A Book on Non sectarian politics

                                      

                           A critical look at Parti Gerakan Rakyat Malaysia

For 2 years before the election on March 8, I have been telling people that BN was in for a beating. I got this from my patients of course. As a doctor with patients from all walks of life, from the hawkers in Pudu to the rich from Bangsar, from the kacang putih sellers to company directors, they all told me one thing when we discussed about Malaysia…. That they would vote the other way as they became disenchanted with the race politics and the abuses and arrogance of the ruling elites.

Came March 8 and BN suffered a real beating… lost the popular votes in Peninsular Malaysia, lost 5 of the most developed states to opposition and if not for the votes from East Malaysia, it would have even lost the right to form the Federal Government.

One of the component parties that lost almost completely is Parti Gerakan, a party with a Non -Sectarian ideology and was once a promising opposition party with the potential of going far. It was also one of the few , besides UMNo, to rule a State, Penang.

Gerakan was once full of promises and was one of the few truly non racial parties in the late sixties and seventies. How did it sink to so low? Many of us would like to find  out the causes.

So the recent launching of a book ” NonSectarian Politics in Malaysia, the case of Parti Gerakan rakyat Malaysia”, by political analyst Khoo Kay Peng, a dear friend of this blogger, and Dr Neil Khor, a Cambridge graduate, was timely..

This book takes a critical look at the party, tracing the formation of the party through the years of growth till the events resulting in the complete annihilation in Penang.

The authors dwell into the factors that contributed to the dismay performance, and argue that although UMNO and BN were partly to be blamed, the main reason is internal. The party has, while being in the BN coalition which is mainly race based, become subservient to UMNo and gradually lost its vision of a multiracial and non sectarian political party. Internal “eunuch politics’ , coined by this blogger and mentioned in the book, served to weaken the party further and power became concentrated in the hands of a few power brokers surrounding the president, which led to a form of politics of patronage. Ultimately, this eunuch politics led to, in the words of the authors, the castration of the party, and the party became very inert and only yes men were rewarded with positions and appointment, and dissenting voices critical of the party and party direction were often marginalised.

The book also gives an insider view of  the Penang Chief Minister’s Issue and how Penang voters became totally disenchanted with the bickering and backstabbing , leading to the total loss in Penang.

Overall, this is a very good book, well written, and with extensive interviews of the personalities in the party such as Tun DR Lim Chong EU, Dr Toh Kin Woon and so on, this is an accurate account of what has transpired in the party.

This is a must read for any one interested in nonsectarian politics.

The book is available in all MPH stores, The official launching in Penang will be on the 31th July 4pm at E&O hotel.

There will be a launching in Kuala Lumpur later on, and I will keep you all posted on this.

Further info can be obtained here:

http://khookaypeng.blogspot.com/2008/07/book-launch.html

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74 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. darcwil
    Jul 19, 2008 @ 13:37:17

    “Since PAS and UMNO have started talking…I think its time for Gerakan and DAP to start talking too…after all talk is cheap”

    What’d you think Dr Hsu? 🙂 Supposedly they are both a “multi racial party” so why not sit down and talk? Politician-sized egos perhaps?

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  2. monsterball
    Jul 19, 2008 @ 15:12:00

    PAS is talking about Malays with UMNO.
    What should DAP and Gerakan talk about?
    Gerakan should close shop and simply announce all will join up DAP.That may sound sensible.
    But then..how many Malays member do the really have?
    You see…it is the Malays that will swing the votes…to where they feel correct.
    Now that PAS and UMNO are talking…it is signaling..both parties are racialists….and that may swing more votes to keDAILan and even to DAP…as more and more Malays are supporting..a Malaysia for Malaysians.
    But if what is suggested….that DAP and Gerakan…sit and talk..it is telling the Malay voters…DAP is also a racialist party….which they are not so…but never had any chance to prove it big..like now.
    For 50 years DAP have never a chance to prove they are not a racialist party. Now the time….at Penang…is a good start…and looks like Malacca…Sarawak…Negri…are all ready to trust DAP.
    Anyone uttering the name of Gerakan…..equal to DAP or keDAILan…treating it…as if…Gerakan is so important ..is day dreaming.
    I wonder why…but no harm..go dream your foolish dream….ignoring the many sins they have committed…as lap dog of UMNO..making Malaysians suffer in silence.
    Why was this idea not suggested 10 years ago?
    Better still…why was it not suggested…before 12th election? If they did team up..I am sure DAP will give Penang to Gerakan..to manage. DAP is not power crazy…but crazy to fight corruptions and want democratic country.
    You see..after UMNO and BN lost so much…and here comes…such suggestions. This will never benefit People’s Party. Why such foolish idea?
    If Gerakan can be running dogs of UMNO….for so long…at least do the right… decent thing now…by closing shop….and join keDAILan or DAP.
    So simple.yet time and time again…outcome a sarcastic… man….taking foolish things.

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  3. Dr Hsu
    Jul 19, 2008 @ 16:40:54

    After March 8, it is proven that non racial politics can be acceptable to the Majority race, our Malay brothers. Many Malays voted for DAP and many chinese voted for PAS.

    As I have repeatedly said, our Malay brothers have nothing to lose. Being the majority race, they can actually try to make nonracialism work. Just try it for one or 2 terms. If after 2 terms, they feel that nonracial policies are no good, they , being the majority can always choose the narrow race based politics again, since in this country, we practice one man one vote system which favours the majority race.

    But i am sure once they have tried the fair and equal way for everyone, they would not want to go back to the race based politics of UMNO, which benefited only the UMNOPutras and not the common people in the streets.

    PAS is wrong to talk to UMNO. What PAS should do is to make sure that the five states under PAkatan perform well. If these 5 states can prove that non racial poltics can work well, it will force UMNO and BN to change into a non racial entity…ANd real reform can start.

    UMNO is weak and that is why they want to talk to PAS. BUt PAS is theorectically a nonrace party. It should not have talks with those race based party about dominance of any race over others . Just think that if UMNO is strong , would they want to talk to PAS? PAS should instead try to consolidate and strengthen non race politics in the country.

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  4. pohwatchdog
    Jul 19, 2008 @ 22:17:19

    Gerakan should wakeup from the mistakes that had make during the 12th General election. What changes have Pakatan Raya
    have offered to the rakyat? They only got together for their selfish interest. Look at the appointment of councillors in Perak. What an MP so keen to be a councillor? Are he not serving the rakyat as a MP? The promises that Pakatan Raya promise remain a empty promise.

