Do not cut the nose to spite the face


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There are some suggestions going around blogs that we hang our flags upset down this year for the Merdeka celebration.

I do not agree.

We, as Malaysians, must differentiate between the government and the sovereignty of the country. Just like in a party, we must differentiate between the ideology and the leadership. The government can be worng, corrupt but that does not mean that the country is at fault… The country is bigger and higher than the government which is but just one of the numerous institution of the country. The country is the rakyat, the people; but the government is just merely a representation of the people chosen for the sole purpose of ruling on behalf of the people.

A party ideology can be hijacked by its leadership for its own interest, and it is up to its members to right the wrong and take the party back to its original path..

Similarly, a country can be hijacked by its ruling elites to cater for the self interest of the leadership. But a country’s sovereignty goes higher than just the government and government leaders. The flag, a symbol of this sovereignty, represents not just the government, but the people themselves.

If the government and govenrment policy are not good, it is up to us, the  rakyat, to change them through democratic means.. But to blame it on the flag is like cutting your nose to spite your own face…

I love my country. I love The Flag. I don’t love the government.  I would not celebrate the Merdeka occasion, since there is nothing to celebrte, but I will continue to love this country and the flag.


57 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. folo4
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 12:29:21

    Think of the horrible mess Merdeka will leave!

    last year, EVEN DURING rehearsals, there was RUBBISH everywhere! I thought I was living in a third-world country or something.

    the rubbish will come when Merdeka celebrations come and go.

    And the only one to blame is our primitive brethren and our abysmal morals.

    This sucks.


  2. petestop
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 13:00:04

    Dr Hsu,

    You have impeccable moral compass…. if only most Gerakan leaders are like you…. sigh..


  3. Dr Hsu
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 13:21:17

    petestop, there are many good Gerakan grass roots, ….I am only one small insignificant one trying to voice out to the leadership that they should go back to the ideology…..I just hope that those who have bigger influence will see the point and take the party back to the people… BUt i am getting very tired voicing out….The day i quit, many people will no doubt start rejoicing to have the the thorn pulled out from the flesh…..


  4. A true Malaysian
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 15:14:26

    Dr. Hsu,

    Many people do not think of sovereignty issue when decided to hang Jalur Gemilang ‘upside-down’, I inclusive. What a shame, right?

    I think a lot of us are very fed-up on what is going on in our country, even Regent of Perak commented that Sultans and Rajas are not blind of what is happening in the country.

    Just hope that our leaders will not be so engrossed with fighting for political power until sovereignty of our beloved country is at stake.


  5. jalur gemilang
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 15:27:23


    there are some ppl who had already gave up on the honour of our country.but me and many more Malaysians out there still have not lose faith for the betterment of our country!

    preserve the integrity of our flag!


  6. monsterball
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 15:29:16

    Doc…So glad you agree ..our flag should stay as it is..not upside down.
    Those few pro UMNO bloggers is a sign of distress from Malaysians..and hanging it… upside down…. is not disrespectful.
    What sickos think they are so smart.
    First..fear ..then provocations..not trying to say…. all Malaysians are in distress moods.
    Let me tell them this…it is UMNO distress moods….not Malaysians.
    So if everyone take their advises…it means we are supporting UMNO.
    Why can’t we just don’t celebrate 31st August..Merdeka parade…to show UMNO….we are united….against them.


  7. Justin Choo
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 15:41:29

    I think Monsterball’s idea of not going to the parade will send a shameful message to them. Just imagine no spectators!!

    Dr Hsu,
    I think the day you left Gerakan, will be the beginning of others following your decision. Maybe they are justing waiting for your move.


  8. Dr Hsu
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 15:48:00

    latest from monsterball, penaik beca was arrested last night..?what crime? Seditious Act..

    That is why,dear commentators, when you talk about murder and sodomy or corruption, do not mention names but just use nick name. As commentators, you are also subjected to being arrested and they have a way to find you out when they confiscate computers and trace IP address..


  9. novice101
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 15:51:46

    Hanging the national flag upside down would be degrading our motherland. Surely Malaysians have the good sense to see this would be viewed by people from other nations as an unpatriotic act. The politicians are the ones creating all the mess, if one wants to show dissatisfaction with the state of affairs, then maybe some retailers may want to sell t-shirts with these politicians printed upside down on them.


