More questions to consider, Gerakan leaders !

In most of the meetings with grassroots, the Gerakan leaders will cite  3 questions and their answers to justify their stay in BN. The leaders often say that when they ask these 3 following questions to the ordinary people in traditional Gerakan strongholds in Penang, Klang Valley and Kinta Valley, they get these answers:

1. Will the people support BN in another General election?

The answer in Gerakan’s traditional urban and suburban areas will be “No”.

2. Should Gerakan leave BN?

The overwhelming response, especially from the Penangites, is a big “YES”

3. In a 3 cornered fight between Gerakn, DAP and BN, which party would you support?

The answer is ‘DAP” because the people thought even with Gerakan out of BN, DAP should be given one or 2 terms to prove its worth.

 

So some of the leaders are using the answer to the third question to justify their argument that Gerakan should not go out of BN.

I would like to, as a loyalist ( as called by Jeff Ooi once in his article) grassroot member, however, ask 2 more questions:

Q4. supposing Gerakan is still in BN, and there is a straight fight between Gerakan and DAP, which party will you choose?

The answer is obvious, 70% of the votes will probably go to DAP now based on the feedback of the people. Gerakan would only get one MP seat in Simpang Renggam because the other seat, Gerik, will have to be returned to UMNO in the next general election.

Q 5. Would Gerakan  be better able to contribute to the establishment of a more fair and equal society, which is our our ideals,  inside or outside of BN?

The answer to question 5 would depend on whether UMNO reforms or not. I have already mentioned in my earlier article , Gack to the grassroots, that if ZAid Ibrahim cannot change UMNO, outside party cannot expect to change it, especailly viewing UMNO in the context of the Ahmad Ismail episode. So if UMNO cannot be changed, the answer to Q 5 would be, Gerakan would contribute to change more effectively by staying outside of BN.

Q6. Would history consider Gerakan more kindly if it goes out now or if it continues to support a regime full of corruption, abuses, leakages?

The answer is again obvious, historians would have a better view of a party that move decisively away from a regime that has compromised most of the Malaysian Institutions, including judiciary.

Another oft mentioned reason is Gerakan would be split if it moves out of BN. One way to minimise the split is to call for a referendum to let grasssroots decide whether the party should remain in or go out of BN.  The members will of course have to abide by the majority position. If 70 % of members want to leave, the other 30% will have to close rank and support the decision. In this way, the chances of a split will be smaller. (read my post : Back to the grassroots, Gerakan)

If it remains inside, there are already signs of many members leaving the party, which is an indirect form of splitting, and which will result in the party having generals and few foot soldiers as I have  mentioned in my earlier articles. The longer the leaders drag their foot, the weaker will be the party.

 I will use once again Dr Lim CHong Eu’s example to motivate members not to be too disheartened. DR Lim won Penang with little recources, with only few cadres, but most of them loyal and faithful to the party ideology.. (read my post:  Time for Gerakan to regain credibility).

The grassroots will have to see further than our leaders. The leaders are thinking only of the next GE. We have to see beyond one or 2 GEs. We can do it small and bid our time, and we can also,  in the meantime, combine with like-minded forces in East or West Malaysia to slowly rebuild the party. I am confident that , given a time span of 10 to 15 years, Gerakan can slowly rebrand itself into a credible party between 2 the bigger coalitions.

It is no longer a question about whether members are emotional or not. It is rather a question of leaders having the will and determination to do it alone outside of BN.

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A square peg in a round hole

55 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Killi Valavan
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 14:45:43

    maybe KTK afraid of the situation sitting as an ally with DAP folks whom were rival for a long time …. But when comes to a party it’s people’s call rather than president’s call in certain scenarios .

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  2. gofortruth
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 14:56:24

    Even with the referendum, there will still be some die hard “opportunists” who will stick to UMNO for obvious reason.

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  3. Abdul
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:12:36