    Gerakan will be still relevant if it offer hope for the rakyat if given another chance. What the rakyat want is better qualities of life, proper alternative social development, infrastructure, environment concern, efficiency in governance and management of resourse? What we got is still the worse from Pakatan Raya?

    The most important things for GERAKAN is to get it image right and gain the confidence to carry out their service to the rakyat. They need to enlist capable, dedicated and committed grassroot leaders to understand the feelings of the people. We need to formulate those feeling into policy. We don’t half past six policies and continue our Gerakan struggle to win back the lost ground.

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  5. pohwatchdog
    Jul 19, 2008 @ 22:17:48

    Gerakan should wakeup from the mistakes that had make during the 12th General election. What changes have Pakatan Raya
    have offered to the rakyat? They only got together for their selfish interest. Look at the appointment of councillors in Perak. What an MP so keen to be a councillor? Are he not serving the rakyat as a MP? The promises that Pakatan Raya promise remain a empty promise.

    Gerakan will be still relevant if it offer hope for the rakyat if given another chance. What the rakyat want is better qualities of life, proper alternative social development, infrastructure, environment concern, efficiency in governance and management of resourse? What we got is still the worse from Pakatan Raya?

    The most important things for GERAKAN is to get it image right and gain the confidence to carry out their service to the rakyat. They need to enlist capable, dedicated and committed grassroot leaders to understand the feelings of the people. We need to formulate those feeling into policy. We don’t want half past six policies and continue our Gerakan struggle to win back the lost ground.

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  6. songsong
    Jul 19, 2008 @ 23:06:46

    No way Msia can progress further base on present race based political parties !

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  7. romerz
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 02:27:30

    Bought the book yesterday and will be attending the launch in Penang on 31 July.

    Doc, do you think the CWC members each have a copy? I’m not saying that the book contains ‘gospel’ for Gerakan (since I’ve only covered 2 chapters) but at least it will expose them to views other than those from within.

    I’m thinking here that maybe I can get a few friends to support providing each and every member of the CWC a copy.

    How many copies is that? 30?

    At RM28/- per copy X 30 = RM840/-

    Hmmm. I think I can swing that or failing which I can at least sponsor half.

    Let me know please Doc.

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  8. jeffq
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 03:10:05

    Monsterball, Gerakan just don’t seem to understand it has been rejected by penangites in 12th election, its continues to “kow toi” master umno in public is flatly disgusting in the eye of Malaysians. why is that their leaders are so “rock headed” or they just too “idiotic” to understand that? Just dismantle the party, stop supporting umnoputra racists in persecuting non -malay citizens probably will make them relevant in Malaysia’s history book or they too eager to please the master at whatever costs..

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  9. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 05:51:47

    Yes Jeffq.
    So is pohwatchdog.

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  10. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 06:03:18

    A lot of Buddhists really do not know what Buddhism is. They just copy and apply.
    Why do Buddhist burn chop sticks?
    Do Buddhists pray to many Gods?
    I think this is a much more meaningful book for all to read…even by non Buddhists…than any political book.
    Politics sucks!!
    The late Dr.Dhammannada wrote….
    “What Buddhists Believe”….a book translate into more than 12 languages.and worldwide recognized.
    I will give 100 of this book FOC.
    It’s not a free publication.
    I have to buy them….not cheap too…to give to you all.
    So how to get it to all of you?
    Doc…any idea?

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  11. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 06:06:58

    Doc clinic should be….partly.. converted …to be a book distributor…..hahahahahahaha

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  12. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 07:20:20

    hi guys/gals….go to “Calling for an independent investigating team” site…and give your opinions.
    It is about your future.
    Be brave and speak out….for or against.
    Love to get few Muslims opinions….in english…please.

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  13. Jeff
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 08:54:03

    Here is a good one for everyone – M.A.H.A.T.H.I.R
    = Make Anwar Homosexual And Then Highlight It Repeatedly.

    Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, Toaist, Confusious, are all great religionsn teaching , people of these faiths are GOD fearing people who are facing political persecution around the world by evil man or woman daily.Any corrupt policy should not be blamed on religion at all.

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  14. Dr Hsu
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 09:37:14

    romerz, I dont think the CWC members or CC members are given the book. I will talk to Kay Peng and revert to u on your generous offer.

    This book in fact is quite critical of the past and present leadership… Good for the leaders to read how the public are viewing them, and how to really change and reform…. Unless UMNO abandons the skewed NEP and money politics, there is really no place for Gerakan to remain in BN…. the next round, they will be gone..

    I hope the people up there can see the light through this book…Criticism helps us to improve..

    Thanks in advance

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  15. Dr Hsu
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 09:45:29

    romerz, I have spoken to Khoo Kay Peng, the author and former Gerakan think tank. He welcomes the idea and thank you in advance.

    I will email his handphone no to you. He is inviting u ot the launch. Just mention Romerz and my name.

    You can probably get the books at the launch andKay peng could arrange to distriubute to the cc members.

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  16. Justin Choo
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 10:04:12

    Aiyoh Dr Hsu & Romerz,

    CWC (whoever they are) no money to buy the book ah? Please go give your money to worthwhile charity.

    Monsterball,
    If you are serious to donate this title, Some jails in USA are requesting for them. If you are interested please let me know.

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  17. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 10:38:31

    Sure I mean every word I said.
    Give me your address and I will get Buddhist Vihara guy….to post the books to you. How many?
    Mind you,.,.,.,.,.it will cost alot..to post to USA.
    That I also willing to bear. You tell me how much…..all taken cared for.

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  18. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 10:46:30

    Or better still….You contact Rev.Ratana.
    Tell him S.S.Goh want to donate
    “What Buddhists Believe” books to some USA jails and give him the full address….and let them post directly.
    I will contact him…if you agree.
    Please let me speak to him first…..if you agree…otherwise.. he will be confused.

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  19. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 10:52:19

    I wonder Khoo Kay Peng… is he the son of Khoo Soo Lay….a Seremban OCBC bank manager.

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  20. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 12:33:18

    Justin…I think the book is available in Penang,….right?
    Can you get the Buddhist Missionary Society in Penang and you deal directly with them?
    You can email Doc…give him your full name and address and the total cost…and I can post a cheque to settle with you.
    How’s that sound?