  10. monsterball
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 16:15:03

    I am….who I am.
    I am not afraid….spreading TRUTHS.
    If they go after all bloggers and commentators…they need a jail house…to hold tens of thousands.


  11. Ko Yem Binjai
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 16:26:14

    Dr Hsu,
    Ideology consume the plate of rice.
    plate of rice : eating piece by piece
    plate of rice : eating at big scoop a piece
    nation : brave teh season
    leader : remove the corrupters
    like in a plate of rice
    remove the fish bone
    some fish bone can be eaten
    some swell the dish plate
    remove the plate
    some swell the the table bcoz of plate too large
    remove the table
    some table are not practical
    get a desk
    ideology : its all start from a desk
    a nipple
    a book
    a tutor
    a look
    a say
    a treachery
    a lie
    a comeback
    a thought
    a needle in your clinic
    a slap on the face
    a child
    a sleep
    trial and error
    over 4 seasons

    a death.

    a ghost.

    even the dead can talk.
    when the doctor reported wrongly.

    so, keep up a good work.
    you are tagged at our homepage.
    talk right, all will be alright.

    cheers !!


  12. Dr Hsu
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 16:30:01

    Ko Yem Binjai, thanks for the poetic comment. very deep and meaningful….



  13. tangwengheng
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 16:57:12

    Loyalty to the country is not similar to loyalty to the government. While I entirely share simliar thinking, the goverment of the day very often try to manipulate it the other way round. e.g Biro Tata Negara


  14. monsterball
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 17:20:45

    But if they want to be selective..and choose who to arrest…I kena…then maybe I can be reborn..second time….so fast……within one year.
    This will shame Tibet Buddhism……..hahahahahaha


  15. monsterball
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 17:51:07

    On penaik beca arrest…I am keeping touch with few NGOs and bloggers..what are standing by to lend what ever moral or financial support he needs.
    No good news.
    I is the same..24 hours sleeping on cold cement floor….then released on bail or no bail…depending on their gestapo style of questionings…….hoping to teach beca a lesson.
    This guy is as strong as an ox…like RPK…no fear at all.


  16. Taikohtai
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 19:36:48

    Dr Hsu,

    Just wondering what the other doctors in your profession are thinking about the issue of police harassment of your fellow Dr Osman in the DSAI Sodomy Conspirary II case. Surely a statement by the Malaysian Doctors Association or something similar to AMA in Australia to PDRM to stop unprofessional conduct on its members is not out of order?


  17. monsterball
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 20:41:51

    Now..”taikohtai” or..’hand-phone”is talking sense.
    Don’t you know….doctors are no united at all in politics?
    They have an Association ….for Doctors…on medical matters…not for politics.
    Just like lawyers with their “Hypocritical ” prevent them from… telling lies…some are great liars..hahahahahaha


  18. tmf
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 21:09:03

    Objective and correct posturing.

    So please move away from BN. We have only this one chance in our lifetime to make a difference for all our children to live in peace and harmony and not be segregated by racial politics.


  19. Patek1472
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 21:40:26

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    Kebebasan Cuma didapati dalam minda, tidak di dunia nyata. (Betul atau Salah)

    Q49. Race and Religious supremacy are preached by satans. (True or False)
    Ketuanan bangsa dan ugama adalah dikutbah oleh syaitan. (Betul atau Salah)

    Q50. Malaysian politicians are typical Jeyklls and Hydes. (True or False)
    Ahli politik Malaysia melambangkan personality Jeyklls dan Hydes. (Betul atau Salah)

    ……….cont’d to Q 50.
    ……….sambungan sahingga Soalan 50.

    Answers at
    Jawapan di


  20. pohwatchdog
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 22:26:57

    Love our country. Keep our head high. We must respect our national flag. We salute those national leaders that fight for our independence. We must not lose hope just for the sake of the current political situation. Pray hard for the sanity our leader have for the betterment of the people and our beloved country. Kibarlah jalur gemilang….dengan megah dan bangga


  21. Muda
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 22:42:14

    Dear Dr.Hsu ,

    I’m just wondering why should the Jalur Gemilang be given a shabby and distasteful treatment just because certain national leaders have been making a lot of questionable things and ridiculous judgements and decisions . It’s like humiliating the holy books of Quran , Bible , etc whenever certain muslims , christians , buddhists etc make a fool of themselves .

