MACC – wait and see

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I have been very vocal on the setting up of an Independent Commission to fight corruption, in my blog as well as in meetings. (just type ICAC in this blog ‘s search machine, and you will get more than 10 articles listed).

I have even drawn up a proposed organisation chart for an ICAC in one of my earlier post. ( As shown above).

Corruption is the evil of society; it not only adds cost to doing business, but more importantly, it corrupts the power that be , and once corruption becomes a culture, enforcement, governing  and award of projects will become selective, in favour of those who pay.  The whole system then revolves around money, and nothing works anymore without money.

So I welcome the setting up of the proposed Malaysian Anti Corruption Comission. Howewver imperfect it may be , the fact that even some BN legislators are not too happy about its wider power means that this could be a real improvement over the old ACA.

Malaysiakini quoted  Nazri’s claim that that the setting up of a bi-partisan Special Committee on Corruption, among other mechanisms, is a reflection of the government’s determination to battle graft. Even Anwar was quoted by Malaysiakini to give conditional support.

It could have been even better if this MACC can have its own prosecution power and a prosecution department, so that it becomes truly free from outside meddling. ( as in my diagram above).

Much will now depend on the power that be whether this is going to be truly independent or whether this is just a cosmetic change over the old ACA.

We will have to wait and see..

73 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. A true Malaysian
    Dec 16, 2008 @ 21:06:29

    Dr. Hsu,

    I wish to repeat, to play the role of a grandmother.

    Forget whatever reform bills.

    GET RID OF THE ROOT CAUSE.

    No true reform so long as the root cause is there. Don’t play games with the root cause.

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  2. Justin Choo
    Dec 16, 2008 @ 22:41:48

    A True Malaysian,
    What “root cause”?

    Hehehehehe!!!

    Root beer??

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  3. Justin Choo
    Dec 16, 2008 @ 22:44:34

    Sorry Doc,

    But the above is a serious joke with underlying serious message.

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  4. Dr Hsu
    Dec 16, 2008 @ 23:19:36

    Yes, we all know who is the root cause. Throw them out if they do not reform at the next election. Get the message clear and loud so that the more conscientious components can realise and pull out. The public must help the lone voices inside these component paties to voice out this message loud and clear,

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  5. Meng
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 00:42:54

    It will not work? Only the small fish would be caught and the big ones free.
    Or shall I say selective arrest.

    Malaysian Culture: “”Loyalty to the one who provide your salary and Do not bite the hand that feed you””

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  6. monsterball
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 08:45:28

    Tunku Ahmad Rithauddeen said….the root cause is spread all over….from top to bottom.
    I say….part of the encouragements are…by.. supplier of women by.. those Chinese pimps..balls carriers…Indian love poem writer….of MCA…Gerakan and MIC.
    There is no root cause…..from one party.
    Greed is the word!!
    Doc keep exposing unfairness…focusing on UMNO…with total disregard to him…supporting the root cause too.
    Need I say everything..all over again…and get Doc to response….same reasons?
    Hi Doc…Gerakan is one of the root cause la.

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  7. monsterball
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 08:58:59

    I boil alot of roots to drink…giving me Voom power!!
    Not cheap though.
    Justin always inspire me to comment.
    I love to read more root causes from so many wise men…..ignoring their contributions to the very root cause…we are talking about.
    Are they blind?
    This is not a joke!!

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  8. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 10:27:29

    If root cause is the one who moot reform, do you think these reforms are sincere?

    Do you think they will clean their dirty linen in public through the ‘reformed’ justice, MACC, AG and so on?

    I don’t see these as ‘real improvements’ if these reformed agencies are still not impartial, discretionary, under purview of PM and so on. Once ‘tainted’, it is end of story, not recyclable.

    Don’t waste time, GET RID THE ROOT CAUSE, not root bear, Justin.

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  9. CYC
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 10:32:45

    Major change will never occur without revolution. Revolution comes in many forms. Tangible and intangible, you decide the route.

    Intention dictates the possible outcome of your action. So, whatever amendments or introduction of new law or legislation shall be judged from this perspective. The present government will cast a safety net first not to expose their weakness or wrong doings before targeting the law breakers. Just like emphasis on defend rather than striking goals in football match. The end result is : no improvement on merits but struggling to maintain status quo.

    Doc, don’t complain as you decided to be a bystander in politics without really being in the middle of the battle ground. However, not bad as a social awareness activist at least. I salute you.

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  10. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 10:48:10

    Very simple, can you entrust a :-

    ‘half-reformed’ thief to catch a thief?

    ‘half-reformed’ AG to prosecute his masters?

    ‘half-reformed’ MCAC with no power to prosecute & let ‘half-reformed’ AG to prosecute (in his discretion)?

    The answers all point to ‘NO’, so?

    Justin, if I can ‘get rid of the cause’, I will belanja you root bear. Anyone can drink root bear, Muslim friends inclusive.