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  21. Justin Choo
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 14:21:08

    Dr Hsu,

    Sorry, your blog has become a Buddhist Book distribution blog!! Monsterball just refuses to go to my Buddhist blog.

    Monsterball,

    I know of one very reliable person in KL doing this distribution. He is also from Penang. (Hey Penang lang ka liao u seh, ko ho liau, including you and Dr Hsu!) I just contacted him to print dhamma books in memory of my mother. Can I ask him to contact you direct?

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  22. Dr Hsu
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 15:43:04

    monsterball, it is good to distribute religious books. ya, i am more than willing to help.

    Khoo Kay Peng is a young man from Penang. He is not the banker Khoo Kay Peng. They are 2 different persons.

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  23. darcwil
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 16:45:07

    😉 Dr Hsu, probably PAS was being wrong in the first place to even “join” Pakatan Rakyat! What relevance is their slamic party with Malaysian Malaysia? That IS one horrible wrong wrong strategy I feel. But oh well, probably PAS “realising” their mistake or something, that is why they are talking with UMNO? lol

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  24. A true Malaysian
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 16:51:38

    I can understand Gerakan was (not is) sort of ‘sentimental’ to ‘Penang Lang’. My friends from Penang used to tell me they will vote BN (ie Gerakan, MCA and Umno) for state seats and vote DAP for National seats.

    Here we can see the change of hearts amongst Penang voters during the last GE. What causes this change of hearts? Many people know why except Gerakan leaders. Perhaps this book of Khoo Kay Peng touches more on this.

    To me, once Penang people lose faith on Gerakan, that’s it, Gerakan will be gone forever and it has no hope in other parts of Malaysia.

    Gerakan can only survive, if it is opt out of BN. There is no point staying on with BN as Umno, being a racist party, regard Gerakan a Chinese party. Just see how they allocate seats in Penang, which splitting up Chinese majority seats in Penang amongst MCA and Gerakan, which allows Umno plays the ‘trump card’ in forming the State government. Such tactic of seat allocation is sort of ‘intimidation’ to Penang people.

    So, in hindsight, Gerakan, a multiracial ideology party, has in fact made a serious mistake in joining BN when it captured Penang last time. This has resulted in Gerakan under the control of Umno and without they knowing, forgot about its multiracial ideology.

    On the other hand, Gerakan got themselves to blame. The party under LKY has curtailed healthy competition for the top post in excuse of ‘unity’. Elections for top posts were deferred not in accordance with its constitution.

    Well, I still hope Gerakan will be re-invented somehow, at least we Malaysians have more choices when come to General Elections. But, just do us a favour, ie be multiracial, and we Malaysians will return your favour in due course.

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  25. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 17:17:50

    Justin …I am only interested in promoting ‘What Buddhists Believe” book by Dr.Dhammananda and not sponsor anyone…printing Buddhist books.
    So get the said book to USA jail house….of which I gave you twp options….for your conveniences.
    Lets keep it simple….and don’t give me another proposal….okay?
    Doc…I have one for you. I got your address and will hand deliver to you,…next week.
    Sure….both of us can decide….if this book is worth distributing to others……especially non Buddhists…….after you have read it.

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  26. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 17:28:53

    darcwel….politics is no holy holy.
    Sometimes…it is a marriage for conveniences.
    It is how sincere that marriage is…..that matters.
    Everyone knows….DAP and PAS are like a dog and cat….but sometimes..they do combine ……for the love of the country…..and for advantages….they think each may gain….to each his own ways.
    PAS is infact…having internal problems….with Hadi Awang and against Nik and Husam.
    Hadi Awang is a pain in th arse for PAS. Everyone knows that….but whether PAS and UMNO so call meet …means anything ….no big deal.
    PAS will be the ultimate looser….if they try to withdraw from People’s Party. keDAILan is just waiting for PAS wrong move.
    But lets not speculate…as Hadi Awang is a fanatic .religious nut…and he is shaming PAS..all these years.
    If you feel happy for UMNO…go ahead.

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  27. monsterball
    Jul 20, 2008 @ 22:19:24

    darcwil also love to be an instigator…to support Gerakan talk to DAP.
    If his wish come true….DAP is an idiot party.
    DAP is riding sky high. Gerakan is dead!! How many times must I repeat this?
    If this line of thoughts are encouraged..and supported by anyone…it only mean…darcwil will be laughing…and achieved his/her objective and this blog have too many goboloks.
    But since everyone ignored him….no bad…all are plenty smart guys here.

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  28. romerz
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 00:04:32

    Thanks Dr Hsu,

    I’ll await your email and then arrange something with Khoo Kay Peng this coming week.

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  29. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 00:41:31

    I got f..ed by a roach at romerz blog.
    I promised to stay out of it.
    I will keep my promise.
    You know me…I love a battle…regardless from a roach…a hantu…a dog….or a devil in disguise.

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  30. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 09:48:02

    In 1970…National..Phillips…Sony..including Jebsen & Jessen was conned by a Penang TV dealer. I managed to trace where he lived.
    He told me to meet him..at Butterworth..to settle matters.
    What he had…were 5 gangsters.. threatening me.
    I challenged them..to call all their gangsters and I call mine from Thailand. They shivered..and agreed to return all goods unpaid.
    I was to fly back…after getting all goods back. Missed the flight…and that plane crashed at near Rawang. So many of my friends died.
    So this tiny roach at romerz blog..better know .who is he talking to.
    But then…in blogging….most are faceless and nameless..talking big…with no balls..how to confront them?
    So talk love and forgiveness is best.

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  31. jeff
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 09:48:05

    Monsterball, i tend to agree with your assessment Gerakan is not fighting for the betterment of Malaysia for all Malaysians, instead the leaders are fighting for self enrichment and high political office, but manage to mislead Malaysians especially Penangites for a long time, especially on issue like fair education, housing, civil service employment and government contract procurement. Most of them are in favor of Chinese only and not Malaysians at large.