    Dr,

    Having looked at all aspects of Gerekan leaving BN, ONE thing that comes into my mind is that Gerakan fears that they may lose out in Pakatan and they also fear that they not get “strong footing.” First of all, Gerakan has no strong footing in BN today. All they get is humiliation and torn apart pictures and unprintable names and ISA threats. So, that idea is misplaced. Secondly, by moving out of BN today, Gerekan will get a moral footing to demand much more from Pakatan than it can get it from them later when they form the Federal Govt. Because Anwar will simply persuade all Umno MPs (most of the plausible ones of course) to move to PKR and he will not need Gerekan. However, today, Gerekan can demand much more knowing the “shaky” position of Pakatan. However, since they fear that they might not get enough space and positions, let Tan Sri Dr. Koh Tsu Koon meet with Anwar secretly or use Chinese intermediaries (like PKR Chinese VP and MPs or Chinese Intellectuals who are in love with Anwar today) and get his deal. Anwar would appoint KTK as a Senator and a Minister, one Assistant Minister (for the Wanita Chief) and another Parliamentary Secretary which Anwar would have to create since he needs to accomdate many people (for now). Those who are refusing Gerekan to leave Umno (bcoz there is nothing called BN) are the beneficiries of the Umno largesse but who fail to understand that Gerakan paid a dear price bcoz of them. By quitting Umno and either becoming Independent like SAPP (which secretly supports DSAI) or joining Pakatan outrightly, Gerakan will get a moral standing and will have a strong footing for the 13th General Election. The seats will be divided fairly and Gerekan will either be given Penang back or given a strong Perak position or a strong Selangor position, apart from Melaca and Johor which Gerakan will benefit from since there will be equitable sharing of seats. Any delay will harm Gerakan and its strategic position and moral standing. Finally, if KTK insists on being with Umno, then he will wake up one day and find that Gerakan is an empty shell as the members who have built it through toil, tears and blood over 4 decades have left and joined parties with similar idealogies. The ball is in his court. Continue demanding accountability and I hope Gerekan will make the riht choice soon.

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  4. Abdul
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:24:31

    Dr,

    The Malaysian Insider (though I don’t like whores like Baradan Kappusamy who dirty it with their bunkum), reports that Titiwangsa and Cheras Umno Division leaders have nominated Najib and Muhyiddin respectively as ” the Najib-Muhyiddin team would strengthen the Ketuanan Melayu ideal.”

    You see now? You know where Umno is headed. All the ugly and the unacceptable faces of Umno (Mahathir, Najis, Muhyiddin, Kerismuddin, Ahmad Ismail, Apdal and a bunch of hopeless elements) have united to do unspeakable damage to the nation and its people. Can Gerakan afford to stay the course with such despicable people? He whoever has ears let him hear.

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/9759–two-divisions-to-nominate-najib-muhyiddin-for-top-posts

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  5. gofortruth
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:39:25

    Anyway, it doesn’t take long to conduct a Referendum does it? Just do it and disclose the result together with the party internal election result and stop gropping in the dark.

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  6. Dr Hsu
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:48:39

    Thanks abdul for the link. I hope our leadership can see this.

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  7. CYC
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 15:59:57

    Abdul’s comment has nailed down Gerakan’s procrastination. They end up no where within BN but a screwed up idiots. What change are they talking about when your captain was slapped left and right by a tiny local chief. KTK brought shame to Gerakan rather than enhance its image. He become irrelevant so as Gerakan. To continue harping on the pro and cons of remain or leave BN itself is topic of discussion for those who live in dream land. What’s the use of some many scholars and professors but can’t solve simply riddles. Pity Tun Lim Chong Eu , he should not witness the present sorry state of Gerakan but he also share partial blame for picking a soft and idealist successor in KTK. However, Tun Lim C E remains a leader and politician worthy of respect.

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  8. A true Malaysian
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 16:26:18

    Abdul,

    To me, the purpose of convincing Gerakan to pull out from BN is more of ‘moral’ ground rather on fears that they may lose out in Pakatan.

    Gerakan is not significant to me now even if they pull out from BN. My ‘not significant’ means they are not expected to win back Penang or any other seats. But at least, Gerakan shall ‘survive’ and given time to prove their ‘worth’, Malaysian shall give due respect they once had, especially Penangites.

    Gerakan should pull out from BN, becomes an ‘Independence’ party and present itself as an ‘alternative’ to Pakatan Rakyat. If Gerakan can do that, it can regain its former ‘glory’.

    BN is dying, for sure.

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  9. A true Malaysian
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 17:01:07

    Dr. Hsu,

    I read the link sent by Abdul.

    On moral ground, leader transition should not be determine by 2 men or Supreme Council. AGM should not be deferred.

    Such move is not being fair to others who intend to contest, definitely not fair to those in division level, branch level and grassroots. Not forgetting also, non-Umno members at large.

    PM and DPM of Malaysia should not be decided this way.

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  10. Kenny Gan
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 18:53:34

    Gerakan members mist force a referendum in their Oct General Assembly on whether to leave or stay with BN.

    Gerakan leaders will do their utmost to forestall this because they are content to be beggars in BN. Koh Tsu Koon’s favourite line is, “don’t get emotional”.

    I would like to ask KTK. Which is more emotional – to cling on to a failed and abusive relationship with no hope of improvement or to boldly walk out of the relationship into a brave new world?

    Gerakan members, make your stand!

