The KT ‘bye’ election

Last Saturday night, the night when they counted the KT by election votes, I was out for a dinner with my wife.

Suddenly, the people next table started cheering. The joy was so spontaneous that this was as if Malaysia has won the Thomas Cup..Only this was because one of the people next table received news that PAS has won the KT election…

The people next table were all Chinese. It would really be unthinkable just a few years ago, to see this group of urbanites cheering for a victory of a party that threatens to implement hudud law if they come into power in the Federal Parliament.

How the sentiments of the people has changed since 2004.

Some of the Chinese hawkers in Pudu have told me that the crime scene is so bad that maybe Hudud law will help to curb crime. Anything cannot be worse than the present , I was told.

Why is this change so drastic? BN has only itself to be blamed.

There is a Chinese saying: Bad governance (or tyranny) is worse than tigers. BN has been perceived  as a government practicing tyranny.

The people , especially the urbanites, are now so dead against UMNo that even a party like PAS, that was deemed to be extreme just a few years ago, is perceived to be better than  UMNO. Of course, that the outcome of this by election would not bring about the implementation of hudud is one of the reasons why urbanites are rooting for PAS and celebrating the victory  as if they have won a big prize.

The dislike towards UMNO has affected the component parties that are viewed as subservient. And the biggest of them all, MCA, has reverted back to its custom of infighting and  factionalism.  Gerakan, on the other hand, has been viewed as weak without a clear direction.

This dislike, or some would put it as hatred, has not decreased since MArch8. If anything, it has even grown more intense.. What with Ahmad Ismail incidence, the abuse of ISA in arresting a journalist for her own “protection”, , increased crime rate, the disappearance of a private investigator under suspicious circumstances, the aborted euroCopter purchase, the aborted sale of IJN (aborted only after public objections), rampant corruption…. all added to make this feeling more and more intense.

Although no keris is expected to be raised this time during the UMNO coming party election, perceived racist talks about converting all vernacular schools into a single stream by a YOuth CHief Hopeful does not endear UMNO to the public, as people view it as  proof that UMNO politicians have not learned any lessons from MArch 8, and that they are still engaged in their old antics during party election times to play the race card to fish for support..

For the component parties, I can only say that the leaders are still in a self denial mode, hoping that perhaps one day the people will change their minds and swing back to them again..They fail to wake up to the reality that with so much of vested interest and so entrenched the culture of patronage and money politics, it would not be possible for UMNO to change, unless, as I have always believe, that they will only change when they lose in a General Election.

On September 4th 2008, Singapore Straits Times in an article titled “BN’s Chinese PArties in a dilemma” quoted from my blog this:

A Gerakan division leader in Kuala Lumpur, Dr Hsu Dar Ren, recently wrote in his blog that the party had become”  a square peg in a round hole.

“No matter how good the reform undertaken by Gerakan, if it is still perceived to be subservient to Umno and impotent to push for changes within the coalition, it is signing its own death sentence,” he said.

Unfortunately,  for Gerakan, What was quoted above still holds true.


60 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Bolanliap
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 14:31:25

    yes, Dr, i totally agree with you. Me and my wife are fill with joy when we heard PAS has won and we cant wait for the next GE so we can kick BN balls at the place where it hurts. Our heart also ache(we still respect Lim Chong Eu) when we know that Gerakan is still in Limbo and KTK is still as indecisive as ever.


  2. nick
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 15:19:21

    I am very happy for PR to win this by-election. I am sick of Barisan. The arrogant UMNO tells me that the next PM is Najib. How can this be? I have never voted for him? He still has so many unanswered question mark on his head. Where is the whereabouts of the P.I.? How come the Altantuya trial is so bloody long? How come Razak is acquited and the system decided not to appeal? Where is the justice? We are dealing with a bunch of killers and liars. Boot them out!!!!!!