    All of us love this great country of ours and the Malaysian flag that represents Malaysia should not forgot people like Tunku Abd Rahman , Tan Siew Sin , V.Sambanthan etc who braved themselves to seek independence from the British .

    Don’t let a small group of people who lost the direction to make Malaysia into a great nation as what was intended by our great leaders of the yesteryears , ruined our soul and lives as well .

    I’m proud of my Jalur Gemilang and still have fond memories waving it with my friends i.e. Kok Kiong , Wai Foh , Sarjeet Singh , Suresh , Khairy ( not KJ ) , Fernandez , in school during sports meets , merdeka celebrations , Hari Belia etc. And I will still waved it high even if most of the rakyat deem it as a waste of time .

    You see , in the Jalur Gemilang , I found what is meant to be a PROUD MALAYSIAN !

    In the Jalur Gemilang , I’m a Malaysian first and muslim malay second !


  22. Dr Hsu
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 23:20:45

    Taikoh, tai, yes doctors should be allowed to state their opinion without any encumbrance regarding medical matters, including the opinion whether a rape has occured… This right must be respected because as a registered doctor, a doctor’s opinion carries weight… And no doctors should be forced to reveal what is going on between a patient and the doctor, unless permission isgiven by the patient. This confidentiality clause is similar to the lawyers and the doctors’ right to keep secret for their patients must be respected.

    And no doctor should be forced or coerced to change his expert opinion, even if another doctor may display a different opinion.


  23. jeff
    Aug 07, 2008 @ 23:51:49

    I will never desecrate my national flag by hanging it up side down, what umno did in Malaysia is because majority of people choose to have a corrupt political party to govern the country, it has nothing to do with our national symbol, i prefer to leave the symbol alone instead of blame it on the flag for all these evil deed from BN, as i do not consider they represent our country’ stand rather just a governance body make up by representatives. But those who hate Malaysia can do that if they want.


  24. romerz
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 00:44:14

    Dear Dr Hsu,

    I do not agree either. I first saw this suggestion at rocky bru’s yesterday but I also read the comments (mostly all) that don’t agree.

    Despite all the differences that the rakyat is faced with, the national flag and anthem are 2 things which we will all stand to attention for. About the only thing left to unify us.

    I didn’t make this comment on something that we all already know but rather on this suggestion which will only provide the narrow minded authorities reason to jump on bloggers for the ‘disloyalty’.

    I may not have this 100% right but my understanding of flying an upside flag is a call of distress, much like an SOS.

    Where you are no longer able to ensure your own survival and require external help. In the old days, before telephone and emails, the only means of communication is by visual means.

    Hence when a town or fort is under siege and on the verge of collapse, the flag is raised upside down for help. Much like the a black flag is raised for plague.

    Malaysia may be in crisis but it is not in distress which requires outside saving.

    We have not even reached the point where all hope is lost where even whatever the rakyat does makes no difference.

    It is poignant to remember only half of the voting rakyat voted for change. And the other half (me included) have not yet had another chance to recant and do the right thing, next time round.

    No, Malaysia is not in distress, it is only in crisis.

    Let us not use a hammer to swat a fly much like what the BN has been doing in the past.

    Too much of an overkill only brings negative responses!


  25. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 06:25:49

    All the details…concerning the hanging of the flag….up-side down ….are given by …”Anwar freed on bail” post.


  26. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 06:37:18

    Just to summarize…it was originated by ‘kickdefella’…supported by ‘zorro’..and put out by ‘rockybru”..requestd by ‘kickdefella’..and he posted it out.. to let commentators speak…..for or against.
    “rockybru”… NEVER commit to support. And this was out…as soon as I suggested…. boycotting the Merdeka Parade!!
    “kickdefella” is an UMNO member…working for PAS in Kota Baru.
    He is a political blogger ..with an agenda to favour one race and make two bosses happy.
    Not an easy task…but he is doing it well.
    I don’t envy him…and best…is to keep an arms length from such a man.