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  11. monsterball
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 11:07:38

    There is no such thing as ‘half reform” person…but half dead ….half hearted…yes.
    50 years crooks…..you call them… half reformed?
    Those buggers….putting out half hearted anti corruptions….to try and catch oppositions reactions….and win votes…never totally sincere about anything…as they are crooks themselves.
    Oppositions agree with reservations….smart blokes….as there are so many half past sixes…who cannot understand full proof sincere anti corruptions…against sly foxes proposals…but in politics…to sometimes agree with reservations….are real smart moves.
    All the ‘halves’ do not make one whole.
    True Malaysian….you need not succeed to blanja Justin root beer…a cheap drink.
    Just imagine….what big accomplishments….you need to accomplish to blanja me a cigar!!
    Muslims also smoke cigars….you know.
    But that bugger wassup…smoker something else…like some pondans do.
    He has to prove me wrong….or keep quiet!

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  12. Dr Hsu
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 11:14:22

    Dear readers, have I become part of the root cause if I voice out within a component party asking that party to leave BN, and in the meantime, voice out against all unfair and unjust pratices?

    I am thinking seriously about this problem, whether I have unwittingly become part of the root causes, even when i am not in a position to influence policy making ?

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  13. monsterball
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 11:15:12

    wassup…people who die with eyes open…..are afraid to die.
    Where is your logic….that monsterball will die with eyes open??
    I guess….you are talking about yourself….afraid to die.
    Fortunately….you claim to be a tree…a blockhead…with wood brain.
    Maybe…I die…..someone will use you to make a coffin for me……and I will bring you along….to 7th heaven….where you can wash massage me.. day and night.
    One who wishes another to die with eyes open…cannot be a Muslim…..so cruel.
    Only a devil talk like you….and UMNO have many devils reincarnated.

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  14. monsterball
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 11:17:15

    Doc……you are part of th root cause in spirit…and by adding to the number… by one more.
    Do you understand this explanation?

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  15. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 12:08:25

    Dr. Hsu,

    There are far too many followers than thinkers in the whole organisation of Umno, MCA, Gerakan, PPP, in short BN. Except you in Gerakan, I afraid there are no thinkers at all. If got, these ‘thinkers’ are not the ‘right thinking thinkers’.

    So, you are actually the sole ‘thinker’ with the ‘right thinking’. The others are just cannot think, i.e. followers and can think, but not thinking right.

    Even you have emphasised on creating thinkers in our education system as per your previous articles on education.

    I have posted an easy question of ‘agree or disagree’ in sjsandteam’s blog, and apparently, ‘certain group’ are all not thinkers at all as they even cannot regard themselves as ‘thinker’. Apparently they just accept whatever fed.

    So, I afraid Gerakan members are all like that and whatever you suggested, very sensible and acceptable to us, outsider thinkers, will not be receptive to them, as they are mostly followers, cannot think at all. Whatever you voiced out will e like ‘one ear in, the other ear out’. You are just ‘one kind of your own’ in your beloved party, I worried.

    So, if you cannot convince Gerakan, can you convince Umno?

    Just GET RID OF THE ROOT CAUSE, easiest and most effective.

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  16. omo
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 12:26:47

    Dr
    You live and study in Singapore but never listen to what LKY. Singapore does not even need a strong ACA. PAP believes in a clean government as history shows how the country will be destroy if the government is not clean.

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  17. Dr Hsu
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 12:45:11

    exactly,omo. Corruption is a cancer, one it has gone beyond the early stage, it will be difficult to be contained.

    However, once it has taken root, the only way is to have a total independent commission to tackle the problems, like in the case of Hong Kong where corruption was very rampant in the 70s but after the setting up of ICAC in Hong Kong, it is now one of the cleanest country.

    In malaysia, corruption has taken roots. So we need a totally independent commission to tackle this. The question is, can this MACC do it without the power to prosecute independently?

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  18. Justin Choo
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 12:53:18

    DR Hsu,

    “I am thinking seriously about this problem, whether I have unwittingly become part of the root causes, even when i am not in a position to influence policy making ?”

    Doctor Hsu, the above is your comment in Black and White” (incidentally also the name of my blog; very subtle advertising) .
    Please contemplate on it very seriously and deeply, just like meditation, when you have no patient visiting.

    You will surely find the correct route to the root of the root cause. If you still want to remain a little root in the mess of tainted roots, then the mess of tainted roots will “root” you into soot…no more little candle flickering!!!

    Get away from the infected cancerous roots, and find the correct route to grow stronger roots. Then tiny roots like Monsterball, A True Malaysian, and your sincerely will embrace this new root to grow more roots; and time to come the correct route will be taken to rid all the crooked roots!!!

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  19. Frank
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 13:11:09

    In Malaysia, we have too many ‘bills’ and these too many bills need our service of taxpayers’ monies to expense for them! Like we have many ‘Councils’ and each and many council members will draw their perks albeit the works they do may not up to expectation and diligent enough.