  3. nick
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 15:22:31

    On moral grounds alone, I am asking how does Gerakan associate itself under the leadership of a man with no morals? Same question for all members of Gerakan.


  4. Rashid
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 15:51:38

    Gerekan President is no hope. It seems he has been promised some senatorship and an assistant position and he is satisfied. Or otherwise he wants to bring everyone in Gerekan down since he is down.


  5. klm
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 15:56:53

    Wah! Very nice piece, loh. Dr .Hsu

    KaTaK will like you even less, now.


  6. petestop
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 15:59:06

    Like in Astrology, the “stars” need to be aligned in order for an “event” to happen.

    Likewise, in order for a change in govt comes the next GE, we need all these UMNO’s jokers to remain in place, the line-up:

    1. Najib, the “I never met that woman” “I’ll drench my keris with Chinese blood”, soon-to-be PM that we never elect, but only elected, not even by UMNO’s delegation, but by even smaller number of divisions.

    2. Syed Hamid Albar, wow, this guy really “rocks”, but in the reverse. His every action really helps gives PR more and more credibility as alternative, bcoz who else could be worse that this joker ?

    3. “I speakee no Inglish” Mohdx2 Taib, when these kind of joker can be recycled, just imagine what kind of corrupt govt you are getting.

    4. Rustam Ali, the Melaka CM who says “We don’t need the Indian votes”….

    5. Rahim Tamby Chik…. potential UMNO VP… remember the underage girl ?

    and the list goes on….

    So, UMNO please continue to vote these people in, we need all the help we can get, so that we can secure a better future for all Malaysians….. by having a new PR govt by next GE.


  7. kkitsam
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 16:55:52

    the worst part is there’s no more independence between the Executive, Judiciary and Legislative. Look at KT, the police were full force there, why the 8000 strong presence? Why anti-ISA or anti war by none BN were rejected and people arrested but Pro ISA and anti war by BN is allowed? Until now, where is the justice on the VK Lingam tape? Why the silence? When all these things happens, where is Gerakan? Seriously how can we vote BN will all this shits. BN is DOOM.


  8. klm
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 16:56:22

    Actually. , Gerakan is only a side helper. A water boy in the field of Malaysian politics.


  9. CYC
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 17:06:06

    Being an employee for 20 years, i slowly but surely begin to realise why people with high qualification generally less enterprising than those with lower education level. It perhaps due to the risk appetite, decision making ability, and lastly procrastination. I we apply those factors to Gerakan members of higher qualification, the scenario is obvious. They know the facts well, but they are not risk taker, they keep on considering too many assumption and could not arrive at some solid conclusion, lastly they tend to procrastinate a lot. End result : they talk, analise, create hypothesis and keep on wonder along the way without taking Firm Action. I would always like to call this “Elitist Syndrome”. No wonder Sun Yat Sin or Zhou En-Lai are less successful as “leader with supreme command” as compare to Mao Ze-Dong.

    Dr. Hsu, putting the last nail of the coffin is not an easy job but it definitely worth the effort and courage. Revolution will surely happen as long as there are also a similar Dr. Hsu in MCA, and both could hammer the respective last nail into their party’s coffin simultaneously. History sometime is created without being noticed or forewarned.

    “Sing sing ze huo ke yi liau yuan” Start the fire now!


  10. omo
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 17:21:30

    It is not high quali with less enterprising but they are all soft and enjoy good life when they are in Government. Just look at DAP. Most of their leaders are out in the field, whacked and ingrossly marked down by police, special units and even SBs. Just look at the former MP of Batu. He was quite quiet when told off by UMNO MP in parliament when he was a Deputy Minister.

    Like LKY, he tested his MPs to see if they buckle under fire and not a good candidate for leadership and speaking out.


  11. Chauncey Gardener
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 19:03:42

    For some reason, the song “If you love somebody, set them free” by Sting seems to be resounding in my mind.

    I think by NOT setting the political direction of the Gerakan party, the President is keeping its members entrapped – going neither here nor there.

