Is the Iron Triangle breaking up?

This is from Bernama’s news analysis today:

Is Gerakan’s iron Triangle Breaking Up?

By Alan Ting

PENANG, Sept 28 (Bernama) — For the past 20 years, Gerakan’s top three leaders — acting president Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon, vice-president Datuk Dr Teng Hock Nam and secretary-general Datuk Seri Chia Kwang Chye had always formed a formidable team.

So much so they were dubbed as the “Iron Triangle”, reflecting their closeness, with some party members even likened their bonds to the party’s emblem, which is triangular in shape.

The trio also built up their respective political career in the Bukit Bendera constituency.

Dr Koh was previously the state assemblyman for Tanjung Bungah, Dr Teng was the Pulau Tikus state assemblyman — both are in the Bukit Bendera parliamentary seat — while Chia was the MP before his defeat in the March 8 general election.

“Once, they were also called the ‘Dream Team’ as they had built up such a formidable political force in Penang and in the party,” a retired senior Gerakan leader told Bernama.

Lately however, some party leaders and insiders said they began to detect signs that the Iron Triangle was breaking up.

Cracks seemed to have appeared after the March 8 general election and some party members even interpreted that the cracks meant that the trio might no longer be on the same ship.

“Their public appearance is very superficial. I think the ‘triangle’ had actually started to collapse sometime in February and early March when two of them (Dr Teng and Chia) started to lobby to become the next Penang chief minister,” said a grassroots member from the Bukit Bendera division.

Lending further credence to the perception was the fact that Dr Teng decided to contest against Chia for the Penang state Gerakan chairman’s post — a move, according to some Penang Gerakan members, that had upset Chia.

“There has been an arrangement earlier that when Dr Koh steps down as the Penang Gerakan chairman, Chia would be given a chance to take over. However, at the last minute, Dr Teng came in and challenged him,” a Gerakan divisional leader said.

Differences between Chia and Dr Teng began to surface when Chia, just a day before the Penang Gerakan state elections, suggested that the party break away from Barisan Nasional.

“This was a calculated move by Chia to win the delegates’ support after some personal attacks were hurled at him,” one of Chia’s supporters said, claiming that the “pull out from BN” statement had prompted Dr Koh to hold an unscheduled closed-door briefing just before the start of the party’s state elections last Sunday.

During the briefing, Dr Koh had said that there was no doubt that some would want to see Gerakan leave the BN but at the same time, they did not indicate whether they would continue to support the party after the pullout.

This seemed to have jolted the delegates to their senses and forced them to ponder about the fate of the party if it were to be out of BN and with support eroding.

And because of this, the Chia supporter claimed, some delegates threw their support to Dr Teng, who won by a mere 10-vote majority.

Dr Teng secured 166 votes, Chia obtained 156 while another candidate, Bukit Gelugor division chairman Cheang Chee Gooi, only managed to secure 21 votes.

But for former Penang state executive councillor and Gerakan Youth chief Teng Chang Yeow, the rift had not reached a level of breaking, only at the point of “loosening up”.

“After a while, corrosion will set in. So you need to put some oil. Whether this would smoothen the whole thing again, it remains to be seen,” he said.

But the latest development has given some veteran party leaders a cause for concern.

For instance, one of them, Tan Sri Dr Chin Fook Weng, said, “Whatever happens, the Iron Triangle cannot break as it holds a very significant power play and balancing act in the party.

“If the triangle breaks, the consequences are that any one of them may break away from the party, bringing with them a substantial number of supporters.”

Results in the recent Penang Gerakan elections showed that both Dr Teng and Chia still wield considerable support.

“Some members have said that it was a proxy fight but as a keen watcher, I would rather say that each one of them has a different personality, with their own ways and ideas,” Dr Chin said.

“It is how we get these people to come and work together. Chia coordinates well, that is why he is always regarded as a good coordinator. You get maximum result,” he said.

Dr Teng, on the other hand, is a person who has a good appearance and good public relations skills, including the ability to speak various languages, including Tamil, said Dr Chin.