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  32. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 10:56:41

    Yes Jeff…Penanites have their good and bad points.
    While they are the only one with Malacca ..fighting for Chinese rights…they also fight for their own selfish rights.
    Believe me…in the early 70’s…..Penang businessmen cannot be trusted. So many con cases..and they are welknown gamblers…also teaming up….to con victims.
    Businessmen like me….use to sit amongst ourselves…and compared notes…about each town..cities…people…and Penang came out….to to top of the list….must be very careful and not be greedy in business.
    Johore Baru.. came top of the list.love buying cheap stuffs…ignoring service after sales.
    But few Johore small towns are real nice to deal with.
    Ipoh was a city..full of hair saloons..set up by filthy rich sons…just to enjoy themselves.
    They also set up trading shops….and if they like you….your life in Ipoh is paradise…they will buy and pay……and you just enjoy…but you need to also spend a bundle….no foc hair cut or massages. They love to drink beer..day and night.
    Malacca..too poor to start anything.
    I love Penang food and sceneries…keep going there with my whole family for school holidays….all contented…they head home…I go to hatyai alone……hahahahahahaha
    I have visited Hatyai not less than 50 tines..and Bangkok..more than 15 times..yet I cannot speak Thai.
    Now I focus on volcano villages..so clean..so fresh. You will be totally surprise..so modern…you can get anything you want…..plus old still remain….like horse and carriage…trishaw pullers.
    So cheap …and rich …in Indonesia.
    Ofcourse….I have new found good friends..all Javanese….no Chinese. They treat me like one of their own.
    Life goes on…how long…only God knows.
    For me..once see Malaysia completely manage by People’s Party….I am contended.
    Until then..f..k Gerakan…MCA and MIC.

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  33. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 11:27:54

    It will be a battle between the “HAVES”..{UMNO} and the “HAVE NOTS”..[People’s Party}
    The “HAVES” stole our money by the billions…not to help Malays….but to enrich themselves…their relatives and chosen friends….so very clear…under TDM’s years as PM.
    He is the only one..dared to take more than RM1 billion from Petronas..to bail out his son.
    If he was not a Dictator…what do you call that?
    And where was Gerakan?
    Romerz can be my good trusted friend….if he supports any opposition party..and contribute to the betterment of Penang’s future.
    The problem is…he may have too many terms and conditions…to opposition party…that will be rejected.

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  34. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 12:11:28

    Jeff….You are getting plenty smart by the minute!
    Now…lets see who are true Malaysians…besides “true malaysian” comentator…saying he is only 10% true.
    What is this?
    I am getting groggy.

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  35. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 12:22:45

    But this I know….”true malaysian” commentator is a true malaysian. He is humble. I met him…and we sized each other up…for more than two hours.
    We took a liking to each other….but his reserved attitude will not reveal his true self.
    I wonder how long did he take…to tackle the woman…who is now his wife.
    Me…few minutes!!! That’s why I divorced three times…fast come..fast go….hahahahahaha
    To each his own…..so far …so good…for me…as I do not hurt nor cheat nor con anyone.
    Yet some cheaters are healthy and well…and seems to defy deaths..few times over.
    This is the deeper part of TRUTHS…I have yet to learn from Buddhism…..although…basically…I know why.

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  36. jeff
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 14:21:52

    monsterball, as you know, for an old man who grown up in malaysia i managed to learn so much about umno dirty trade skill, it is very hard not to be smart.

    See these umnoputra insisting to give so much interest free business,education n housing loans to bumiputra borrowers, allowing to go into default, then want to give them some more n more of free money, all these are done not because of their love for Malay, but because much of the money go into umnoputra multi-naional businesses n owned corporations,
    like a shark taking in all the ikan bilis, with never ending supply of cheap money from our national resources.

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  37. A true Malaysian
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 16:33:34

    I found this comment by ‘Melayu Baru’ in Kickdefella blog. I am impressed and thought that this should be shared here:-

    Hakikatnya, memang Umno sudah berada di kancah tumbang. Adalah benar :-

    PAS bukan party Melayu kerana ianya berteraskan dengan ajaran Islam yang sebenarnya. Bukan macam Umno dimana ianya sembahyang 5 kali sehari, tetapi rasuah masih diambilnya selepas sembahyang (seperti apa yang dihuraikan oleh RPK)

    DAP bukan party orang Cina kerana ianya benci rasuah and ketidaktelusan dan ketidaka-adilan dalam policy Umno. DAP memang ada hati rakyat, kalau tidak, mengapa Lim Guan Eng masuk penjara semata-mata untuk menolong seorang gadis Melayu? Orang ramai tersalah anggap DAP party orang Cina kerana niat jahat Umno yang kelabui mata-mata kita. Dengan adanya internet, orang ramai pun sedar akan niat jahat Umno ini.

    PKR, walaupun terdiri daripada ramai ahli lama Umno, tetapi ahli-ahli lama ini sudah sedar polici-polici Umno sebenarnya tidak membantu orang Melayu dengan cara yang betul, cuma ‘cantik’ dilihat, tetapi dalamnya ‘kosong’. Jadi, ramai orang Melayu bandar sudah sedar ‘kena tipu’ dan faham akan keharmonian dan maju negara yang ‘benar’, bukan ’superficial’. Jadi, PKR adalah party yang teraskan ‘Keadilan’.

    Oleh itu,

    PAS – teraskan nilai tulin Islam
    DAP – teraskan nilai-nilai murni seperti ketelusan, benci rasuah dan menjaga
    hak-hak orang Malaysia, sepertimana yang Lim Guan Eng kata ‘CAT’
    PKR – teraskan keadilan, keharmonian dan maju negara yang ‘benar’, bukan ’superficial’.

    sebenarnya adalah sama dengan nilai-nilai murni ‘Universal’ tidak kira kaum dan agama.

    Jadi, mengapa Umno masih mahu ‘api-apikan’ PAS-DAP-PKR ? Kerana ianya sudah hampir ‘hangus’.

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  38. Y C Chai
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 17:34:31

    I may not think Khoo Kay Peng is a brilliant political analyst, but i must congratulate him for producing this book through patient and hard work. Rightly or wrongly, i found most of the previous political titles published locally(be it in English or Chinese) are of shallow analysis. No offend to Mr Khoo, as i have yet to get a copy of this book.

    My take is Gerakan can never reinvent itself to become relevant again. The reasons may be over simplistic but is for you to rationalize and judge. 1. No way it can become a multiracial party as it first formed some 40 years ago. 2. It has run out of capable leaders due to its size and hence its share of government posts. In short no more attraction to associate with. 3. Its core principles or objective has faded beyond recognition by the mass public except those few learned members. 4. Lost of its last jewel crown, Penang. What is there left to be desired. 5. Change of political landscape post 308 further eroded its little attraction due to the emergence of PKR.