    Dr Hsu is trying to get the leadership to row the boat one way but either the oarsmen are in conflict with him or just not paddling.

    As the currents of GE12 are still strong, the Gerakan party boat is neither going with the flow of the current or focussing their energy to overcome the currents simply because the captain of the boat hasn’t figured out which way the current is going.


  12. Meng
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 19:17:45

    Hi Doc, who say BN and UMNO cannot change. They will change but not in the direction that we wish but towards a more harsh regime. Based on their premise that BN and in particular umno have brought development and uplifted the livelihood of the raayat and not giving them the vote, the raayat are kurang ajar and have to be taught a lesson. Rough up the raayat and drive fear into them, if fear is insufficient physical pain will be inflicted to obtain the loyalty..

    Don’t you see the trend. They are fearful of everything carried out in the name of peace. Peaceful marches or demo – water canon, cyclist – harassment, threats in KT etc etc . Even the candle light vigil put them in fear, reason the crowd for these vigil is getting bigger and bigger and imagine if these are translated in or on the voting slip…. Surely these crowd will follow the leaders of change.

    Don’t you think they are frighten or panicking now. A frighten man when cornered turns unruly and wild. A frightened or political party in fear would turn into a dictatorial and oppressive regime!!

    More FRU FRU everywhere and wait for the worst to come.

    Has Bn or umno learned a lesson…yes…
    in their mind raayat sudah kurang ajar dan perlu diajar..


  13. OTBB
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 23:17:26

    You have been very frank to make such comment as “Anything cannot be worse than the present”. Most people will agree with the above statement. But I have to add “If we don’t vote Umno into the toilet bowl, there will NEVER be any tangible reform by just reviewing the new watered down bills introduced such as MACC, JAC”. We really have no option but to have a new non-BN/Umno government. In short, Umno is beyond reform. Let’s keep this in mind when we go to the polling station in future as you have said “Anything cannot be worse than the present”.


  14. yh
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 23:24:10


    i wholly agree with you.

    a man so tainted with all sorts of allegations. a man who started and continued to allow scores of young malaysians perished in the NS program so that his cronies can cream off the millions from the contracts. yet, Gerakan still wants to sleep with him.
    isnt by association as guilty if the allegations are true?


  15. eugene
    Jan 19, 2009 @ 23:47:09

    Looks like so long as Umno, the big brother, don’t change, the component parties, especially mca, mic & gerakan dare not change, just hope against hope that the big brother will change one day, subservient to Umno ??? Very much so i guess.

    Dr Hsu, you are too good for party politic, do not waste your time in gerakan else you’ll be perceived to be one of them and affect your credibility. Why don’t you join Zaid Ibrahim or embark on something similar, working with Malaysian youth on subjects like demoracy, our consitution etc and also political awareness especially of Chinese youth. You will accomplish much more working with youth than wasting you time in gerkan.


  16. OTBB
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 00:28:04

    I have to agree with the comments made by Eugene. There is no place and meaningful role to play for people like Dr Hsu in any BN component party. The proposal that he should join forces with moderate and progressive voices such as that of Zaid Ibrahim, Syed Hussein, Raja Petra Kamaruddin, Farish Noor etc should be given a serious thought. I’m sure everyone would like to see the realization of a non-BN/Umno government. 50 + years is more than enough.


  17. OTBB
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 00:29:33

    I have to agree with the comments made by Eugene. There is no place and meaningful role to be played by people like Dr Hsu in any BN component party. The proposal that he should join forces with moderate and progressive voices such as that of Zaid Ibrahim, Syed Hussein, Raja Petra Kamaruddin, Farish Noor etc should be given a serious thought. I’m sure everyone would like to see the realization of a non-BN/Umno government. 50 + years is more than enough.


  18. romerz
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 01:32:05

    Dr Hsu,

    Your analysis is spot on.