  27. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 06:49:37

    Other bloggers….like..Susan Loone….picked it up……to instigate and fan….and she is very good at. that….with no real love for Malaysia or behave like a true Malaysian.
    How sincere can a blogger be…fanning Malaysians on politics….from Bangkok??
    This applies to all political bloggers..blogging Malaysian affairs……from overseas.
    Such people..are cowards…dare not face the music….yet talk so much.
    When trouble comes….where are these people???
    This female blogger…Susan Loone…living in Bangkok..have a special talent… to attract visitors…with her gossiping abilities…trying so hard …to be like RPK….but RPK does not gossip nor copy others…and he is totally opposite to Susan Loone.


  28. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 07:19:34

    Susan said she is not a racialist.
    Don’t believe her!
    I know her….spoke to her face to face.
    Can really twist and turn….really sharp lady.
    Her weak points are…she does not know who her real friends are…and when she does not like you…watch out….you are banned like me..saying “monsterball is a racialist”….hahahahahaha
    The truth is..I send few messages… exposing her weaknesses…she deleted all..and banned me..saying I am a racialist.
    Similarly…I am exposing ‘kickdefella”…my one time.. very good friend…as a malay racialist…so far not ban yet….but deleted my messages…to frustrate me.
    These are intended to guide commentators and visitors…as blogsphere do have few..that spoil the good mane of noble fair minded sincere bloggers.
    We speak so much against UMNO.
    Why not against some bloggers…..even if their messages do make us feel nice..and alway anti-government…but the real truth is…….these people have no principles in life… Dr.Hsu.
    So …we need to becareful of political blog owners.
    They are like.. band leaders…guiding or destroying a group of followers.


  29. jeff
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 08:35:39

    Nobody with the right mind will take those political bloggers seriously, if they are so righteous, they will not be blogging all the times with majority of their articles are junks.


  30. jeff
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 08:40:57

    Many of them can not differentiate between national symbol and political party! Quite similar to those America flag burners who demonstrated by burning star spangles because of hatred over politicians decision, a bunch of foolish hippies.


  31. Nick
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 09:26:25

    Dr. Hsu, thank you for the reminder and advice to temper our words in this blog. But what is wrong in calling a spade a spade? The PM is an idiot. The DPM is a liar. The botak is evil with low IQ. M2 is a corrupter. Zain is a corrupt businessman. Azalina loves female company. What else? The rest of the chinese MCA ball-carriers are eunuchs. I don’t want to name the fornicators and adulterers. In fact, the entire cabinet should take collective responsibilties for the mess, the flip-floping decision and odium our Nation is currently facing. I feel happier now.


  32. Nick
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 11:23:46

    If i met with an accident and I was partially at fault but I quickly go to the Police Station and make a report, would that absolve me from all blame? In Botak’s mind, the complainant should not be charged because he made a complaint. That is what I mean by low IQ.


  33. Suka Sama Suka
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 11:43:53

    I think initially, they want to charge DSAI forced himself on the guy. Later they realised The complainant is 23 years old, tall, & health guy. The accused is a 61 years old with medical history of back pain. I wonder how an old man did that alone.

    Then, modify a bit. Suka sama Suka.
    So now what?
    Initially, lovers than later turned soar. Therefore, sue?


  34. wazzup
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 12:37:22

    Lawan tetap lawan…, Merdeka tetap Merdeka!! Dont la write your surname upside down if you dont like your dad.

    I stayed in Ptg Pauh for many years in my schooling days and up till now, to compare it to Kepala Batas under Badawi is a stark difference. 1 is no rasuah town the other mushrooming rasuah town.

    Malehh.. this fler wanna make Putrajaya out of it, with Penang people money and now tell us no fund for a bridge. Go there look at the hockey stadium for ghost, enter the Pejabat Tanah with reflexology garden, the Piramid Ibu Pejabat Polis. 1 term can turn it to a mini Putrajaya.


  35. KevinP
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 12:53:06

    Well said Dr. Hsu.

    I too do not believe in raising the flag upside down and you said most eloquently what and how I felt.