“Each of them has strengths and weaknesses and they need each other’s strengths to cover their respective weaknesses,” he said.

Now it would be interesting to see whether Dr Teng, the elected Penang Gerakan state chairman, would bring Chia to sit on the Penang state liaison committee (SLC).

“Chia has lost and he is not a division chairman. How to have him at the SLC when he is not even one of the six delegates voted in?

“But that can be done by bringing Chia to the SLC through the Central Working Committee (CWC), which has a provision to appoint a central liaison officer to sit in the SLC,” said Dr Chin.

Dr Chin explained that the CWC could appoint anybody to be a central liaison officer and that the state chairman had to consult the officer whenever important decisions were to be made.

“We can also appoint three persons as central appointees in the SLC. This has been used to stabilise the party in the past,” he said.

For Bayan Baru division chairman Wong Mun Hoe, the trio is not breaking up as Chia is known to be a team player and party leaders normally closed ranks after the election is over.

“The Iron Triangle is not easy to break. The triangle members understand the Gerakan way of doing things. Gerakan does not usually practise the winner takes all and loser loses all concept.

“Once the election is over, the rivals will close ranks and those who have been elected will usually bring in those who did not make it,” he said.

Wong said it would be something unexpected if Chia decided to break away from the triangle as suggested by some.

There are talks that Dr Teng and Chia will fight it out again for the deputy president’s post in the party’s elections scheduled for Oct 11.

Some even predicted that Chia might go for broke by contesting against Dr Koh for the party’s presidency.

— BERNAMA

 

 

 


28 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. klm
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 18:33:47

    Dr Hsu

    What is your take on this?

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  2. Dr Hsu
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 19:03:44

    I think there is a crack in the triangle.

    And I think we cannot rule out Chia will go for the no. 1 post challenging KTK.

    If there is a challenge, both will need grassroots support and hence the chances of Gerakan heeding the grassroots wish to either quit BN or have a referendum will be high.

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  3. Dr Hsu
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 19:07:35

  4. Kenny Gan
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 19:19:32

    The Star Online – Sunday September 28, 2008
    Gerakan mulls quitting Barisan, may join Pakatan

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/28/nation/20080928173217&sec=nation

    What choice does Gerakan have? To stay on in BN means to continue bleeding members. Quote:

    “He was also asked to comment on some 20 FT Gerakan members who had defected to Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), including former FT Gerakan information bureau chief Gan Kok Keng and former Setiawangsa Gerakan chief Li Tiam Chai.

    “I feel surprised because it was only last week when Li Tiam Chai was with me in a meeting and there were no signs that he was not happy.

    unquote

    So how Dr. Koh? Become a party without grassroots?

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  5. Rights for all
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 19:24:17

    Didn’t KTK said it was the minority that suggested to leave BN? Maybe KTK visited a nut doctor recently and got knocked to his senses.

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  6. pohwatchdog
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 20:28:47

    Gerakan need to move on and rebranding to win back the lost ground. What option you can role Gerakan can play in Pakatan Rakyat? Are the other partner willing to accept you?

    With the current scenario, most of the members are emotional and trying to gain popularity to leave BN. Are they going to play second fiddle to the existing member in PR? Even PAS, PKR and DAP are bickering among themselves in PR govern states.
    Personalites in Gerakan is not important but the party should matter first. Personalities that can convince the people to give their trust back should matter most.

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  7. pohwatchdog
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 20:30:10

    Gerakan need to move on and rebranding to win back the lost ground. What option role Gerakan can play in Pakatan Rakyat? Are the other partner willing to accept you?

    With the current scenario, most of the members are emotional and trying to gain popularity to leave BN. Are they going to play second fiddle to the existing member in PR? Even PAS, PKR and DAP are bickering among themselves in PR govern states.
    Personalites in Gerakan is not important but the party should matter first. Personalities that can convince the people to give their trust back should matter most.