    We shall see no more Gerakan in 5 years time. I hope my guess is wrong. What’s your prediction, Doc?

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  39. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 17:39:00

    yes yes yes…what you say Doc?

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  40. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 17:49:23

    me say…Y C Chai ..plenty smart too.
    me say..his guess….no wrong la
    me say……5 years are just struggling….from drowning…asking for help from UMNO ….that’s all they can do.
    They are big time hypocritical crooks……..since Lim Kheng Yiak took over.
    Gone case la….Doc.
    Admit it fast……so we speak no more about Gerakan!!!
    Now PAS main belakang People’s Party??

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  41. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 18:00:47

    Actually Doc hates Gerakan…..hahahahahaha
    He is now thinking and thinking how to twist and turn..apply the art to agree and disagree or vice versa.
    After a hard day…seeing so many patients…he just cured and charged them…like hell…he will bathe…play his grand piano…thinking and thinking…how not to disappoint romerz too..with a response to Y C Chai.
    But I think romerz is reading and keeping quiet and …to finally burst out…..”I saw the light!! Yes….Gerakan is shit party. Thank God..I did not waste too much time with them!”
    I hope my guess is right.

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  42. Justin Choo
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 18:13:51

    Monsterball is like the Energizer Advert.

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  43. pohwatchdog
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 21:17:01

    Look at what DAP doing around after given a chance to govern. Bickering, backstabbing and grabbing public office for themselves. Are they really sincere to serve the public? What the heck with a MP holding another post as Ipoh councillor? Is really DAP lack of competent, capable and dedicated member? Look monsterball, Gerakan have nor lose his ideal for a fair and just society. Gerakan need outspoken, capable and courage leader to speak up for the people. Time will tell us that Gerakan will emerge stronger after this political tsunami. Afterall the goodwill votes and loyal supporters will continue their struggle to uphold Gerakan ideology. Gerakan still have many soldiers to soldier on and continue to serve the people whereever in rural area, city, town and flat. Have Gerakan really forgo it members?

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  44. monsterball
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 21:34:59

    hahahahahaha….I was waiting patiently for Doc’s response to Y C Chai…here come my nightmare!!
    Luckily I had a nice dinner.
    Surely full moon is near…as his message is getting more and more weird….no one can understand……illogical…..trying to be a fortune teller….with full of shit.
    Pohwatchdog….is really a god..I mean dog.

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  45. jeff
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 22:51:01

    Monsterball , how can a god become a dog so quickly? He must have wear his pant and shirt up side down thinking Penagites will vote for an incompetent, incapable, and not dedicated party for Penang, is he behind time or wrote in passed time? One whose dream make him believe that Gerakan is ordained by divine power to govern Penang soon, no doubt he is really brilliant!!!!!lol

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  46. Dr Hsu
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 23:17:51

    Y C Chai, Your analysis is quite to the point. It is really difficult for Gerakan to be relevant again unless it really goes back to its basic. Which means going back to its ideology, advocating a fair and equal society.

    That is the only hope the party has. The party has many grassroots members who are really dedicated and selfless and not in agreement with the rotten policies of the ruling coalition. I have mentioned many times, Gerakan’s National delegates conference is like UMNO bashing meeting, with most of the grassroots vvery critical .

    The ideology and the whole party was literally hijacked by certain leaders with the help of their eunuchs. Many grassroots including this blogger has been voicing out so critically about the association with UMNO. If UMNO is rotten, why should Gerakan be still with UMNO? But you must understand most of the grassroots have no interest for going for [positions and so on. They are just volunteers who wanted a platform to speak out against issues… SO they are really not organised in any move to get the leadership back to its basic..

    In fact many have asked the party leaders to bring the party out of the coalition many months before the GE.. Even back in 1990, there were thinking to opt out of the coalition.

    Most of the party leaders are clean. Most of the grassroots love the party and do not ask for anything in return.

    This forms a good basis for any political party. If only the party can go back to its ideology, and abandon race based partners, then i think there is still hope.

    As regards Monsterball’s comments, I have never ‘twist and turn’. … I am always a straight person, always adhere to my belief and ideology of a fair and equal society….. I have always spoken out in the NDC ( 2 of the occassions are found in the videowhich I have posted), bashing the policies publicly in occasions that are monitored by the govenrment and the press…

    I join the party only in recent yrs at an advanced age of almost 50 ( iam 55 now), just to have a platform to argue for the ideology of a fair and equal society…..When I joined the party, I already have few houses, and I stayed in one with a big garden, with basketball court , fish ponds and so on… When I joined the party,2 of my children are already doing medicine overseas,( and even though my children are all straight As, I ask them not to apply for scholarships so as to let someone who cannot afford to get the scholarship since I can afford their education). and now one is working as a consultant in Johns Hopkins, and one is finishing her final yr in Auckland and going to AUstralia next year to work….

    I am one of the few that can speak out without any worry because I do not need anything from the party, I do not kow tow to anyone in the leadership, I have no leash over my neck, and I speak my mind whenever I meet up with leadership to sort of lecture them on fair and equal society…. I am sort of a thorn in the flesh, but to their credits, many party leaders tolerated me and my neck was still intact… If I am in MCA or some other party, I could have been asked to leave the party… For your info, I have also turned down positions offered to me and ‘pingats’ offered to me… Ask Gerakan members in KL and all can tell you what sort of a person I am…I prefer to remain as an ordianry grassroots where I can criticise without fear or favour…

    In a nutshell, I think Gerakn’s only hope is to leave the coalition…. ONly then can it rethink its direction and rebuild and reform around its ideology…

    My vision is to have a fair society where the rich helps the poor, the better off helps the not so well off, where everyone can work together regardless of race or creed… A society that excels on excellence… a society that is caring … a society that obeys the rule of law and not rule by ‘men’…

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  47. petestop
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 23:53:11

    I was attracted to Dr Hsu’s blog here post the 8 March election, as I was interested in Gerakan’s activities post 308.

    During that time found that Gerakan’s ideology links to a “blank” page. That it takes so long to rectify that page, speaks a lot of Gerakan’s ideology or lack of.

    One thing have always found Dr Hsu to be consistent in his views.

    In fact, many of the commentators here are fairly consistent in the views

    Like Mr pohwatchdog is always snapping at DAP, for reason only known to him.
    Whether he actually knows the DAP rep personally or not to make such uncalled for accusations, is irrelevant in his mind. He just wants to snap snap away.
    It is actually very similar to the politics of Keng Yaik’s days… a lot of snapping… no substance.