    Amongst my circle of friends in Penang, not one expressed any disappointment that PAS won KT. In fact most of them were disappointed that PAS won by only a 2,631 majority. Even one UMNO member friend of mine said that KT’s loss was needed to “wake UMNO up” (in his words).

    Some of my friends are businessmen and whilst they complain about the shortcomings of the PR Penang state government, they are adamant that UMNO/BN must be reduced to size! And they will give Guan Eng at least another term to sort matters out.

    Personally this is what I think.

    UMNO/BN in its present form is as good as finished. Even assuming that its leadership has finally woken up and decided to push for real reforms, Malaysians will not believe them. They also suffer from a perception problem of their own doing.

    You mentioned the dislike/hatred for UMNO but you failed to mention the dislike/hatred for the component parties is even more!

    I don’t know how to describe this dislike/hatred except to say that as a non-Malay, I expect UMNO to behave the way they do and for this I hate them.

    But for non-Malay parties like MCA, MIC, Gerakan and the rest to continue perpetuating UMNO’s hedonistic rule by lending legitimacy to BN, I dislike/hate them even more!

    Let me share an SMS I sent KTK on the night after PAS won KT. (No reply so far and I asked for it)

    “Dear Tan Sri, if UMNO can’t win the Malay heartland, what chances does Gerakan have of surviving? Accept that it is dead and do something good for the country before it breathes its last breath. At least you will be remembered in history as the last president of Gerakan who tried to be a Malaysian in its dying days rather than be remembered as a pariah who stood in the way of ordinary Malaysians. Sorry for saying it so harsh but truth is most times awful to hear.”

    Dr Hsu, the reality is Gerakan can no longer shape nor influence the politics of this country. Better to leave the BN and die a noble death and retain the respect of its past supporters rather than be spat upon in contempt when it is mentioned in future history.

    Change will come to this country and of this I have no doubt. Gerakan can be a facilitator of change or be an obstacle to change. The difference is only a matter of time but there is no escaping it.

    The choice is with the party and its members. Doc, excuse me for being a provocateur but I think if you can get enough members, you can call for an EGM to discuss Gerakan’s further participation in BN.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.


  19. Atila
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 03:28:27

    Salam….Dr Hsu,

    Praise Allahswt for allowing PAS to win at KT.

    I gave up UMNO after the “angkat sumpah incidents” in the mosques during PPauh by-election.

    Decades ago, UMNO accused PAS for using Islam in its political influences but at PPauh, UMNO is now far worst for mocking Islam to gain voting supports. Allahswt please forgive us.

    Being a Muslims, I want Hudud Law to be implemented regardless of race and religion in this country.

    The crime rate is so high now that when I go to work, I leave house with worries. I have a 64 year old mum & a 71year old dad with heart problem. Though the house is with gate & locks, I fear that their old age would be taken as an advantage for some heartless people.

    There is nothing wrong & bad of Hudud Law, when one commits offence/crime and proven wrong, he or she will have to face punishment.
    Off course Allahswt’s way of punishment seemed cruel but in the long run crime rate would minimise.

    The lawyers in this country will be out of jobs, its time they diversify their careers.

    UMNO painted bad of Hudud Law to Chinese Malaysians. Its shameful that UMNO so called Malay predominantly party with majority Muslims potrayed the wrong of Hudud to non-Muslims and yet rejected Hudud Law. UMNO showed us Muslims that they are far superior to choose what they want in Islam only for their gain and Hudud is being preached to scare away the non-Muslims.

    UMNO dont want Hudud becoz they themselves are committing sins day in and out.

    Malaysian Chinese should take more trips to fully Hudud countries like Saudi and some mid-east countries.

    Malaysian Muslims mostly get the chance to see how shop owners in Saudi leave their shop with no doors closed to go perform prayers, yet not one piece of jewelry is stolen. Try do this in Penang?

    For me being a Muslim, we want a better country to live in, beef-up security wise.