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  8. Kenny Gan
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 22:40:33

    poh,

    Gerakan should ask itself, what option can it play in BN? As an independent party or in PR, it can explore possibilities but in BN it’s already a definite dead end.

    As for rebranding, that’s Samy Vellu’s strategy. He thinks a new tagline, new uniforms, new party song and new logo can rejuvenate MIC.

    The soul of a party is its ideology, not the tinsel and packaging. This is what attracts members. Gerakan has been losing members to PKR because the multi-racial and socialist ideology of PKR reflects Gerakan’s roots.

    Gerakan doesn’t have to join PR immediately. It can remain independent until the next G.E. when it can explore its options. The future outside isn’t very clear but the future with BN is without doubt.

    Gerakan will be wiped out as a party by next G.E. if it stays. It will become the next PPP, a mosquito party without seats or MPs, hanging on to BN’s coat tails for the hope droppings off the gravy train when its relevance to the coalition is long gone.

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  9. Dr Hsu
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 23:19:32

    Ipohwatchdog, yes, unfortunately, what Kenny Gan said is very true and is the real dilemma Gerakan leaders are facing.

    I have been stressing to them that the only plausible way to slowly rebuild the party is to be the third force .

    If it is inside BN, it is a forgone solution that its fate will be sealed the next GE.

    More and more members are leaving.. The longer it remains the less grassroots members it will have. Whether it stays inside or outside BN, there is bound to have split either way.

    I think if the leadership cannot decide, let us have a referendum. Let the grassroots decide.

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  10. romerz
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 23:22:34

    pohwatchdog,

    Gerakan has to accept the reality that whatever it does now longer guarantees its survival.

    Leave BN and die a lonely death?

    Join PR and be marginalized?

    Stay in BN and lose all its members and die when the voters kick out racial politics?

    Frankly all options available to Gerakan stinks.

    So why not do the noble thing and help the rakyat bring an end to racial politics?

    As it was said of Badawi, Gerakan is in the same boat too. This could be its finest hour if with its last dying gasp of energy, do something noble for the country.

    At least people will remember Gerakan for its founding ideology and its efforts to return to it at its death.

    I’m almost 90% sure there is no saving Gerakan as a viable political entity.

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  11. Dr Hsu
    Sep 28, 2008 @ 23:44:33

    romerz, i do agree that actually, if another party can succeed in realising our ideology of a non racial, fair and equal society, it is not really important whether we can survive or not. We must go above partisan politics when the leaders say that they want to go back to the people.

    And if we are of that mind , come out of BN and support whichever side that can realise this dream, then as a bonus, we might even survive as a party and who knows, we might even emulate the feat by Dr Lim Ching Eu who captured Penang with very little resources and with only 300 cadres that really believed in him and the party.

    Many have questioned why I am still staying inside. After MArch 8, maybe about 30 % of members wanted out of BN. But with my many blog articles which many members admitted to have read and downloaded and even circulated, now my estimate is at least 70-80 % wanted out, because they see my logic of returning to our ideology, to our grassrooots and to the people.

    Dr Koh in today’s press conference in KL mentioned that 60 % wanted to leave. This is a big departure from his earlier estimate that only a minority wanted out.

    So I think I am doing the party and members a service in trying to point out the right path to return to ideology .

    I am now harping on returning to grassroots, meaning that the future must be decided by our members through a referendum.

    Today, I heard that after the KL state meeting, Selangor memebrs have a dialogue with top leaders and many of the members wanted the party to go out of BN.

    I will keep harping and change the mindsets of members and leaders , and who knows, Gerakan may be the next party out of BN, after SAPP. Give us some time more….

    Those who dont want to leave may see me as a ‘trouble maker’, but I am not. It is precisely because of my love for the party that i have remained, and will remian till my objective is achieved. And once out of BN, I promise to spend more time to help strengthen our party.

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  12. petestop
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 00:11:16

    I will just comment as an party outsider.

    Gerakan has been one of the more respectable and acceptable BN component party for me, who has been a lifelong support of the Opposition.
    Nobody should forget its past history, ideology and contributions, especially in Penang state.