    One thing certain is that DAP has been highly visible in standing up for basic principles of a fair and equitable society in Malaysia, based on their ideology of democratic socialism.
    The same ideology that Gerakan is suppose to be founded on, but never seen to be practised, or rather, they are reduced to become beggar politicians, which for once, I agreed with Keng Yaik.

    On the other hand Gerakan has always been seen as a party that kowtows to U Must Not Object as their political master.
    The last thing Penangites will ever accept is a UMNO Chief Minister.

    Was at the Bon Odori festivities in Penang Esplanade last weekend. Saudara LGE was there to officiate, did’nt pay much attention to the speech due to the lousy PA, but did notice him mentioning and giving credit to Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu and Emperor Akihito as 2 surviving personalities granted the “Freeman” status.

    To this day he still command respect among those who still remembers, including DAP supporters.

    Now, do Gerakan have leadership of Chong Eu’s stature to make drastic changes to ensure it remains relevant ?

    I would vote for Dr Hsu !

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  48. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 00:25:13

    In the view of my own lens, i actually did see that a third force is emerging after recent election in compete against racist bigotry force n religion radical force, seem like majority of Malaysians are waken up to a certain degree for a moderate political modal based solely on looking after the interest of Malaysians rather than race or religion of the population of the majority.

    This progressive n pragmatic section of Malaysians finally stand up and voice out, reclaim their natural n legal rights in their birth nation without fear or favor for a better Malaysia. This moderate and righteous force is slowly gaining momentum among many Malaysians.

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  49. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 00:58:42

    To true Malaysian: the view of Malay especially “kampong” folks on non-malay and other political parties other than UMNO is mainly shaped and molded through main stream media controlled by umno-BN in B.M version,TV1, 2 etc. As you probably know, umno- BN has vast arsenal of propaganda machines at their disposal in Malaysia.
    You should not be surprised UMNO-BN way of mind control technique and fear mongering messages is no where near third world country standard.

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  50. romerz
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 01:39:32

    I will keep my words to a minimum since they always seem to attract attacks.

    To institute change, you must have some form of power. The middle ground is wide open for good, honest AND also pragmatic men and women to create a society as envisioned by Dr Hsu.

    A society which regards all Malaysians irrespective of race, religion and gender as precious children of the nation.

    The pursuit of the 3rd alternative is not so much an opportunistic pursuit of power but to be in a position to heal the country and take it to greater heights.

    The left, middle and the right each have their respective roles to play. The left and right already exists and are at each other’s throats.

    It is time for the middle to step forth and bridge the divide.

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  51. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 02:08:39

    Malay is “lazy”, Chinese is “greedy”, Indian is “sneaky”, Malaysian is “crazy” but “sexy”. Which one is your choice , Monsterball?

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  52. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 03:04:23

    Middle road is good…when we have given people’s Party..say 10 years opportunity to manage the country.
    Middle road is bullshit now.. because…it is already suggested even before People’s Party have ever tasted power.
    Suggesting middle road…to my opinion…..is an idea from Gerakan active member…trying to ask Malaysians…accept middle road idea…so who will fit in t??? Why…one and only Gerakan…if they ever pull out.
    Middle road is suggested as a fore running idea ..to save Gerakan.
    Malaysians should becarfeul.
    This is brainwashing dirty selfish idea…from Gerakan active member.
    We have our daily problems and don’t need smart alexes to teach us middle roads politics.
    Middle road is good for religions.
    Using “middle road” … is one way…to play dirty tricks to Malaysians. All love to travel.the middle road in religion….so use it .to save Gerakan.
    IT WILL NOT WORK!!
    Yes..keep it simple…..for or against.
    For People’s Party or for UMNO.

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  53. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 03:43:46

    Now to answer Doc’s comment….straight to the point.
    All of you nice guys from Gerakan…….please join keDAILan.
    They need all the good people from Gerakan.
    One by one….active powerful leaders from Gerakan and MCA are resigning…signaling…..joining one of the oppositions parties.
    Again I repeat…who does not love to travel the….middle road in life?
    So Doc….don’t be sucked up by Gerakan’s propaganda work.
    No use to tell us how many good straight forward members Gerakan have. I believe in that statement sincerely.
    I am sure…MCA have ten times more members…..same like you ….do not depend on positions…do not want any posts in the party..but want to be a member…to have a voice.
    Lets consider many of your voices…spoken…not heeded..bad luck for Gerakan.
    But I think…if they still manage Penang today…you will be given warning letter…to toe the line…or resign.
    But instead…..you are now given positions.you declined.
    You know why….don’t you.
    They have no more leaders..so seeking new ones.
    Gerakan and MCA blatant corrupted parties in BN….selling Chinese rights and freedom…for personal gains.
    Lets say..you all ordinary members have been blind and mislead…..but Gerakan is a traitor to the Chinese. Chances after chances given.
    So now….you think they deserve anymore chance…Doc?
    Gerakan is balls carrying UMNO.
    Votes have spoken……loud and clear….but not loud enough..to form a new government.
    No middle road!! It is…for or against.
    Dirty politics …by UMKNO and BN..still very much alive..
    Garakan must be buried.
    They asked for it.
    Give them a chance ..and who gets weaken……DAP….keDAILan… or Gerakan….you tell me.
    Sure DAP and keDAILan.?
    Who thought out this smart “middle road” idea….so appealing to human’s way of life in religions.
    Fall into this trap…Gerakan will be te most powerful party in Malaysia.
    Do Gerakan thinks…. Malaysians are idiots?
    Is that …not a sickening …sly fox idea from Gerakan?
    MIDDLE ROAD……you say?
    Why….bless all that travel that path in your daily life…but don’t fall into the trap of Gerakan…..while you are seeking peace and happiness.
    See….how powerful… the word….”Middle Road” is?
    BECAREFULL!!