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  11. klm
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 18:53:53

    It is easy to put forward arguments to stay in BN.
    It take leadership to make a significant change like leavng BN. I am afraid Koh Tsu Koon do not have to calibre to be a leader and make the tough decision. That is why Gerakan is what it is.

    To have any meaning in the future, Gerakan members must vote in a new presidident. More of Koh Tsu Koon will damage irreparably. That is the next step for Gerakan.

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  12. omo
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 19:06:22

    Gerakan has been around for many years but what has Gerakan done for the rakyat? Gerakan – it is neither multi raicial and has been tainted with ex MCA members and being servant to UMNO and quiet in ISA – Operation Lalang, Bank Bumi Scandal and many other sacndals. Now most leaders leap frog to PKR with a chance to be in porominent positions again.

    Gerakan is a party without much struggle and principles like DAP which somehow stick to some moral principles.

    Therefore, if Gerakan wishes to be independent party, it will die a slow death like Pekemas under Dr Tan Cheen Khoon.

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  13. Dalbinder Singh Gill
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 20:18:54

    You havent answered me Dr.Hsu

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  14. int
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 21:43:33

    “Q6. Would history consider Gerakan more kindly if it goes out now or if it continues to support a regime full of corruption, abuses, leakages?”

    Aha!

    That confirms what I have been suspecting for some time.

    This isn’t about Malaysia.

    This isn’t about doing what’s right.

    This is about saving face. Saving your legacy.

    The very real danger is that especially since Sept 16th fizzled out, Anwar Ibrahim would be even more desperate to have Gerakan leave BN and join Pakatan. That would provide him a boost of momentum. And that would also provide him with the familiar old levers and control switches that were used for years to pit Gerakan and MCA against each other, except this time it would be Gerakan and DAP.

    The honorable thing to do is to let Gerakan RIP, it’s membership can do as they wish, joining other parties, joining/forming NGOs, or taking a wait-and-see approach. From there, honor can be regained. It can be re-EARNED.

    For the sake of the country, please disband Gerakan. Perjuanganmu sudah selesai.

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  15. Dr Hsu
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 22:07:16

    Dalbinder, I do not know what questions you have asked me. WOuld you kindly enough to ask again, maybe your comments went to the spam?

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  16. Kenny Gan
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 22:22:33

    “Neither are we saying we will definitely leave. It’s something we need to assess but we cannot do it based on sentiments alone,” he told reporters after launching the KL-Federal Territory (FT) state delegates conference here on Sunday.

    Koh Tsu Koon adds:

    “If you go on sentiments alone, I would say more than 60% (want us to leave), but we are taking a lot of factors into consideration, and a decision cannot be based just on sentiments.

    “It’s a very trying time, and there is need for a lot of rational, objective analysis. It cannot be a straightforward simplistic decision,” he said.
    ——————-

    To me, this sounds like KTK is trying hard to find and justify all sorts of reasons to stay in BN.

    Koh, Gerakan has been sodomized by BN for all the years you’ve been Chief Minister of Penang. Have some dignity, just pull up your trousers and go!

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  17. Dr Hsu
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 22:27:07

    int, actually it does not matter to me whether the party can get any seats or have to be disbanded as long as Gerakan’s ideology can be perpetuated by another party….

    But I mentioned Q6 because i sensed that some of the top leaders care how history look at them especially for the debacle they encountered in the 12 GE.

    That is why initially i said I asked 2 more questions, but to make sure that these leaders who care how history look at them, i put in Q6. Of course they are the very top .The not so top would not bother how history look at them.

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  18. badenglish
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 22:32:18

    Put up a new leader to challenge KTK. Will you be willing to support ?

    Anyway, 40% ruling the 60%. If you ask more question Dr, it will be 20% ruling the 80%.

    Why 40% or 20% ? Perhaps, they have so much to loose giving up on BN now as they are currently enjoying some exclusive membership. This so called 20 or 40% does not care for the party survival. The party is at the ICU and near demised already. They just want to enjoy the property of their “fathers”.

    I will encourage all these leaders to stand in front of the mirror and ask themselves… What is the main vision of Gerakan. If their answer does not contain words like Non Racial, Fair and Just Society then they need to ask themself what they are in Gerakan for.

    If their answers contained these words, they have to ask themselves whether they are contributing towards that direction ?

    The waves of change is already moving. If you decide to move 1 or 2 years later (refer to your Penang Youth Chief comment. He must still be honeymoning for being the new chief), all the voters (800,000) of them will abandon you in the next GE together with the existing 600,000 voters. This is what happened exactly in 308. The existing leaders have been notified that this is coming via the internet but they choose to ignore. Some of your candidates even called the bloggers funny names.