    However, that is in the PAST, the new generation don’t know and probably don’t care what you are and what you have done before. What really matters to them is NOW.

    And NOW, by continue being part of UMNO dominated BN, it is a dead end.

    These past few months after GE-12, have but shown that UMNO can never be reformed.
    Even Zaid Ibrahim, a hardcore UMNO man, gave up.

    What more do you think Gerakan can do from within BN ?

    It is time to take a stand and be counted in history.

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  13. romerz
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 02:26:56

    Every which way but lose.

    No, not the movie starring Clint Eastwood and Orville, his pet orangutan, but the options facing Parti Gerakan Rakyat Malaysia at the moment.

    The Star online reported today that Gerakan is at a crossroads, a defining moment in its history, for what it decides to do next could very well decide whether it survives as a viable political entity or not. The report quotes Acting President Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon saying that the party is faced with 3 options.

    1. Stay with BN

    2. Leave BN and join Pakatan Rakyat

    3. Leave BN and remain independent

    The way I see it, all 3 options stinks in so far as Gerakan is concerned.

    Stay with BN and bleed members/supporters daily until it is nothing but a shell of a party? If UMNO continues going the way it is going, the people will complete the job started but not finished at the 12 GE come the next general elections. A losing option.

    What can Gerakan expect if it joins PR? Probably nothing much better since its power base is Penang and that would be in direct conflict with DAP. By joining PR, Gerakan can most probably expect to be marginalized as I can’t see DAP giving up seats for Gerakan to contest in the next GE. Another losing option.

    Stay out of BN and PR and remain independent? This may sound the best of the above 3 options but with 2 MPs and 4 ADUNs, it doesn’t have enough numbers to influence anything unless the situation is really tight or unless it can convince other BN component parties who are in similiar situations as Gerakan is in to join along the independent wagon.

    The only non-sectarian parties within BN are small ones and mostly from Sabah and Sarawak. So far SAPP from Sabah is the only possible ally to be found. But their concerns are different from those of Gerakan, their concerns revolves around Sabah whereas Gerakan is trying to project an image of a national party fighting for national ideals.

    In my opinion, Gerakan as an independent party will most probably end up standing alone on the peninsular and will most probably be trampled upon by UMNO, MCA, MIC, PKR, DAP and PAS. From time to time, Gerakan may be called upon for support but for the most part, Gerakan will only exist until the next GE. It has only bought itself time until the next GE when it has to compete against 2 giants. Another losing option!

    So given these scenarios, it would seem that nothing Gerakan does really matters any more. Frankly, all I see of the 3 options available is just delaying the inevitable. I’m about 90% sure that Gerakan will not survive as a viable entity given the current mood of the rakyat. And even if the anger abates somewhat, Penang voters will give DAP another term at least, which means another 9-10 years. By which time, Gerakan will only become a distant memory or if its still around then, it will be nothing more than a name but without substance.

    I would now like to propose a radical 4th option. No it does not guarantee Gerakan’s survival as a political entity but it will ensure the name of Parti Gerakan Rakyat Malaysia will at least go down in history as a party that lived and died fighting for a better democratic Malaysia.

    Right now, the name Gerakan, being associated with UMNO/BN is spoken with disdain by the ordinary rakyat. They only tolerate the name out of respect and fondness of a party which took Malaysian politics by storm some 39 years ago. Eventually history and past deeds will only count for so much before the reality of today sets in, if it hasn’t already.

    My proposal is Parti Gerakan Rakyat Malaysia, lock, stock and barrel, join Parti KeADILan Rakyat and go down in history as a party that gave up its life for a better Malaysia.

    It is not that hard really. PKR’s ideology is similiar to Gerakan’s and if both parties claim that their existence are for a Malaysian Malaysia and not personal interests, then amalgamation is a sensible step. Think of the synergy that such a merger will create. PKR needs more non-Malay support and Gerakan can provide this support since it is unable to attract Malay support on its own.

    Like it or not, nothing will change in this country unless you have the support of the majority Malays.