    Talking about eradication of corruptions, all it takes is the sincere commitments of the power that be that simple! Like the recent drama in Taiwan, all it took was the powers of public vox-pops and the fair justice system compounded with the total freedom of the medias’ unrelenting whipping, biting at the issues and helping to reveal all the filthy corrupted undertakings, the outrageous scandals of embezzlement and money laundry by the condemned ex-President’s family, Chen Sieu-bian has finally taken into tasks to face his punishment of falling the fame of the Country, which caused not only the Taiwanese ashamed in the global village, but all lost in terms of pecuniary interests from the absconded national wealth!

    Can the same prototype be emulated here in our beloved Land? We all know that it will takes perhaps another 50 years and yet it might not be happened here! Leaders come and go, after they whacked enough or more than enough, they will go somewhere far west and continue to enjoy the looted hays lavishly with their families and still claiming to be the most patriotic citizen whom they have become celebrities with datuk or tunships! Being a Malaysian I used to travel abroad in the early 90’s and I was proud to be holding the Malaysian passport but not now to mention any greatness, when I can’t even refute the scornful remarks of the other aliens from the developing counterparts, we have truly become aliens to the known corrupted aliens around the region!

    MACC to me I look at, is merely a brick laying tactic, an intermediate course which builds to distribute the bearing of blames, and a buffer zone to filter off the pressure of vox-pops whenever the public accuses, the buffer zone reacts and it’ll always ensure that the safety factor to be sustained without falling into the injury of the brick layers, the power that be! It’s only a safety wall built to protect the beneficial stakeholders of the sort!

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  20. wassup
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 13:47:54

    Hey Doctor, after all these years in Gerakan and after all the responsibility taken up and you still feel you’re are not even in a position to just ‘influence’ policy making? What are you there for? Warming seats? common doc, you can self taught yourself to play Kirara and moonlight sonata and not learn from this?

    Some of you guys are right in hinting that MACC can end up becoming another corruption laundering entity.

    ps hey Monstee, still feeling sore after all those nights huh? another muahahahaha… for you.

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  21. Justin Choo
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 15:25:49

    Wassup,

    I don’t know who you you are; but your last comment about Doc is a “lightning and thunder” for Doc to ponder. I dare not be so blunt to the good doctor.

    How can a corrupted group set up an effective anti-coruption agency? Simple logic from me a simple person. If it works, then we will not have any incumbent left to govern…all will be in jail, if not executed, China style!!

    Aiyoooh Doctor, I am having a headache!!

    Monsterball is our friend. Everyone has his/her idiosyncracies. Live and let live.

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  22. for nikki
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 15:41:31

    Singapore is what it is today because her leaders had a clean slate right from the start. Corruption is never tolerated.

    If I remember correctly, one of LKY’s most trusted cabinet minister was investigated and was to be charged before he took his life. No one is spared. With this no nonsense, strict leadership from the top, the rest in the chain of command dare not do it or do at one’s own peril.

    Thats the stark difference between our 2 countries.

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  23. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 15:42:45

    kiang kiang eh lang kah gong gong eh lang choi tin, kuku pun eh pien cho gong gong eh lang.

    This message is to Hokkien lang, or those who can speak Hokkien. I am not sure Penang eh lang can understand my Hokkien.

    Anyone want to translate my statement above?

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  24. wassup
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 16:43:12

    I am sorry Doc for being too blunt and act like I know everything about your situation. No but…

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  25. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 18:10:08

    Hey guys and gals,

    ‘The Might of the Pen’ rocks. Below was my comment, go visit and participate
    http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/

    ___________________

    This blog is the very rare few blog that can discuss matters so openly, Islam in particular. I personally believe all religions are for peace and beautiful. Though I have not read any of these ‘Holy Books’, I believe they contain a lot of ‘truths’.

    But such ‘truths’ need ‘thinker’ to find out the ‘real’ truths and not just follow whatever that contain in these ‘Holy Books’. Those who just adopt whatever in there are just mere ‘followers’. What is there so proud of these people?

    I believe all matters, however sensitive, should be able to discuss openly and frank manners, rather than told not to discuss because of sensitivity. You guys (& gals?) fit in best in this role, sjsandteam. Keep it up.

    Cheers.

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  26. romerz
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 22:01:45

    Translation for A true Malaysian,

    Smart people mixing with dumb people over time can become dumb people.

    (or there abouts)

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  27. chinseng
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 22:14:41

    A true Malaysian,

    I try to translate this

    “kiang kiang eh lang kah gong gong eh lang choi tin, kuku pun eh pien cho gong gong eh lang. ”

    If wise men living together with stupid man, they will ALL become stupid man at the end of the day..

    Is this correct??

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  28. chinseng
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 22:32:54

    Dear Dr. Hsu,

    I miss the talk about the Third Force in politic in Penang HQ early this month but I got to know that you attended.