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  54. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 03:50:43

    Jeff…..I am….who I am.
    Have you see…”Ten Commandments ” movie?
    So now you know….who I am……..hahahhahahaha

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  55. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 04:05:17

    And I am self appointed…like so many millions…to pave the way …for Anwar to be PM.
    We will fight them from the air…fight them from the sea..fight them from the ground.
    We will never surrender the middle ground….to selfish..evil minded stooges…..hahahahahahaha

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  56. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 04:08:56

    I now explain and clear your minds.
    But one will come after me….so mighty and powerful…to free you all.
    Who am I trying to be…..jeff?
    Choose…Moses….Churchill or John the Baptist?……hahahahahahaha

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  57. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 05:09:13

    Malaysians!!
    Don’t let the sentence.. “MIDDLE GROUND” or ‘MIDDLE ROAD”…subconsciously program you to accept such an idea in politics……..as once you accept it..then Gerakan will pull out from BN……and look for all the “middle” people… to support them.
    Almost all Malaysians love and yearn to travel…the middle road in life. Middle road…is the most powerful doctrine…. in all religions.
    This is a smart idea…by Gerakan…to save themselves.
    Those who propose such an idea are die hard Gerakan member. They surely should be rewarded ..with money and position….if it works.
    Doc Hsu should never be suspected…..as a twister nor one with such…selfish ulterior motives. …to promote Gerakan…..so cunningly. I just irritated and poked fun at him…so that he will speak up. It works!! But he can be a sucker….due to his kind nature in life. One nice day….he will confess…he learn alot….reading my messages.
    I think…it is very clear to all….who is desperately…so concern….so nice….so kind hearted…so loving to all Malaysians……proposing a middle road….to pave the way for Gerakan to be active again…out of BN.
    Once you accept that idea……Geakan will pull out…voted in …..and become the most powerful party in Malaysia.
    Daily I read and read..I am convinced…we do really have a dog….and a smart political guy…..trying so hard to be somebody in Gerakan…..with no love for Malaysians…but love for himself and his expected rewards and position in Gerakan…..if what he proposed …will work.
    Do you all agree?

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  58. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 05:16:13

    Good Morning Doc…. and all!!
    Lets hope you all… read and learn.
    I am not afraid of attacks.
    Truths …always win.
    It’s 2 hours bedtime for me again.
    Hope no dog nightmares….just dreaming of the blue lagoon…me a dictator..captured Doc…playing sweet music for me…while I sip my Campari soda..with two sexy ….???

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  59. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 08:45:30

    Malaysia has three paths in front of her, the right lead to racist bigotry path along umnoputra, the left lead to religion extremism along PAS , the middle path lead to moderation, progress, and prosperity along common value n diversity along “rakyat”, that is my version of “middle ground”. monsterball!

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  60. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 09:17:27

    So your middle path must be People’s Party.
    Now you go and preach that to romerz….and if you can convert him to our middle path…of righteousness…LKY or Anwar may need you…as their promotional manager…and once in power..you should be Min.Of Information.

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  61. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 09:38:15

    You read Doc was offered by Gerakan to be somebody ….and he turned it down?
    But if romerz succeeds..he will be at least the Min.Of Information…as with such great power over People’s Party and UMNO…they cannot refuse anything Gerakan wants. After all…he saved the party. …and being such a corrupted party..few filthy rich guys…..like LKY and Koh…feeling grateful…will donate a bangalow..put RM6miilion in his bank
    {6..chinese luck la}…and provide two well trained nurses to look after his sick parents….so he can keep working with no worries.
    What a wonderful dream…..after few pecks of whiskey.

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  62. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 09:39:00

    Romerz….do you now Saw Lye Huat?

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  63. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 09:46:32

    Are you a man with a monster size ball or a monster with a ball?

    I prefer to let him choose his own destiny instead of trying to convert him, this is a grown up man with a mind of his own, let him keep chasing his dream of keeping umno in line, in control by Gerakan, continue to hold umnoputra’s b*** up high in the air, doing the unfinish business of his party in Penang, no point in doing the impossible.

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  64. A true Malaysian
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 12:16:07

    Jeff,

    I agree with your view on kampong folks especially Malays, are somehow ‘moulded’ by Umno propaganda, but this is more applicable to :-

    a) older generation where they still prefer to live in kampong, and

    b) west coast kampongs (east coast folks are mainly PAS supporters)

    But, migration of the Malay youths to ‘cari makan’ in Klang Valley have to a great extent, broaden their mindset, which I think it is a good development for Malaysia.

    That’s why we can see political ‘tsunami’ in the last GE. Such effect will be even greater if our youths can read and write well in English, which surely will lead them to wider spectrum of internet world.

    It is good if can read and participate in this Dr. Hsu’s Forum.

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  65. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 13:13:25

    True Malaysian seldom disagree….even with romerz.
    What a wonderful Min.Of Diplomacy .we have in Malaysia..with one like him…holding such a ministry.
    But I guess….crooks are all diplomatic. Otherwise..how to con others?
    But not true malaysian.
    He is at least 10% true…..a one giant step to save mankind…so there is hope…for one like him…..to be 100%….hahahahahahaha
    Seriously speaking…True Malaysian writes alot with good commonsense.
    I want requested him to post something in kickdefella’s blog….he responded.
    I thanked him….with the best home made… curry puff found in K.Lumpur. He agreed.
    Then I let him try another style of curry puff…he could not finish…so big!!
    I wonder did he “low sai” that day……..hahahahahahaha

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  66. A true Malaysian
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 14:19:06

    Well, each of us are entitled to our own views. Whether they carry any ‘truth’ in those views are depend on how receptive to others. But again, this ‘receptiveness’ is not important to me as long as I put the views based on ‘clear conscience’.

    I believe Dr. Hsu and other commentators (monterball inclusive) are having the same principle when commenting in this forum. In the case of Dr. Hsu, he has put through his views about Gerakan to the so-called top leaders of Gerakan, though are receptive to me and many commentators here, and yet ‘NOT RECEPTIVE TO TOP GERAKAN LEADERS’.

    If Dr. Hsu’s views were receptive to the so-called leaders, I am quite sure Gerakan will not see such a ‘white-wash’ in the last GE. This is same to MCA as well. So, in hindsight, I can conclude that if these leaders have ‘right frame’ of mine (again, I may be wrong in this), political tsunami will not happen to their parties. Also, you can see why Ong Tee Keat still in parliament though his other comrades collapsed. The reason being that Ong is one of the ‘rare’ righteous mind leader in MCA and BN.

    So, put it this way, if people like Dr. Tan Tee Kwong was nominated in the last GE, I believe he will also be remained as MP.

    In this sense, I believe many of the grassroots members of Gerakan are of the same calibre as Dr. Tan & of course Dr. Hsu. It is just that the so-called ‘top leaders’ not receptive of their views.