    The party is really at critical stage. Either you send in new leaders to take on KTK and the rest of his CC or don’t hope for changes to happen in the near future.

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  19. Gary Yeoh
    Sep 29, 2008 @ 23:15:33

    Dr Hsu,

    I understand your additional questions and even your suggested answers. It is admirable for you to hold on to “Gerakan Ideology”. Sadly, it’s been so tarnished by the shenanigans of flawed leadership for so long that it’s hard to even really see what its ideology is.

    I was a young supporter of Gerakan in 1975 before I left Malaysia. Sadly, I don’t see the party having any interests of the rakyat as its ideology anymore. Politics and UMNO servitude seems to have taken hold. Otherwise, why the agonizing over leaving BN. Is it the fear of loss of negotiated tenders a factor?

    How much more abuse of ISA for political expediency will Gerakan members take before they kick out their so call leaders that have slept in their posts? How much more abuse do you wish to take from your “big brother”?

    It is time for all right thinking Malaysians to reject UMNO dominated politics. It is time to set aside fears and prejudices between opposition parties. Our nation’s ability to nurture a budding democracy, that had been stunted since the raise of BN, depends on bringing in a more democratic parliament. Our parliament is a joke. Opposition MPs are not treated with respect in Parliament. We don’t even have a Speaker of the House. What we have is a Speaker for UMNO. Federal Government gets away with unfair treatment of State Governments from PR.

    What Gerakan ideology could justify what we now have? When I campaigned against DAP in support of Gerakan back then, I could feel that was a fight for a more secure future for citizens than the rantings DAP had to offer. Now, the fight against PR seems to be for a more secure future for the cronies as BN has come to represent.

    In time (5 to 10 years?), the establishing of independent parties that the public can choose between “ideologies” may make sense.

    For now, I believe Malaysians must stand up to bring back democracy. That to me must be bringing down the arrogant and self-serving UMNO/BN. Yes, it means a period of uncertainty as new leaders works out the future. I would rather take that chance knowing that at least we can have a second chance of building a Bangsa Malaysia as opposed to what BN has turned this country to.

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  20. Frank
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 00:18:22

    By fearing that the voters won’t support Gerakan and KTK prefers to stay in BN to seek ‘asylum’, it only makes Gerakan look very cheap and trivia in the eyes of Umno! Umno goons will hence look down upon Gerakan as a arse-licking bug, knowing nowhere else the bug can go but to clinch to their dog arse, sniffing farts! At the end of the day, Gerakan will doom to be the same destiny like SAPP be scoffed at a nuisance, such as AAB had barked out upon SAPP’s denouncement from BN!

    Instead of asking how much the rakyat can offer in votes, Koh Tzu Koon should ask how many cards UMNO can shuffle, how much extent Umno can listen and lend their ears to change? Using this as the chips won is believed to be more convincing of gaining the voters’ respects and supports in the next GE ! By being a parasite bug as it is, Gerakan is sure of wrapping up itself a mummy and entomb in no time!

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  21. romerz
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 02:11:25

    Dr Hsu,

    Check your email and you may reproduce it here if you wish. After all KTK no longer listens to what I say anymore.

    By the way, please allow me to seek publicity from your blog for a trip to Kamunting on 2 October, 2nd day of Raya.

    http://romerz.blogspot.com/2008/09/hari-raya-visit-to-kamunting.html

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  22. chauncey gardener
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 02:33:16

    Gerakan should hold the referendum amongst its members whether to stay in the BN or not. A straight forward YES or NO vote.

    There should be no rejoinders saying yes, but … or no, only if….

    Seeking additional time or waiting for events or policies to change merely indicates weakness within.

    If Gerakan elects to exit and later find that there is utility in re-joining BN, then they should address it again then.

    If the referendum elects to stay, then individual members can make their own decisions after that.

    Until such time, it is really pointless for the Gerakan leadership to make any other major poltical decision.

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  23. Meng
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 03:05:07

    It is very confusing why Gerakan is still undecided in their decision to leave BN.
    Being openly told by those idiots:

    “As a leader, he must be responsible to the coalition. He needs to set the course for Gerakan and make his position clear. After all, a fish rots from the head down,” said Penang Umno liaison committee deputy chairman Datuk Abdul Rashid Abdullah.

    “I regret that we have parti perosak (party spoilers) within Barisan. These factions can leave if they want to,” The Star online quoted him as saying.””(M2day)

    With this statement, can Gerakan leaders walk with their heads high or like dogs still waiting to smell umno’s farts.??? just like MCA who has lost their balls.

    Now we have Malacca CM slamming Chua on NEP..will the present MCA leaders speak up for Chua..will be interesting to watch how far they can go??