    Don’t you think that a Third Political Force in our beloved country, A clean and good third political force model after LKY’s PAP in Singapore ( not the LKY of Gerakan ) is what our country need so that we can have good ” corruption free ” government.

    “Frank” can then feeling proud to be a malaysian again whenever he travel abroad on a malaysian be passport!

    Justin, if you are buying all of us ” root beer ” please get me the A&W…. thank you

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  29. chinseng
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 22:34:57

    Yo romez!

    The Rolex and Merz

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  30. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 23:00:48

    romerz & chinseng,

    Both got it right. Bravo.

    Hope the ‘kiang kiang eh lang’ can do miracles.

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  31. chinseng
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 23:36:53

    A t M,

    if ‘kiang kiang eh lang’ can do not do the miracles.

    who else??

    Aiya! AtM is the machine I always visit to get some cash for pocket money

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  32. A true Malaysian
    Dec 17, 2008 @ 23:50:56

    chinseng,

    Sorry lah, this AtM is ‘boh lui’ one. Try other AtM lah.

    This AtM cannot do miracle either.

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  33. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 00:01:25

    Dam it!! Justin is right….wassup gave the best dose to Doc.
    Yes..wassup..stay like that….no problem from me.
    Doc….is thinking hard….very hard…how to diplomatically disagree with us…OR…say again…..give him few months…to consider resigning from Gerakan…and hope all of us..forget…and he starts all over again……blaming UMNO….never himself…being a Gerakan active member…supporting race and religion politics….plus carrying the balls of UMNO.
    But….this post..showed a spark of hope….that he may resign from Gerakan…and give one less support to UMNO.
    He keeps on blaming UMNO so many
    things…without realising Gerakan is part of the family of BN??
    Why does his brain think like that….when he is such a smart and wise man.
    Travel the “Route 66” like Nat King Cole…..by cutting his roots from Gerakan….and see…feel….touch the truths…he keep missing them out.
    Then ALL can join an A&W party…..given by Doc….during this seasonal period.
    How nice…..if he can get it.

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  34. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 00:20:35

    His love for Gerakan have made him blind and dumb…..dumber and dumbest…yet he is sooooooo smart….sharp …picking up other RIGHT things….starting with a lovely wife….right profession….self taught piano lessons.
    By being in Gerakan….he said….his mission is to pull members out….but he himself is stuck like glue to Gerakan.
    Doc is fooling himself!!

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  35. Observer
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 02:33:13

    Dear Doc,

    Do not be disheartened or disillusioned. You are still our guiding light although the night is long. Please be patient and a better tomorrow is within our sight. If we are too pessimistic, it would be very self defeating eventhough the battle still haven’t started.

    Rest assured that you are not the root cause of any problems in our beloved country. It is only the desperation you felt that contributed to your insecurities at the moment.

    What you are doing presently is the best to your abilities. You are a careered professional whose weakness is only to seek a better future for all Malaysians regardless of creed and religion. You do not seek upward mobility, nor do you seek any higher political office. If through your involvement in Gerakan, you can slowly change the members’ thinking through your dedication and wisdom, it will be worth your cause.

    AS we know if the ruling party do not change ,they wil be changed in the next GE. So why the fuss now? We have waited that long…..
    A new goverment doesn’t mean everything will be fine. It might be better or it might not be better. It is only Hope and Hope itself can be very deceiving at times. Let the present new state goverments learn something about governing before they are allowed to govern and to prove they have the mandate to govern. Time is a great teacher to all.

    Sometimes, I feel we are wrong to push or provoke you into thinking that you have failed us. Politics is not a gentleman’s game. Good people like Gandhi, Lincoln and Kennedy are assassinated. Other good people might not be physically assassinated but they can be character blemished or pulled down by their foes or friends. Prepare yourself if you think you have it in you the ‘oomph’ to offer yourself for political office.

    Our trust in you will be wholesome and I salute you for your dedication and sincerity.

    May you think wisely!

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  36. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 08:10:04

    This smart Alex.. “Observer” writer… sounds like .. a Gerakan member…or love race and religion politics.
    His encouragements…….to Doc..is challenging all those asking Doc…to resign from Gerakan…and indirectly…telling me…he is smarter than monsterball!!
    hi…observer…how does a ROOT becomes a ROOT??
    It is the tiny fibers that make one root…you IDIOT!!
    Soooooo is not Doc…contributing to be one of the fiber on Gerakan………..by being an active member?
    Only Doc can understand what is active party member…but not active in politics….said he….making a fool of himself…with that statement.
    Is not Gerakan…part of the ROOT CAUSE???
    Don’t try to be too smart…to encourage dirty race and religion politics anymore….with your how to agree to disagree.
    It’s FOR or AGAINST… UMNO and BN!!!!

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  37. jt
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 08:43:27

    i for one think that “observer” is much smarter than “monster” the smart alec. only a fool/idiot continues to call other names if one doesn’t agree with him.
    for those who can’t bear to see the doc stay in gerakan, you’re free to join dap or pkr to champion your own cause.
    penang would not be what it is today without gerakan contribution.
    btw, i’m not a gerakan member.