  36. Anak Malaysia
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 13:23:19

    Dear All,

    Our loyalty and our priority should be on the NATION first! The interest of the nation is much more important than anything else.

    That’s why, we shouldn’t hang our flag upside down during the MERDEKA celebration. The flag symbolized the nation. We need to have a clear conscience on this.

    The flag symbolized all of us as Malaysians. It symbolized the many struggles, sufferings and sacrifices that have been made by our forefathers. For a FREE nation. For the FREEDOM of forever being slaves to a colonial masters. The flags symbolize the birth of the nation for a better tomorrow.

    The same can be said about the Government. It as an institution that also symbolized Malaysia as a democratic country. It is the “government of the people, by the people and for the people” who are NOT above the LAW and the Nation.

    However, the same cannot be said about THOSE ARROGANT, ABUSIVE, BIGOTS, RACISTS, LIARS, CHEATERS, CORRUPTORS, OPPRESSIVE, GREED, PLUNDERERS people inside the government.

    These are the people who have been putting their own distorted SELF-INTEREST first above the interest of the nation.

    These are the people who have treated the responsibility (amanah) that have been put on their shoulders as an OPPORTUNITY to enrich themselves through many DUBIOUS means, all at expenses of other people and the nation.

    These are the people who keep SODOMIZING the nation in almost everyway. They practice DOUBLE STANDARDS. They create Laws to OPPRESS people from PEACEFULLY voicing their views or from organizing peacefull rallies as have been guaranteed under the constitution. They have been RAPING the POLICE and JUDICIARIES by planting PROXIES in them. They spread LIES and PROPAGANDA everyday through their firmed grip on the media.

    These are the REAL people where WE as the rakyat, who symbolized the NATION should have been angry with. FIGHT them, RESIST them, DEFY them through PEACEFULL means until they have been brought down from the power that be, that’s the Government. These are the rights that have been accorded to us by the Institition.

    We’re PROUD of the Nation. We’re PROUD as Malaysians. And for this PRIDE, VOTE them OUT from the Government. Without FEAR, without HESITATION and without PREJUDICE.

    Then only, JUCTICE can be done…


  37. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 13:32:11

    L1……..Abang..when again?
    L2…….No more la. Very tired…talking ..road shows.. after road shows.
    L1……Don’t bluff!! I know you like and can.. Come let me make it like Samson!!
    L2…..Ahyaa…so many want you….go la…let me rest.
    L1……Abang found another?
    L2…I no need find. They come to find me…just like you..begging and begging.
    L1….Now I beg you…do it now! Very ithcy..cannot tahan.
    Badul….Yea Tuan.
    L2……Take him out….see that he do not disturb me again.Give him….what he wants.
    Badul….Yes SIR!! I told me..let me give you…last night. He said mine.. no power..not long enough….no zzzoomm power!!
    L2….Bloody you….L1….making all sorts of excuses.
    L1…..If you don’t give me what I want..then give me RM1 million.
    L2….WA WA WA…..Who teach you that?
    L1……My UNCLE!!
    L2…….hahahahaha..That kuching kurap?
    L1…..He knows you are going to say that about him….and I don’t like what you are saying about my one and only forever lover. I will leave you.
    L2……OK go….do as you like…and leave me in peace.


  38. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 14:31:38

    L2 is not who you think!
    Doc deleted it.
    I will hint again….have short wife…..hahahahahaha


  39. chauncey gardener
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 14:32:14


    I do not know you nor do I know Susan Loone or whether either of you can be termed as racialist, racist or what have you.

    However, I think she banned you from her blog primarily ‘cos you did not just send her a “few messages” …. you practically dominated her “free speech” segment with – in my opinion – irrelevance.

    Before you go lamblasting me, I am not one of those people whom you crossed swords with. I was just reading comments. Perhaps you were in a different frame of mind then – people do change and so far, you have kept a credible presence in Dr Hsu’s blog. Thank you for that.

    And I do sokong your idea of reducing the rakyat’s presence for the Merdeka celebrations as we are in crisis (but not in distress). Perhaps romerz can expand on that as I am not clear on what that means!