    Another interesting write up at http://sakmongkol.blogspot.com/2008/09/political-whodunit-3.html

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  24. Mike
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 08:52:31

    If Gerakan clings on to BN, it will become Gelakan in the near future.

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  25. int
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 09:41:27

    “int, actually it does not matter to me whether the party can get any seats or have to be disbanded as long as Gerakan’s ideology can be perpetuated by another party….”

    Dr Hsu, I’m very happy that you said that. I think I have said in a comment on your blog before that there ought to be a difference between Gerakan the party and Gerakan the movement. Provided the stalwarts of the movement can find some way to express the ideology of the movement besides direct political power, then alls well.

    But I’m not convinced that this can happen, especially given Gerakan’s history. By your own words, Gerakan once decided to “temporarily” set aside it’s core values in order to secure some political power to express it’s ideology through policy and governance. The “stick to your guns, never back down” pedigree is not there in Gerakan, unlike in the DAP (despite DAP’s other failings).

    And we are here today because the “temporary pragmatism” approach has clearly failed.

    I am very nervous about what Gerakan (the party) does now, because I think there is a very real risk of “one step forward two steps back”, as I mentioned in my comment above.

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  26. jck
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 12:24:19

    From a neutral outsider’s perspective, Gerakan’s dilemma is no different from those of an abused wife. Having invested over decades of commitment in a relationship which is obviously unfair and compromising, chosing to leave it behind means starting anew. And that can be petrifying after many years of submissiveness and and “sweet surrender”.

    The crucial question now is whether politics is about being taken for a ride by a pimp of a husband to the brothel to pay his dues or to exercise one’s freewill in pursuing one’s own ideal.

    I see no dilemma because I have not wasted my youth in supporting a false cause and been made impure through compromise and greed. Now, Gerakan should hesistate not a moment longer and take decisive action to start a new life…one where its conscience is once again clear and hope is abundant.Do not wait until on the deadbed it lie…wishing to have a second life. This is the real life, not a video game where there is the option of replay.

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  27. Vijay Kumar Murugavell
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 12:37:54

    It is my belief that an independent and free Gerakan (without BN shackles) would make a formidable opposition, dont forget even with Pakatan rule we still need a competent opposition for democracy to flourish.
    BN specifically UMNO have proven that they are not only poor at ruling,
    they make a half past six opposition too, look no further than Selangor and the pathetic issues brought up by Khir Toyo as the opposition leader.
    cannot rule , cannot even oppose efectively, I dont even know if he is a competent dentist.

    Gerakan can fulfill the much needed role of an effective and constructive opposition, and if they can prove themselves, as with any democracy, the people will give them a bigger mandate..

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  28. Mr Smith
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 13:27:44

    Honestly, whether Gerakan lives or dies makes no difference whatsoever to Malaysian politics.

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  29. Frank
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 13:54:33

    Vijay Kumar,

    You got the point! In fact, Gerakan’s forefathers were all strong oppositional fighters who had won the State Administration with the opposition stance during the 60’s. Even they had joined BN, during the reign of Tun Lim, he had seldom compromised with Umno and continued to rule Penang based on his ideology! Only until the Penangites had been lured into the plot of toppling him, the present Gerakan leaderships had been changed and re-invented by Umno, where supposedly KTK and few others to have had missioned to change BN from within the coalition party!

    Since they had failed, KTK is the only remaining musketeer in BN and it’s since a verdict that he is incapable of changing anything to propel the Gerakan ideology in BN, for BN now is a capsized titanic, most of the grassroots are aware of the dreary situation and calling for retrospection of the forefathers ‘philosophy of political struggle’ to be reviewed, to go back to the fundamental of being the opposition again! This is not only fulfilling the will of most of the Penangites, but also fulfilling the so-called ideology of the Party.

    But KTK has his own agenda up his sleeve, perhaps he’s thinking of his own career politically. He is putting the Party and the people’s well-beings secondary, in his mind Umno is democratic enough, he prefers to continue listen to the hocus pocus of Umno rhetoric, he believes that Umno is still the influential master to be capable of reinstalling him to the previous glory, he has the same ideal as the MCA goon OKC, they both in their fantasy still day dream of Umno is their ideal partner, the best dog-trainer that can give them a caressing pat on the heads when they are behaving the obedient good dogs!

    Lets see how far can they go when after we the true masters desert these two useless watchdogs, when they can no longer teeth in the bones to the dog-trainer, they will still be of value and usefulness to the dogmatic Umno?!

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  30. sbbe
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 14:03:41

    if they tear yr photo, still nothing, next could they tear yr car door? and next?? dont know lah !!
    So why wait,?? just leave lah !