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  38. A true Malaysian
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 09:35:12

    I see both JAC & MCAC bills passed as ‘Deformed’ bills rather than ‘Reformed’ bills. Again, we are being fooled by PM. Before that, my optimism still high of PM to introduce reformation, but as he said his legacy is not important, I put no hope at his so-called reformation, it should be called ‘Deformation’.

    Dr. Hsu, I admire your determination in reforming Gerakan, but honestly, would you able to do that with the current set of team led by KTK? If you can, so what? Gerakan is still in the grip of Umno. In the end, what is the use of your effort.

    It will be more realistic for you to :-

    (1) drag Gerakan out of BN (apparently, you failed to do that in the last NDC), or if failed,

    (2) drag your fellow members out of your beloved party and leave Gerakan a party without roots.

    Only then, it will be more worthwhile to start the reformation that you aspire.

    As I commented before, since Gerakan members have direct or indirect personal interests (being their rice bowls) by being in BN, (1) & (2) above are very difficult to accomplished. Just look at PPP, a mosquito within BN, a party worse than Gerakan, still remain in BN though was asked to leave.

    All BN parties are being used by Umno to justify the policies & decisions made by Umno, by claiming that all other races are represented by you guys. So, are you guys still want to be partner in concert?

    You can put all reasons to remain in Gerakan, but I doubt you are able to realise your dream.

    Resign is the best and only option for you. Your comrades are hopeless.

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  39. Justin Choo
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 10:46:31

    jt,

    “penang would not be what it is today without gerakan contribution”

    You are damn right. Penang will not be the shit today if not for Gerakan “contribution”.

    Penang was uplifted from the slum by Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu; but after his retirement from politics, KTK made a mess of it.

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  40. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 10:48:48

    Fools do gather together.
    Names calling is one way to describe a person…..as jt have described me.
    He is a bloody fool!

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  41. Justin Choo
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 10:51:59

    A True Malaysian,

    “2) drag your fellow members out of your beloved party and leave Gerakan a party without roots. ”

    The good doctor does not need to drag them. I can assure you, they are just waiting for doc to leave, and they will follow. Not that they cannot go now, but with great respect for the Doc as all faithful followers do, the leader must lead the way.

    As I comment before, the good doc is a huge bolder blocking an avalanche in Gerakan member resignation. If this huge bolder decides to move, then you see!!

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  42. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:00:13

    I for one..thinks “jt” writer is a bloody selfish person…love racialist politics..to survive.
    Perhaps MCA member??
    Everything said….have reasons.
    Justin have said it all….lets see that idiot respond to that.
    Justin is a Penang MAN. I presume “JT” is also one.

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  43. OTBB
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:05:37

    It is very difficult to differentiate rent seeking and corruption in Malaysia. Not only that, NEP sort of condones corruption as there is no difference between these two as far as Umno is concerned so long as the standard of living of the particular community is raised. In a modern society, the fastest way to raise the standard of living of a person is through education but in Malaysia, it is through corruption or rent seeking. We can discuss this issue until the cows come home and I would bet corruption is inalienable or inherent in Malaysia after the rule of Bapa Rasuah of 20+ years. Please don’t waste our breath on this issue. The most urgent task is to have a non Umno/BN government if we want REAL and TANGIBLE reforms (that is also not guaranteed) but with Umno, everything remains unchanged except some cosmetic changes here and there. Just look at what happened after the recommendations of the Lingam Royal Commission of Inquiry were made.

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  44. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:07:31

    hi Doc!!
    Read what Justin said…which I fully agree.
    For goodness sake..release the blockage.
    Do that…..before Christmas??
    hi Observer and JT….you plenty smart?
    Come…lets debate,
    Waiting for both..you bloody fools.. to response…so that I can hentam you both..till kingdom come.

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  45. Dr Hsu
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:13:30

    wassup, I was all along a grass root member of the party , same as 200000 others. As a grassroots, we can’t really do much except to voice out at meetings.

    I have voiced out many times in State meetings, only to find out that the message was never conveyed to the CC.
    Once a year, I spoke at National Delegates conference for 5 minutes, and no matter how hard I can hit at the bad politcies, I have only 5 minutes, and that much influence that I have.

    NOw , for the past 2 months , i was able to voice out directly in CC meetings. BUt as one of the 30 odd, do not expect much that I can influence.

    This blog has more influence. My writing has more influence.

    I chanced upon 2 DAP MPs last week at a CHinese educationist lunch, and they do not know me by person. BUt when I gave them my professional name card, they immediately recognised that I am the notorious anti NEP blogger in BN, and they said they read my blog.

    So this blog and my column in Malaysian Insider have much greater influence.

    As I see it, I am disappointed with the reform bills that were being tabled. All were watered down version. This shows that UMNO wont change, and if UMNO wont change and Gerakan still sticks to it, then people will change us.