    Off course PKR has the upper hand and what remains of Gerakan will be at their magnamity but isn’t it better to go out holding your head up high than a pathetic whimper?

    Do this and Malaysians, for generations to come, may remember with pride that there was once a political party called Parti Gerakan Rakyat Malaysia who at the country’s hour of need, sacrificed itself so that Malaysians of all races and religions could hope for a better future!

    http://romerz.blogspot.com/2008/09/every-which-way-but-lose.html

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  14. clarence
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 08:38:24

    Dr. Hsu,

    I think Gerakan should quit BN and become an independent party. As noted by romerz, Gerakan has only 2 MPs and thus cannot influence much unless it can convince other BN component parties to quit BN along with it.

    I would like to expand on romerz’ analysis.

    Besides Gerakan, I think both MCA and MIC should be strongly convinced to pull out of BN and become independent.

    Currently, this is the Parliamentary composition (total 222 MPs):

    BN 138 see Table 1
    PAKATAN 81 see Table 2
    INDEPENDENT 3

    Table 1: BN COMPOSITION (total 138)

    UMNO 79
    MCA 15
    MIC 3
    GERAKAN 2

    Sarawak/Sabah-based (39):

    PBB 14
    PRS 6
    SUPP 6
    SPDP 4
    UPKO 4
    PBS 3
    LDP 1
    PBRS 1

    Table 2: OPPOSITION COMPOSITION (total 84)

    PKR 31
    DAP 28
    PAS 22
    INDEPENDENT 3 (most recent 2 from SAPP)

    If Gerakan, MCA, and MIC become independent parties, the new Parliamentary composition will be:

    BN 118
    PAKATAN 81
    INDEPENDENT 23

    With this new composition, Pakatan only needs 19 MPs to crossover and form a majority. This is much less than the 29 MPs currently required. (Note: Here, I used the “theoretical minimum” to form a majority. In realpolitik, it is safer and more stable for Pakatan to have a majority larger than 1).

    By going independent, Gerakan, MCA, and MIC (plus any other BN components) can together achieve the following:

    (1) it sends the message that race-based politics is finished.

    (2) it effectively isolates UMNO. UMNO’s survival is now solely subjected to the Malay voters (and we know UMNO does not have 100% Malay support). By themselves, they have no hope of forming a majority government.

    (3) it reduces the number of crossovers that Pakatan currently needs to form a simple majority.

    (4) it removes the concern that the ruling coalition does not have a dominant Malay/Muslim majority. As it is, Pakatan has a dominant Malay/Muslim majority (even assuming Gerakan, MCA, and MIC become Independents).

    (5) the independent parties hold the swing votes in passing or killing legislation.

    (6) the independent parties can play a “check and balance” role in Parliament.

    (7) it buys time until the next General Election for the independent parties to regroup and re-assess their future roles.

    More effort should be expended to convince the Sarawak and Sabah-based parties to pull out of BN and either join Pakatan or become independent. Already, there is a buzz that Upko is thinking about quitting BN. If they do, this is yet another 4 either for Pakatan or Independents.

    As an interesting aside, I am very puzzled as to why Sarawak and Sabah did not play kingmaker in the last General Election. From what I gathered, the people there are really angry with the meager oil/gas royalties they receive and with the illegal immigration situation. Why did they voted overwhelmingly for BN in the last GE? These 2 States combined, represent less than 6% of BN voters and yet they got 39 BN MPs. In comparision, MCA represented 10.35% of BN voters but got only 15 MPs. Is this big time gerrymandering or not?

    For the mistake that Sarawak and Sabah made in the last GE, Anwar has to go there to try to induce crossovers. Why didn’t the people of Sarawak and Sabah voted for the Opposition when they had the chance? I hate to say this: they really deserve what they get for electing BN to represent them.

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  15. klm
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 09:37:05

    On the issue of the options for Gerakan, Koh Tsu Koon had been quoted to say :

    quote ” It’s a very trying time and there is need for a lot of rational, objective analysis.
    It cannot be a straightforward, simplistic decision” – unqoute.