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  31. Peter Yew
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 14:08:04

    Dr Hsu,

    Of all BN component parties (except SAPP that has already decided to leave BN), Gerakan is the only party that seriously deliberate its future status. I consider this very admirable and matured but doing it now rather than when BN was strong sound like pulling out the sword when the opponent is down on the ground. But at least Dr KTK do have the moral courage to bring out this pertinent issue whatever we may criticize him for. I do not see MCA or MIC having the same thinking or courage. Personally, I see every component parties in BN are in for selfish gains, whatever they may say in their manifestoes. None have the moral courage to leave for the sake of standing firm to their moral beliefs. In that sense Zaid Ibrahim is to be lauded.

    What if only 60% agree to leave and the rest stay put or form another party to stay within BN? It is normal for it to happen. Whether it is the party or the members who leave, the point is do not stay in immoral alliance to a coalition that failed to serve the rakyat and caused you distress. No one can force you to stay if you don’t want to. Politicians must have a fervent moral obligation to leave when they know it is not right to stay. Such attitudes provide a continual cleansing process to keep a coalition government true to its promises to serve the rakyat.

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  32. Killi Valavan
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 14:15:22

    whether GR is will join force with PR or be independent is secondary . The primary objective is to have it out of BN . That would be good enough for time being.

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  33. klm
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 14:33:19

    I think you will agree that KTK is the one who want to stay in BN. By doing that, he is holding hostage the desire of the members and the legacy
    of the founding fathers of the party.

    Retarting again, outside BN, and holding strong of its ideology, I think Gerakan is the Party for the 21st Century Malaysia. Gerakan was ahead of it time. It got seduced by the dark force of politics.
    Now, it is the time for re-birth.

    Members of Gerakan, the future is in your hand.

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  34. Tirath
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 15:12:43

    “That would be good enough for time being.”

    The “for time being” mentality is exactly what made Gerakan what it is today.

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  35. desmond
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 15:18:00

    I fully concur with your many posts which suggest that Gerakan leaves the BN. As also noted by you, the chances are next to nil for UMNO to reform itself to be more acceptable and amenable to the wishes of the rakyat.

    I also understand that you are a member of Gerakan. Would it be an examplary of you to also make the move out of Gerakan; to set the ball rolling; as they say.

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  36. klm
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 15:39:53

    The Star reported : Chia Kwang Chye not contesting in party elections.

    Does this mean no more competition for KTK?

    And is he leaving for PKR?

    Dr. Hsu. What is your take on this ?

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  37. klm
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 15:40:47

    Forgot to Add:

    This will break one point of the Iron Traingle!

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  38. Dr Hsu
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 16:23:53

    klm, my take is that CHia will be appointed to some positions in the Central committee, most probably vice president. There is provisions for the president to appoint 6 CC and some VPs, in Gerakan.

    If chia is dropped completely, it might lead to a split in the party as Chia has been the CEO for so many years.

    The president would have no choice but to accomodate him.

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  39. A true Malaysian
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 16:31:13

    Koh Tsu Koon is not an effective leader of Gerakan. His style is more or less same as Pak Lah. Once Pak Lah gone, Koh Tsu Koon will be gone as well.

    Koh Tsu Koon failed in his original plan to change BN from within, instead, he was being ‘changed’ within BN.

    Gerakan is in trouble even if it is out of BN now as there is no effective leader to head the party. Even if it is still with BN, Gerakan will be marginalised for sure. Gerakan will be overshadowed by MCA under Ong Tee Keat.

    Looking into the present circumstances, it seems it is better for Gerakan to be disbanded.

    MCA under Ong Tee Keat will become a stronger party. Who knows, Ong will lead MCA to be out of BN. Ong Tee Keat will be elected as President of MCA, no doubt about it.

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  40. klm
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 16:58:28

    Ahh!. That means KTK is sure to be president of Gerakan.

    “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark”

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  41. Kenny Gan
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 17:51:04

    There’s no need for Gerakan to be disbanded. Unlike KTK, it must look beyond the next election. The future stretches far ahead and good times may come back but Gerakan can only start building back its strength after leaving BN. In BN it will continue to hemorrhage support and members. As for the future, there’s always a role for a party with solid roots and good ideology.

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  42. Artic Turban
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 18:20:49

    The story of Gerakan can be summed up with this analogy.
    Once upon a time Gerakan was a hungry crafty, young tough wolf which lived in the wilderness. It used its skill and craftiness to hunt and feed its family.
    One day the wolf met a generous hunter who slowly but surely befended it. First by leaving the left over carcass for the wolf to feed on. Now as time went on the wolf found it was easier to wait for leftovers from the hunter than to go hunt and waste all that energy for nothing. As time went by, the wolf became very docile to the hunter and slowly brought out its family members to feed from the hunters hands. One day the wolf with its family just decided to follow the hunter back home and became his wild pet. This way they could hunt together and feed together. THIS BECAME THE ‘WIN- WIN’ situation, to both parties. Everyone is hleading a Happy life.