    BUt I see some points in Observer’s argument. I will continue to voice out against the bad politics and policies…..

    As i have said, even if I quit active politics, i will just fade away…

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  46. A true Malaysian
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:25:00

    Justin,

    You got the point. Lets wait and see….how our buddy here will response.

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  47. A true Malaysian
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:39:22

    Dr. Hsu,

    Since your blog has greater influence than Gerakan CC, just quit and concentrate on your blog.

    You don’t need to be in CC and Gerakan. CC and Gerakan will come to your blog, for sure. If not, also never mind, because they cannot think right.

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  48. Dr Hsu
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:40:38

    Justin, after Dr Toh, who was dubbed the conscience of Gerakan left, no avalanche followed.

    dont put so much hope on me… I have no influence except through writing and bloggings.

    I feel that some Gerakan leaders are just too UMNO centric. ANd that is the main problems facing the grassroots members of the component parties.

    Maybe they need more time since their whole political lives have been inside BN. SO they are scared to function outside. They have to change their mindsets that UMNOcentric stance will lead to annihilation of most of the component parties.

    See how the rural Malays vote in KT…

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  49. Dr Hsu
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 11:50:19

    As i see it, there are 2 groups of blog writers/commentators who would be happy to see me cease being active.

    One is of course most of the DAP and PKR supporters.

    These groups are nice people, they are not DAP or PKR members, but they want change to see a better Malaysia. My thinking has been very close to this group.. people like A True Malaysian, Romerz, Monster and Justin etc..just to name a few since there were so many others.

    Another group is Actually BN memebrs, even some Gerakan members who campaigned actively against me just 2 months ago. This includes a very senior and manupulative member in KL and some young people aligned to this person, who wants power to control and be a kingmaker and instigate and tell false lies about me… But I accept this as part of life… In life, not all people will like you… even if i never covert any posistion, they still treat me as a potential threat or blockage to their master plan . This group has uttered in State meeting that ideology is not important…To the shock of many present..

    I mention this because blogosphere is faceless. Except for a few that i have met and a few who put real identities, most writers are faceless, and the way they comment may have certain ulterior motives.

    Having said that , I believe most of the commentators are sincerely with me, including those for and against whether being a Gerakan memebr is part of the root cause, and I thank them for giving me very good advice for thought.

    The third group is UMNO/SB members who would be too glad to get this person out of Gerakan.

    I need to think about this very seriously….

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  50. A true Malaysian
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 12:17:21

    Dr. Hsu is indeed in a dilemma. On one hand, if he resigns, he deems this as the victory of of opposing group for succeeding in chasing him out.

    But, on the other hand, to the group that is in line with him, it is a victory to them for succeeding in convincing him to resign.

    On the third hand, as Dr. Hsu mentioned, commentators in blogosphere is faceless. It is up to anyone here to guess who is / are the one(s). We are intelligent enough to know by reading the style of one’s writing.

    Having said all these, take my words, trust me, let Dr. Hsu decides what to do. Important thing here is that Dr. Hsu is someone ‘righteous’ that not easily sway, we can give our supports to and certainly will not be ‘gong gong eh lang’. He is definite the ‘kiang kiang eh lang’.

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  51. Dr Hsu
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 15:53:31

    A True Malaysian, I am just a gong gong eh lang, otherwise i would not be in a dilemma to think whether I am part of the root cause.

    kiang kiang eh lang would not be bother about this. They will change to adapt to the wind…

    One that is “chin jia gao” eh lang is Justin… He is more kiang than the kiang kiang eh lang and yet so humble…. ANd you A True Malaysian is also “chin jia gao” eh lang..

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  52. A true Malaysian
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 16:43:37

    Dr. Hsu,

    I am just a simple ‘boh lui’ Atm, wah sukak ‘gong gong chiak tih kong, bien huanloh’. Haha

    I admit, Justin si “chin jia gao” eh lang, lu pun si.

    Anyway, Dr. Hsu, you are the ‘target’ of all the ‘3 hands’ I described above.

    Ultimately, you will be the winner, as you believe doing the right things, the fruit all right. At least, you can be proud of your legacy one day, not like our PM, don’t even care of his legacy.

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  53. monsterball
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 17:26:37

    Lets see…how gong or kian ….one can be.
    1.Some Malays support UMNO….but not Dollah.
    2.Some Malays support Dollah…..but not Mahathir.
    PS: Please don’t be fooled with Mahathir’s resignation from UMNO.
    3. Some Malays supports Mahathir..and UMNO..but not Dollah.
    Only people that have politics in their blood can think and do like the above.
    Now read Doc’s message of the three groups.
    This prove Doc loves politics.
    In reality…Justin…TM…Romerz and me do not hero worship any opposition parties.
    We simply want a change of government…as UMNO is corrupted to the core…….and change of government…..should be….for lovers of democracy and freedom …Malaysians.
    Gerakan means nothing to smart people.
    Only dreamers from Gerakan can dream a fool’s dream…..how popular they are.
    And only hypocrites from Gerakan do not want to admit….Gerakan can only survive….as long as UMNO wins election.
    On their own…Gerakan is dead and gone forever.
    Daily…feeling ..where the wind blows……blinded by false love…false hope…..or being grateful to Gerakan is something no one knows…why..what is the the true reasons by some …smart blokes…playing the stupid game.
    I hope..it is not Dr.Shu…I am referring to…as many political minded personalities…have so much owed by them..to their own party.
    Why don’t they be free…like Justin and me…..and so many more.
    This……I hope Dr.Shu will be one soon.