    I put forward these points.

    1. Gerakan is a small political party, with its support base mainly in Penang.

    2. Gerakan draw of a lot of its strength from the other other BN parties especially UMNO.
    In its hey day, Gerakan was able to exploit BN strength. It chief ministership of Penang
    depended very much on UMNO.

    3. In the defeat of the 2008 election, BN weakness become the weakness of Gerakan. In the events that unfold in the Pematang Pauh by-election and after, it become clear that
    Gerakan is a marginalised party in BN, in a weakened alliance. The Ahmad Ismail and ISA
    issues clearly demonstrated this arginalisation. The irrelevance of Gerakan cannot be
    more cear.

    4. On examining it soul, members of Gerekan found that the party had deviated from it original
    guiding principle. Seduced by power, Gerakan conformed with the racial structure of BN.It
    is much a chinese based party, while pretending to be multiracial.

    5. The appearance of PKR with the multiracial vision caught the attention of many people who
    might be attracted to Gerakan. Many of these people would have joined Gerakan, but for BN
    and UMNO. They joined PKR instead. In addition, thinking members arew crossing over to
    PKR. Without new members, Gerakan’s life force will be sapped.

    Was this the reason why Koh Tsu Kon said, …. I will continue with the veterans.”

    Finally, going back to it founding principle, means going against many of the ideas of BN.
    When Gerakan joined BN, it was to solve a particular problem in a particular time. We are now in a different situation and different time.
    With due respect to Tun Lim Chong Eu, loyalty to principle is more important than loyalty to status as founding member of BN.

    Whither to, Gerakan?

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  16. A true Malaysian
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 10:25:59

    Dr. Hsu is really in ‘deep love’ with Gerakan by saying he will be in the party till it is out of BN.

    Only Dr. Hsu himself knows why the ‘deep love’ here as many are still puzzled since there are other parties with similar ‘multiracial’ ideology for him to use as platform to voice out his aspiration. I believe many parties will welcome him with open arm to join them.

    Anyway, Dr. Hsu apparently has influenced many Gerakan members in this. As reported in merdekareview.com , 20 members joined PKR and 300 more will follow suit even before its general meeting in October 2008. These members apparently have lost hope to Koh Tsu Koon and his gangs for doing so and ultimately Gerakan will be a party without grassroots. Just imagine, if a giant tree without its strong roots, what will happen, right?

    There is no way Umno will change since its ‘big brother’ mentality was there since formation of Malaysia.

    If Gerakan leave BN now and stay as independent party, there is still very little chance of survival, but with his ‘deep love’, Dr. Hsu will still be there to resuscitate the party. But, how many such members as Dr. Hsu are there in Gerakan?

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  17. CYC
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 10:27:04

    Why procrastinate ? Are we adopting the philosophy of “form over substance” ? A person can’t pretend that he is a strong leader when there are only a handful followers left. It is sheer rubbish for Gerakan to talk about being No. 3 or 4 in BN or PR when your influence is eroding day after day. There is no point going after position when your lost your soul. KTK should go back and meditate, perhaps realization may arise and wake him up. Seeing the real situation as it is will facilitate his decision making.

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  18. Dr Hsu
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 12:39:44

    A True Malaysian, things are getting clearer now, and even Dr Koh Is mulling to pull Gerakan out.

    Even our CEO, the SEC GEN, Chia has expressed opinion that Gerakan should be out, as per above reports and per news from members. Even Chia’s close members in Selangor have asked the party out yesterday in a dialogue.

    The chances of Gerakan coming out of Bn is much greter now than anytime in the past few months.

    penang members are pushing for a referendum in an Extra ordinary Generl Meeting probably after my article “Back to the grassroots”.

    If I fail, A True Malaysian, I will cease to be active member (and let membership ‘die’} and concentate on my blog. I dont think i want to join anymore political party. Many of my friends have in fact jumped yesterday and more will do so.. and i wish them luck…

    But it is more useful for ‘change’ if we can get the whole party out rather than individuals go out. It will hasten change. So this one month plus will be the deciding factor.