    Fast forward, a few generations later the descendants of the first wolf have become domesticated ‘pet dogs’ of the descendants of the hunter. Now the grand-children of the hunter have grown up with the ‘pet dogs’ all their lives, and since the hunter has extended family and there is now a demand for all the parts of the wild animals caught, intestines now can make sausages, heads can be mounted etc. The hunter just gives scraps and dog food to the “wolf-dogs’, who are no more proud hunter omegas but scimperring pathetic scrawny dogs. They have been domesticated by the hunter UMNO, and subject to kickS from family members or friends of the hunter who came visiting.
    One day the youngest ‘dog’ has had one too many kicks and wants to run away but is afraid to as he is too timid, domesticated and scared of the wild wonder out there. Whichever way the it looks at it, it is too comfortable with the “easy” life it has with the hunter, sleep by the warm fire, no sleeping in the rain,snow, sleeet and living in caves or competing with other predators.

    One day a tsunami struck the home of the hunter while he was out hunting and the area was devasted, family members and the neighbouring farms were lost, wiped out. The farmer is facing tough times and can’t feed his surviving members of his family as the tsunami has also wiped out the animals in the low-lying districts. lest of all whanever there is food they are not giving it to their pet dogs and the Gerakan- exwolf-now pet dog- pariah dog, is being ignored and is starving.
    NOW THE CONCLUSION SHOULD THE DOG STAY AND STARVE OR SHOULD HE GO BACK TO THE WILD, HE KNOWS HE WILL HAVE TO RELEARN HOW TO HUNT ON HIS OWN, BUT THE INSTINCT TO HUNT IS STILL IN THE GENES, NO DOUBT RUSTY BUT MANAGEBLE. MOST IMPORTANTLY THE REVERTED WOLF DOESN’T HAVE TO FEEL THE FOOT OF ANYBODY, IT MAY SUFFER BUT IT WILL SURVIVE TO BECOME A PROUD WOLF. LIKE HIS PRESENT DAY NEIGHBOOR, called Pas, which went through the same domestication, but was kicked out for growling too much or being demanding from the same hunter. So the Moral of this tale and in case you still did not get it,

    Wolf / pet dog/ nuisance-Pariah dog= GERAKAN
    HUNTER = UMNO
    Neighbor wolf = Pas
    Tsunami = March 8 2008 Election

    Kicks from neighbors and visitors = kicks from all the khairys and Ahmad ismails and their cousins

    So the choice is very simple for GERAKAN, Stay and starve or die one day from too hard a kick to a vital point or suffer in the wilderness, but SURVIVE, RE-INVENT, RELEARN OLD INSTINCTS & SKILLS, become a LEAN MEAN HUNGRY MACHINE, AN OMEGA WOLF ONCE AGAIN, OR DIE IN A HEAP IN THE CORNER, DISCARDED LIKE RUBBISH, TAKEN FOR GRANTED, BUT IN REALITY A DEAD DOG WITH NO FUTURE OR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
    SO what would you do because this is the reality Gerakan has left to itself, the choise no doubt hard at first but will definatly be better in the long run. Don’t forget those who want to stay in BN with their ‘MASTER’ UMNO HAVE LED A VERY CUSHY COMFORTABLE LIFE and have most to loose especially all the lucrative contracts and permits and land alienation as shown in the bandar utama exposee.

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  43. jughead
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 19:29:25

    JBJ of former Singapore Worker Party has just pass away. Look at his record of struggle and against the might of PAP. As for Gerakan – where is your record? Only knows how to take easy life. Gerakan has given more than 30 years of ruling and what have they produce? They waste half a generation of Malaysian life. Ideology is liken to the bible, koran or any holy book. What is the point when one does not follow them. In the end is all talk about ideology and does the reverse and one can see how many founders have left the party.

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  44. klm
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 19:57:16

    Gerakan is getting very sensitive to this subject.

    “Teng: Gerakan’s prerogative to stay or leave BN”

    – in respond to yesteday Umno’s comment. He belittle the umno person as a small fry, and practically asked him to shut up.

    Nasty Teng. The UMNO statement must have hit sombody’s ulcer. Ouch!

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  45. Tatatititutu
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 21:38:13

    As a Penangite, I am proud for having done my part to put PGRM into its present position, i.e. Separuh MATI or to be more precise Hampir MATI. If 60% feels that PGRM should leave UMNO, why is KSK still dittering. Ever heard of majority rules ?