  40. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 14:33:04

    mongo mumbo jumbo c 4…..hahahahahaha


  41. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 14:47:06

    Chauncey gardener …….you got it..totally wrong…but I don’t blame you.
    However…it will be nice. if you know the complete facts..before jumping to conclusions.
    Chinese has a saying….you can eat wrong things…but don’t utter wrong words!!.
    I will not response in so much details…except to tell you…go back and read her second last message to me….saying..I know how to make monsterball come back”…..poop…out Free speech zone.
    At go many calling me back.
    Do you think…I was a pest at her blog?
    hi…Don’t start judging others..okay??
    Creditable or otherwise… in this blog…none of your business.
    Go put out your smart comments…and stop judging others.
    I can judge Susan Loone… I know her well…do you??


  42. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 14:50:24

    I also dominated this blog.
    So better hint and tell Doc to ban me la….smart ass.


  43. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 15:23:28

    I checked!
    You don’t even comment at susan’s…how the heck you can judge?
    I guess you have nothing better to do…but choose me talk nonsense…. to get attentions?


  44. romerz
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 15:43:29

    Dear chauncey gardener,

    I’ll explain tomorrow. No politics for me today.

    Today is the official start of the Olympics and I’m practicing the ancient Greek concept of Olympic truce, at least for today anyway.


  45. A true Malaysian
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 16:36:33

    Today is an auspicious day, ie 080808, once in a century. Romerz is right, lets enjoy Beijing Olympic opening ceremony at 8 O’clock 8 second tonight.

    Lets looking forward to a successful Beijing Olympic. It is disgusting that sodomy news play dominance in our main stream media, instead of Beijing Olympic.


  46. monsterball
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 17:09:15

    My auspicious day is any day…I am not provoked.
    My birthday is everyday..I feel happy and well.
    My lucky day….is when I get pennies from heaven….to buy more cigars to smoke.
    My heavenly and hell life…is right here…experiencing both.
    Some people have cats nine lives. I do.
    Some have one live…gone case…when once striked by bad luck.
    If you have the ‘sixth’ sense…you are a moon child.
    If you have no commonsense…you are not smart.
    If you not smart and think you are are an idiot.
    If you are an idiot and think God talks to you….you are a lunatic.
    8-8-88….auspicious is!!
    Nine months time..more babies are born…than any other months.
    Full houses to all restaurants…..marriages are the norm of the day.
    You think those couples have time to watch live opening ceremony of Olympic Games..after a hard day’s night? Both will be dead tired! Few will be having new experiences of their lives. But many..same thing…nothing new.
    I will watch the opening ceremony…like all do..provide the Astro man come and change my faulty promised.
    Luckily….local channels have live telecast.
    Disco girls…massage girls…prostitutes…sure loose alot of business….bad luck for them.


  47. chaptokam
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 19:37:00

    I have been branded a monsterball clone in Susan Loone by the way I put forth my point of view . Anyway nice to have met you the Original .
    cheerio from the clone .


  48. Anak Malaysia
    Aug 08, 2008 @ 22:48:20

    L2 is not who you think!
    Doc deleted it.
    I will hint again….have short wife…..hahahahahaha

    haiyaaa, you are mistaken! not short maaa…, but very very short, even with high heels! rumours are thats the reason why she likes to shops a lot in some distance land… still haven’t found the correct heels hahahahaaa….


  49. monsterball
    Aug 09, 2008 @ 00:40:51

    chaptokam…..Nice to meet by copycat….hahahahahaha
    Stay here and have fun.
    You will find Doc’s messages…realistic…not instigating…not low class junk messages….like…….you know who.
    And most commentators here are great guys…to talk to.
    Hope to hear from you.
    Are you a Thai?


  50. monsterball
    Aug 09, 2008 @ 01:56:24

    No … are not my clone.
    I read few of you messages at Susan’s blog.
    The only thing we have in common disagreeing with ‘witsO’…who is Susan’s right hand man.
    That guy is a real bastard.
    You do not support Anwar or People’s Party.
    We do….so how can you be my clone?
    The style of writing may have some similarities…forceful and direst….but our thoughts and characters are miles apart. stay and post here..whenever you can.
    Lets agree to disagree….with intelligence…okay?