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  54. Observer
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 17:47:56

    Lang see lau mia; hor see lau puay.

    When a tiger dies; its skin will be treasured whereas when a human passed away, his legacy and reputation remains.
    Our passed actions, merits and misdeeds will be srutinised by those living either bringing glories or shames to our descendents.

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  55. chinseng
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 22:09:42

    Dear Dr. Hsu,

    Yes, you need to think about that very seriously….

    But do not hurry into making decision, certainly not in this year!

    I think Gerakan must be working out some good move in this new malaysian political landscape and is waiting for the right time to make the move….

    It is still 3 to 4 years before the next GE and some changes must be implemented…. If not Gerakan/BN will be changed by the voters.

    You are correct by ending this ” MACC – wait and see posting” with “We will have to wait and see….”

    wait and see…. wait and see…

    Relax and just enjoy this A&W root beer party with some petty cash from the AtM machine we have here….

    lu ban ban lai, kiang kiang eh lang

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  56. Justin Choo
    Dec 18, 2008 @ 23:51:44

    ban ban lai, giah tongkat!!! maybe wheelchair!!

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  57. monsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 01:02:39

    If Observer is right….there must be millions of tiger skin in houses all over the world.
    Only special humans……a handful out of billions have legacies preserved by humans.
    Other so call legacies are preserved by relatives…..not important to even neighbours.

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  58. jt
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 02:46:36

    That’s right, Justin, always put the blame on KTK. What have you done for Penang lately, other than complain? typical DAP. Just like the current CM (Complaint Minister) of Penang. If he were the CEO of any company, he would have been fired by now.
    Monsterball, you don’t have to challengel me on how smart you are. I’m probably the first Actuary graduated from Chung Ling. So, go figure.
    Kindly remember Rule Number 6.

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  59. monsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 08:41:43

    I know plenty with fantastic degrees ..that are as dumb as you.
    Commonsense and experiences with right attitudes..do not come from a piece of paper and don’t brag…you first of Chung Ling High School.
    You are like a frog…thinking how great your world is.
    The way you write…you are a shameless supporter of MCA or Gerakan….that loves to divide and rule and not unite everyone as Malaysians.
    You love to be a CHINESE..not as a Malaysian.
    It is due to people like you..that so many great Chinese minds left Malaysia..to seek life elsewhere.
    You dare not fight UMNO.
    Get it very very clear….you dumbo!!
    Justin and I are not DAP or keDAILan supporters.
    We are supporters of a free and democratic Malaysia…and when Pakatan Rakyat..becomes too powerful…we MAY vote oppositions…to save your children…if you have any.
    I do not need to figure this or that out of your braggart personality.
    So many Malaysian Chinese have CONTRIBUTED to the growth of Malaysia….inspite of putting them at disadvantage positions…..do not brag like you.
    They can be much richer…..if they choose to carry balls.
    Will you give up millions..by not licking UMNO balls??
    Self made man..is the ultimate result of a man’s life….not by your stupid diploma.
    I am challeng8ing you..I say…. am smarter than you …by half.
    What else do you know..besides Chinese cultures stuffs.
    Are you a balls carrier of UMNO? Not an easy art to learn….but I bet you…you are an expert In balls carrying…. to survive.

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  60. monsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 08:47:19

    Justin..bian bian lai….susa lor.
    Sama lai…pak see boh chow.
    Siow kia…jt….kong lun chiow ooi.
    Goo kia bor puk hor.
    Low hor bopak sai.
    Sor nee nay da papayang.
    PS: Last one..do you understand “lik ka sow” language??

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  61. Justin Choo
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 09:29:54

    Jt,

    So you have revealed that you are one kind of a first class very clever Chung Ling Genius.

    I am sorry to have offended you, how I do not know. Since you are a figures man, pray figure out for me. By the way if you are such a very clever man, why your name is just jt? Reveal yourself and your picture, so that Penangites can kow tow to you!!

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  62. A true Malaysian
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 09:44:33

    jt,

    I don’t put a damn on KTK. He deviated from his aims to change BN from within, he messed up Penang, he messed up our beloved Gerakan, he has no back bone, he can’t even stand up against Ah Mad Is Mail.

    The list goes on…..You care to continue?