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  46. EvanAlmighty
    Sep 30, 2008 @ 23:06:52

    Dear Dr.,

    Gerakan and others non-bumi BN parties should leave BN. They should put more efforts to form a alliance with min. total number of 40 – 50 MPs. A leader should be appointed to cordinate all the parties under the alliance.

    The alliance can still work with UMNO to form the Government. With enough bargin power, then only we talk how we can change UMNO. Otherwise, with only Gerakan alone or MCA alone, we do not expect any change will take place.

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  48. klm
    Oct 01, 2008 @ 14:24:43

    Here is my take on the lastest events.

    1. KTK will win Gerakan presidential election without compeititon

    2. He will appoint his own people to CWC

    3. He will decide Gerakan will not move out of BN

    At end of all this. KTK will be appointed Senator and appointed Minister of Something.

    End of Story

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  49. jason
    Oct 02, 2008 @ 00:17:55

    yes i do agreed everywhere is a some question.

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  50. jason
    Oct 02, 2008 @ 00:19:22

    BN is not equal to UMNO, why we never ask the UMNO to leave BN ?

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  51. looes74
    Oct 03, 2008 @ 11:37:11

    Dear Evan,
    What make you think that with that preposition that you propose, you can change UMNO. The Great LKY can’t even change UMNO when Singapore was in Malaysia. You tell me you can with that Alliance.
    Forget it lah!

    Dear Guys,
    For me, I would rather spend my time helping parties especially DAP to grow stronger. In Malaysia politics, DAP is the only party that comes clean and stay through its course. That’s not my opinion. You can always ask Tunku Aziz who has monitored DAP for 20 years.
    Penang has lost great opportunities when they place too much hopes on Gerakan. Judging from the 7 months’ administration In Penang, Perak and Selangor, DAP is far more effective in good and effective governance.
    I say just let Gerakan die and move over to PR component parties especially DAP. I have seen DAP has constantly reforming and adopting over the years without compromising its stand. Regardless of the shortcomings of that party, I can forsee with good people in place, it would go far.
    If Tan Chee Koon (Founding father of Gerakan) and its son (Tan Tee Kwong) has left nong nong time ago, perhaps, Gerakan members should

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  52. looes74
    Oct 03, 2008 @ 11:51:39

    Tatatititutu,
    PGRM is already dieded. It should have been dieded in 1990 general election. And now, the new government have to pick up the shit.
    Worst still, some say that the same shitty people can take up Penang leadership in 2 terms. What makes me even more fuming that they (some Gerakan folks) have the cheek to tell Karpal to sayonara soon after 12GE.
    I am truly speechless. I don’t want these clowns to take over the Penang leadership. Period. Better still, like what RSN Nayer said in the Penang state assembly, one should give the Penang State Assembly a clean sweep. Just as what PAP has done after Singapore independence or ouster from Malaysia

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  53. jughead
    Oct 03, 2008 @ 18:48:00

    All those leaders in Gerakan have easy life and interested in the Government service. They never vehemtly speak out and therefore they can NEVER speak out against UMNO. They can only tell us that they speak behind closed doors and actullay nothing happen. Just look at Dr Tan of Segambut. During the parliament, he was told off by UMNO members. Unlike the being the the opposition, they can raise their voice as they have been cornered before. Look how Pro Ramasamy was victimised and decided to fight for the down trodden ones unlike Gerakan

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  54. jck
    Oct 04, 2008 @ 00:35:24

    Judging by the recent developments, I predict that the Gerakan leadership will remain incapable of stepping out of the box. Its top echelon leaders will play the game of wait and see, trying to be the tail that wags the dog , hoping to gain a little more political mileage on their fast fading careers.

    Meanwhile, its members will migrate to both PKR and DAP to support their true cause. At the same time it will fail to gain new members for obvious reasons…..who wants to be associated with a party of losers and worse still, cowards.

    It irks me endlessly to see such pathetic self-interest. A true democrat would surely see the obvious path to take. Therefore, be prepared to be wiped out entirely in the next general election,that is if it can sustain itself until then.I shall now bid you an early farewell. Thank you for the memories of once when you were young and brave. Adios GERAKAN !

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  55. fragile
    Oct 05, 2008 @ 10:52:36

    ktk does not get emotional wen an umno chief steps on his photo on national tv.
    but surely gerakan members have more dignity than that?
    or r they waiting 4 another umno guy 2 step on their president’s face b4 it dawns on them?
    gerakan members, show more backbone than your president.
    he has reasons 4 staying- he owes umno 2 much n has 2 many skeletons that umno can use 2 threaten him.
    gerakan members, what do you owe umno?

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