    Blogosphere is indeed a powerful place, A True Malaysian, yesterday in KL state meeting, our top leader spent most of his time trying to answer points raised in all my articles, on ideology, on grassroots, on Zaid Ibrahim, on changing UMNo and so on….My articles have made at least the very top leaders think deeply for themselves, and by coming out to argue against all these points ( they in fact agree with many of the points but ask for more time to consider),, they have in fact been made to think deeper and many leaders have, as a result, see the logic of my arguments, and my insistence of going back to our ideology and grassroots. or the next few days, i will concentrate on writing some chinese articles, and chinese articles will take up to 2 x as much time since the input of the characters take time.

    Thanks for your understanding, A True malaysian, but when the hope is even greater than before, a doctor would not abandon his patient till when everythig is hopeless. When before the cure rate is only 20 %, now I would put it at 60%… I cannot reveal more here!

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  19. DALBINDER SINGH GILL
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 13:54:21

    first of all, i am sorry for my comments the other day Dr.Hsu, i just copy pasted it everywhere, i was quite emotional, and the caps, i m not angry when i use caps, thanks for explaining it, i agree that i have my fault too , but monsterball language really made me sad, as many young are reading this blogs, personal attacks r not wrong but professionally, i m not saying i m 100 percent good but i m sorry for my faults too. my website dalbindersinghgill.com will be up soon, and i wil try my best to write proffesionally, yes i am a pro-BN…

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  20. DALBINDER SINGH GILL
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 13:55:03

    read my reply to u in saudara justins blog, thanks …

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  21. A true Malaysian
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 13:59:44

    Dr. Hsu,

    The amount of time and patience that you spent and have on your so-called party leaders puzzled we outsiders, as we can see your ‘logic’ for asking Gerakan to be out of BN with ease, while to people like Koh Tsu Koon and his gangs need to take so much time. But at least he acknowledged the 60% (to me, it should be 90% based on my guts feeling).

    Koh Tsu Koon is a smart fellow and he apparently know the Chinese saying of ‘outsiders are clearer than insiders’, 旁观者清,当局者迷。

    Like you, I am still not good in inputing madarin words. Maybe using the wrong words also, but meaning is still there.

    I agree with you that blogsphere is definitely a powerful tool and even the media mogul acknowledged this fact. Only those in Umno / BN still live under ‘tempurung’.

    I hope Koh Tsu Koon and his gangs read my message here, after all, he was a Chinese scholar before. If I can remember clearly, he and other scholars promised to change BN from within the system by having a slogan of 打入国阵,纠正国阵. Just ask yourself, Mr. Koh, what is / was happening to this slogan. Zaid has given up his hope in Umno, why not you, a non-Umno member?

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  22. Tomcat
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 14:02:00

    Clarence, it’s good if MCA and MIC can opt out of BN to align with Gerakan as an independent force but these 2 lapdog parties will be the LAST to leave BN and only if the ship is sinking halfway down. Witness what Ong Ka Chuan said recently about BN being the best partner for MCA.

    Nevertheless, Gerakan should take the path of SAPP and come out as an independent force. If more parties in East Malaysia declare independence their combined might may make them kingmakers in Parliament and the next G.E.

    We are witnessing the eventual breakup of BN. SAPP has taken the lead, Gerakan will soon follow and the other parties in Sabah such as Upko are finding their voices. When BN’s majority in Parliament becomes too thin, a snap election may be called.

    God willing, we should not have to wait another 41/2 years for the next G.E.

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  23. Dr Hsu
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:06:25

    A True malaysian, time spent will be worth if Gerakan can come out and strengthen the civil forces that want change.

    In fact i am thinking above partisan line when I continously urge Gerakan to come out of BN.

    Non racial politicis will be given a boost with Gerakan out and back to its ideology.

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  24. battwann
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:39:08

    Someone brought up a good point, what is important is the end, not the means.