    Please lah, you Gerakan die hards, wake up. If you want to give ideas, I mean good ideas, please learn from Dr. Hsu, get Gerakan out of BN, then reform Gerakan. If not, you guys are digging your own graves, you can do the ‘actuarial calculations’, and say goodbye to Penang, goodbye to politics.

    I, so far, does not want to hard hit on anyone. You can read back my comments (Frank inclusive). But, this round, I tak boleh tahan.

    jt and all, you can go ahead to idolise KTK.

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  63. jt
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 11:39:48

    Speaking about common sense and attitude from a foul mouth, that carries a lot of weight. Maybe I should’ve finished my pre-Med and get a M.D. so I can cut off those balls of monster…Ouch.
    I’m far from Chung LIng genius. Besides, there are so many superior high schools in Penang. I was trying to make a point to monster. Only dumbo tell others he is smart, like people don’t know he is dumb. May be I should not have mentioned that I’m the first Actuary from Chung Ling. My apology.
    I’m not associate with any political party. If you guys have some good idea to contribute, fine. Just stop inciting Doc to quit Gerakan or join opposition party. He is mature enough to know when to hold and when to fold. I do agree that Gerakan should get out of BN in order to revivify. As to when, it’s up to the party leadership.
    Yes, I’m proud to be Chinese. I’m able to communicate with Chinese from mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Kenya, U.S.A., Canada, etc. because we speak a common languate – Mandarin.
    Peace to you.

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  64. Observer
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 13:23:47

    Don’t you all think it would be polite to stop using Dr. Hsu’s blog to voice out unpleasantries in a personal way. We should accord this blog due respect and not abuse the kindness of the host.

    This blog has gained prominence and its posting has been carried by other wellread popular site.

    Learn to be humble and learn not to humilate.

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  65. monsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 13:38:14

    hahahahahaha..Smart Chinaman…claiming to be a Malaysian..first class student from Chung Ling keep supporting Doc to stay in Gerakan.
    This is the kind of so call Malaysian Chinese…totally selfish …balless and full of shit.
    How dumb can one be.
    Even Penang Free School great students dare not brag like him.
    He brags…and accused me of bragging….and it takes one Penang man like Justin….to confirm it…hahahahahahaha

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  66. monsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 13:51:56

    He bragged …then apologise…..AFTER Justin….told him off….hahahahahaha
    Man of few words….Justin’s comments sure got voom power.
    hahahahaha….He communicates. I talked to the face to face…in every country…..he mentioned…hahahahahaha
    Who learn more…by communicating…. or by touching.. feeling ….seeing and ..sometimes sleep with them……..hahahahahaha
    This young fut….first Actuary from Chung Ling….and God and he only know what the hell is that….so powerful….so cocksure of successful life…sooooooo priceless…….hahahahahahahaha
    Yes…..he is a disgrace to Penang bragging like that.

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  67. onsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 14:01:37

    Monsterball is Mr.S.S.GOH!!!
    Reveal yourself..

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  68. monsterball
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 14:07:45

    I don’t carry a lot of weight
    I carry lots of cigars!!!
    But in blogsphere…you are right la…so many titles…so many loving friends…bloggers and commentators.
    How many have you met….jt?
    Do you ever walk the talks??
    NO??….Then you behave yourself…be nice.
    wassup is nice now.
    NEXT???

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  69. jt
    Dec 19, 2008 @ 23:37:58

    You amart ass ball-less monster should really get a life. Dumb airhead, you needs plenty of bleach to cleanse that filthy mouth to make you sound cleaner and smarter.
    May God bless you.

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  70. monsterball
    Dec 20, 2008 @ 09:21:19

    I mean jungle toad….the best student from Chun Ling High School.
    Me…worst student from ACS…Anglo Chinese School Malacca…brothers to Methodist Girls School..
    But I pride myself as choir lead singer..and champion school badminton player!!
    Had an opportunity to be trained by the great late Wong Peng Soon…who just stood there…and beat me flat…15-0!!
    I begin to realised..I am too short for singles and took up doubles. That did it.
    We are always very romantic and loving…love picnics and talking……instead of studying…YET…we produced so many great and successful personalities…that surely will shame that Penang.. Chung Ling “Jungle Toad”……..as we talk and work…not just brag and work slow..lazy blokes……so typical of so many Penang workers.

    Ah well…in blogsphere……everything is possible.
    Now….I am really done with him.

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  71. Dr Hsu
    Dec 20, 2008 @ 11:57:06

    please, do not go overboard. Otherwise i might have to use the “may I” again…This is not directed at anyone but as a request to all of you to keep to the topic.

    Do not resort to name calling, personal attacks, “balls” calling” etc..

    Please heed the advice by observer above..

    Let us argue our case anyway you want, but do not start a ‘war’. Thank you.

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  72. vincent
    Apr 27, 2016 @ 22:51:30

    who is jt the first actuary from chung ling?

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  73. Dr Hsu
    Apr 28, 2016 @ 05:15:38

    Vincent, I have no idea.

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