  51. electrocutioner
    Aug 09, 2008 @ 13:21:00

    The problem is, those in power equates the Jalur Gemilang to themselves as a person whenever they have a chance. What better way than to turn the tables on ‘them’. Its not a desecration of flag (as national symbol). Its not the same as flag burning or leaving it on the floor. I just want to get my forn of protest across.


  52. chauncey gardener
    Aug 09, 2008 @ 13:58:55


    I have no intention of instigating you or incurring your wrath. And you are right – your altercation with Ms Loone is none of my business. Having been a visitor to her blog (and as rightly pointed out by you – no comments), I just thought that your remark in this thread on sending her a “few messages” (instead of what I would term as a boatload) was off the mark.

    Are you a pest on this blog? I shall have to leave that to the blog owner, lest I be called “judgemental”. As I said earlier, I thank you for maintaining a credible presence on this blog.

    I am merely a blog visitor who just happened to come across your duelling in another blog some time back. You definitely left an impression.

    Anyway, let’s move on with other matters.


  53. monsterball
    Aug 09, 2008 @ 14:45:51

    chauncey gardener…Who are you..keep judging me….even now?
    You talk like a braggart…with no substances .
    Go…….leave me alone.
    I have seen enough of your so cultured….but is infact..full of shit….no balls to stand by your country or defend it with your live. Talk talk talk…is all you know….like Susan Loone….and his buddy….”WitsO”
    Leave me alone…….if you dare not reveal yourself…..when you want to judge others.!!
    Yes .you move on….and talk to others….not to me.
    I don’t like to be judged by a faceless..nameless person. So is “WitsO”….faceless and nameless….full of shit man/woman….who knows!!
    If you got the guts..reveal yourself.
    Otherwise….you are shit man/woman too!!


  54. romerz
    Aug 09, 2008 @ 22:32:49

    Dear chauncey gardener,

    Ok I’m back from a day of Olympic truce.

    What I meant between ‘crisis’ and ‘distress’ is my definition of crisis means that the country has severe problems with its civil institutions like the judiciary, police, A-G’s chambers, etc.

    Institutions which are supposed to protect the ordinary Malaysian but unfortunately has been subverted by the executive branch of the government.

    But despite these problems and despite the gloomy outlook at the moment, these problems are not beyond repair. It only needs those with the authority to revamp and repair these institutions if they have the desire and the will to do so.

    So I interpret crisis to mean a bad situation but can be made better by ourselves by changing the government to one whom we believe will carry out these repairs we wish.

    With ‘despair’, I was using it in the context of flying an upside flag in the medieval days which denoted a castle under siege and on the verge of collapsing and being conquered by an external enemy.

    A situation which had reached the point of ‘despair’ where survival is now dependent on external help.

    So what I meant in my above comment is that whilst Malaysia is in ‘crisis’, it is not in ‘despair’ which requires outside (non-Malaysian) intervention as a last option for survival.

    We are far from that though we are in a pretty bad shape at the moment. But nothing which we the rakyat can’t change since the ballot box is still available to us.

    Hope this explanation makes sense to you.


  55. chauncey gardener
    Aug 10, 2008 @ 07:54:58

    I see where your context of despair is coming from and totally agree with you that external help is not needed. I was understanding it from the common usage of distress – “a state of danger or desperate need”.

    I think that Malaysia is in despareate need of some real changes to some of the policy changes that were ingrained in the previous administration – education comes to mind but that is requires a long term fix. The crisis is that the ship has seemingly lost its rudder.

    We need everyone to pull together (unite) and move the ship in the same direction. Our current Captain does not seem to have the map in hand.


  56. darcwil
    Aug 10, 2008 @ 12:54:17

    I am happy to hear that you are also against the upside down jalr gemilang act. I dont see the hole point of playing around with the flag! If they are realy so angry, put lah the leadres pictures upside down or somwthing! The flag reprsents US all of us regardless of party or race or religion. If they can easily fool around with that, what else do we have? Bloggers too, as i always say, have a social responsibilty to uphold.


  57. jeff
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 03:30:01

    All commentators need to take heed of Doc. advice of not name calling in spreading “truth”, remember your IP address can be traced by umno’s police SB n hire thugs, i am sure everyone know how they employed heavy handed tactics in jail especially the “back door trick” so often used by umnoputra.


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