    If Gerakan don’t survive as a party, so be it. There are other parties out there to carry the fight for a Malaysian Malaysia. Maybe the older Penangites like Dr. Hsu can still remember the “good side” of Gerakan, but I can tell you… … the younger generation don’t see it that way.

    To us, we only know the days after Gerakan joined BN. Did we see any instance of Gerakan fighting for Chinese and Indians for greater equality? No. Did we see DAP do that? Yes.

    How did Penang fare under years of Gerakan rule? Its infrastructure, FDI, competitiveness, average income, all dropped relative to other states. Meanwhile, congestion, corruption, cost of living, everything else went up.

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  25. A true Malaysian
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:49:11

    “Non racial politicis will be given a boost with Gerakan out and back to its ideology.” This is for sure, Dr. Hsu.

    Even Ong Kian Ming and Yun Yang have changed their stands on Gerakan from previous one as what written in their article published in Malaysiakini today.

    Below are the extracts of their stands :-

    “We now argue that Gerakan should take its destiny into its own hands and ‘temporarily’ leave the BN without joining Pakatan Rakyat.”

    “Firstly, the ability of an Umno division chief, namely Ahmad Ismail, to not only single-handedly kill off any hopes for the BN to regain the non-Malay vote but also his vehement criticism of Gerakan leader, Dr Koh Tsu Koon.”

    “These actions have not only infuriated the non-Malay voters which form Gerakan’s base but also Gerakan’s own grassroots members, who are now clamouring for the party to seriously consider leaving the BN.”

    “Gerakan can choose to ‘temporarily’ leave the BN as a matter of principle until the BN changes its position on the core issues which Gerakan cares about which includes reforming or abolishing the ISA and getting rid of government corruption.”

    “The only way in which Gerakan can make a strong statement about its intentions is to leave the BN.”

    “True, Gerakan runs the risk of having some of its seats redistributed to MCA and MIC if it leaves the BN but surely such a risk is worth taking when there is little hope that Gerakan can win these seats given the current political environment.”

    “Gerakan runs a real risk of being seen as politically irrelevant amongst its voter base, its supporters and even some of its own grassroots. A bold, unprecedented move such as temporarily leaving the BN until some of its conditions are met would be one small but significant step towards regaining some of the credibility and support which Gerakan has lost in droves over the past six months and is still continuing to lose.”

    Quit BN: Gerakan has another option is a good article. The extracts are for the benefit of Koh Tsu Koon and his gangs, just in case they are not ‘accessible’ to Malaysiakini.

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  26. petestop
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 18:22:55

    romerz,

    I would’nt discount DAP giving up some Penang seats to Gerakan. In fact, I believe Penangites would be delighted to vote some of Gerakan assemblyman back in, provided that they are out of BN and not kow-towing to UMNO.

    After all Gerakan assemblyman have much more experience compared to all the newbies DAP and PKR guys.

    Remember InvestPenang was offered to ex-Gerakan Datuk Lee Kah Choon, however that non-partisan offered unfortunately got shot down by Gerakan’s leader as a ploy. Well, at least LKC still heads InvestPenang and we hope he does a good job there.

    DAP is not Gerakan’s mortal enemy, although they have always bite at you for not keeping with your Socialist Democrat ideology and the fight for a just Malaysian Malaysia.

    In light of Gerakan’s grassroot members wishes, I call upon the Pakatan Rakyat leadership to extend an olive branch to Gerakan.

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  27. Dalbinder Singh Gill
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 20:19:25

    you havent answere or reply me saudara hsu

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  28. pohwatchdog
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 10:46:29

    Have DAP given out and surrender when they failed in Tanjung 1, Tanjung 2 and Tanjung plan? Have they not have their own problems?
    Chance have been given to govern and administer several states. Why not implement better policies that bring benefit to the people? Let Gerakan grassroot have their choice to choose their leaders that can bring them from this temporary setback.

    Liberal Party have their days in Australia, Republican have their days in United State and etc. Move on and let it be.

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