    Perhaps both doctors may one day get so disappointed (I think Dr. Tan has given up), and resign from Gerakan. But again, this is their choice.

    To monsterball, I thank his compliments to me but I definitely not interested being appointed a minister of diplomacy. Perhaps I may change my mind in future and get involve in politics, but chances are ‘slim’ as politics in Malaysia are never ‘clean’ and ‘matured’.

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  67. Dr Hsu
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 15:11:29

    a True Malaysian, well said..
    As a doctor, we dont give up even when the patient has only 0.1 % of survival chance, because miracles do happen…

    So the same thing applies to Gerakan, As long as there is hope that it will leave UMNO , I will stick around…to take part in the cure process..no matter how small part that is.

    Dr Tan is a personal friend of mine. In fact i was pulled into the party by his telling me about the ideology and seeing how hard working he was in his constituency..And of course his father Tan Chee Khoon was the idol of many Malaysians including myself.. And being a Penangite, I have respect for Tun Lim CHong Eu and most penangites who had gone thru May 13 in Penang have a special affinity for Gerakan………and all these add up and I decide to join Gerakan to speak on its ideology.

    My feedback from the resident associations in Segambut is that Dr Tan would still win this seat if he was nominated.maybe just scrape through… LIke Ong Tee Keat. Even some voters in BAtu told me that they voted for Tian Chua because Gerakan dropped DR Tan as a candidate…

    Dr Tan was like me, very happy about the 2 party system,hence his acceptance of the offer by Khalid to head a committee in Selangor and in the process , got himself suspended by Gerakan.

    While we wait patiently for a change of government if there is no reform within BN , the change may not come now, but most probably 4 yrs later during the 13th GE.

    So do we just shut up during these 4 yrs and not talk and stop asking the leaders to adopt good policies to help the people? Do we hope that these 4 yrs be spent like the last 4? Everyone will suffer, in that scenerio. Economy will be dead, corruption will be worse. SO we still need to voice out… even though we do not like UMNO and BN.

    So while waiting patiently for the next GE, , I see my role as still needing to voice out about good governance, fair policies etc.
    ]
    even if we can get the present government to change 1 or 2 percents, a lot of people will be beneifted. Blogs do have an influnce on opinions, even though only Zam said only 20000 people read blogs.

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  68. A true Malaysian
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 16:21:26

    Dr. Hsu,

    I can understand the sentimental value that Penangites attached to Gerakan. That is why Gerakan take it for granted this ‘sentimental value’ and as a result, flung in the last GE. So, if Gerakan still not reinvented, I am very sure that will spell the end of Gerakan, and for that matter MCA and MIC.

    I have commented many times that though there are people of ‘righteous’ mind in BN but could not win ‘big’ or even lose in the last GE. These people are ‘victims’ of circumstances where they are subject to ‘gag order’ of Umno (It is not gag order of BN because of Umno dominance, the so-called unity is ‘superficial’).

    I would say the chances of being elected as MP or ADUN will even be higher for these ‘righteous’ leaders if contested as ‘INDEPENDENT’.

    I would suggest people like Dr. Tan Tee Kwong to contest as an independent candidate in future GE, maybe you too, Dr. Hsu.

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  69. Y C Chai
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 17:46:00

    A True Malaysian

    Pardon me for my bluntness, i don’t think our political culture has reach the scale where independent stand a chance to win in election unless he/she is has such a charismatic personality. Just not yet.

    Dr. Tan Kee Kwong may have his political ideals, but he failed to put his ideas across to reach the public like his father Dr Tan Chee Khoon. Hence, he is not perceived as a effective leader.

    Sorry to speak the truth as i see from my from naked eyes. Overall, i still think Gerakan leaders are cleaner than MCA.

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  70. A true Malaysian
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 18:02:25

    YC Chai,

    Quite true, perhaps in future, there will be a party which gather ‘righteous’ minded people which practise non-partisan politics.

    I believe this concept is workable and will attract ‘righteous’ minded people to join in as members. Many of us are sick of this ‘immature’ partisan politics which support their party even though the policy is not equitable.

    With this non-partisan politics party, maybe stand a better chance in GE.

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  71. pohwatchdog
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 20:54:43

    Everyone have their ideal, aspiration and perception in their view. It is diversity in making and the argument is is for us to put our points forward.
    Gerakan still have place in the heart of many die hard grassroot supporters.

    The rakyat had make their votes known in the last GE. We wait and see whether the rakyat will deliver again in the next GE for GERAKAN. Gerakan will move on with it reinvent leaders in the next AGM.
    Gerakan need vision, capable, courage, integrity and sincere leaders to push the party back to greater height. Even PKR, PAS and DAP have their dark hour.

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  72. monsterball
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 22:01:37

    There was such nice and intelligent discussions between…Doc… True Malaysian…and with YC Chai chipping in.
    It only needs a sickening ba…tred dog…to come in and spoil their concentrations.give up..and retire.
    He did that to me many times.
    This dog…..have tape worms attacking the brain….eating filth and shit from the dust bins.
    Hope the “Dark Knight”….come to him….at dark hours….teach him ..to have some manners and respect for the elders.
    I can imagine ….he his scratching like hell every night….have fleas …. all over his filthy dirty body.
    He is a real pain in the arse to all of us.

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  73. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 23:03:51

    True Malaysian: even if all the Malay youths can write n read english, it is not necessary they will discard the effect of a very long term “fear and hate” propaganda idealogy inplanted into their mind since young.

    From the day when they know how to read n talk, they have been told by umno propaganda machines that other Malaysians are “pendatang”, “immigrant”, “Ocuppier”, “Chinaman”, “Indian man”, and various religious n racist term, to discredit non-malay Malaysian natural rights. It has a lot to do with total overhaul of umnoputra perverted idealogy of “race n religion” supremacy and dominance rather than just language alone.

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  74. jeff
    Jul 22, 2008 @ 23:53:30

    Monsterball: Any members of MCA or Gerakan should be let alone to chase his political dream in Malaysia, if he believes in his party political stance n ideology like so n forth stated by DR Hsu, it will be fruitless to try to dictate other wise if one is refusing to gather the past facts and accept the present reality shaped by voters, as we live in a democracy, we should not forget of his right to freedom of choice , speech n association. This type of heavy handed tactic is the sole political copy right of umno in Malaysia, not other like me.

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