    Gerakan….as i see it not heading towards a multiracial party. I myself find Gerakan too Chinese centric and I would prefer PKR DAP or PAS.

    Gerakan is not attractive to the Malays at all
    and KTK must do something now if he wants Gerakan to stay afloat next 10years.

    If PKR can be multiracial, mayhap PKR could last another 10-15years, why not Gerakan head the same way?

    The Chinese stigmatism is strong. For what Lim Chong Eu and KTK did in Penang, Malay Penangites would never or have difficulty to support Gerakan and UMNO anymore.

    Ask yourself why?


  20. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 11:13:38

    Well said, Atila. I myself not afraid of Hudud Law. Why should I afraid if I do no wrong?

    308 GE, PP bye-election and KT ‘by-buy-bye-bye’ election (term make famous by my good friend Justin) had proven that Umno and its crony parties are rot to hell. Everyone knows that and yet some people here still hinged hope for Umno and its crony parties to change.

    My thinking is different to these people. Mine is, even if Umno and its crony parties like MCA, Gerakan and MIC decides to change, so what? I won’t vote for BN again even if they changed as 50 plus years of abuses, corruptions, inefficient governance, racist and patronage politics is ‘sudah cukup’ for me.

    Their mentality are so ‘rigid’ to the core that they don’t possibly ‘repent’ and wash away their sins, even if God Almighty is willing to cleanse (by the way, I don’t believe in God, but no problem if others believe). Just ask your comrades from Umno, MCA, MIC and Gerakan, why did they join these parties? Their answers are always ‘because of business, senatorship, favourite treatment if they are one’. These benefits, can be referred in short as “patronage politics”, which to my mind, is ‘CORRUPTION’ in itself. Except for a few, their purposes of joining these parties were because of this ‘patronage politics’ rather than serving rakyat and nation.

    I am sort of disappointed to read comments here that they were happy that PAS won KT bye-bye election because of they hate or angry with Umno, MCA, Gerakan. I commented before, this, I regard as ’emotional’ rather than ‘rational’. It is no point in having hatred or angry with these people, don’t waste your energy and time hating and angry with these people but to give your undevided supports to Pakatan Rakyat.

    If Malaysia can give more than half a century to BN, why not give just 2 terms to PR? PR is still young and don’t expect them to be at top mark, let them do their job so long as their actions are ‘righteous’, no patronage politics, transparent and all.

    My advice to PR is, please do away ‘patronage politics’. If not, over time, you guys will be like BN.

    Dr. Hsu, I can expect yourself to be out of Gerakan very soon. Your decision, you decide. People like Koh Kim Koon, Dr. Tan Tee Kwong, Lee Kah Choon, Zaib Ibrahim cannot be wrong. I believe you too have such wisdom, and don’t mix your emotion in this. You right thinking fellow comrades have high regards on you. You mix emotion, they mix emotion too.


  21. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 12:08:59

    What worries the non malay intellegensia, people like Karpal and his DAP colleagues, is not so much of Hudud per se.

    It is more of Iranian style theocratic state, where the council of the mullahs has bigger power than the president and his ministers.

    It then becomes a rule by men , and not by law. Because the council comprises of clergymen.

    I personally am not afraid of hudud , as A True Malaysian has mentioned, if you have not done anything wrong why sorry? But I will say no to a theocratic state where the people has no democratic choice and whatever Fatwa from the council of Mullahs becomes law…

    I am in the process of compiling a study on Iranian revolution. Before 1953, Iranian was a democracy, but the Prime Minister was overthrown by the Shah and his forces , witht he help of CIA with documentation proof now.

    After that ,the Shah ruled Iran with an Iron grip with his secret police as dreaded as the KGB…Ayatollah was exiled and many people were arrested without trial and imprisoned.

    When Jimmy Carter became president in 1976, and pushed for more human right in Iran, some of these prisoners were released and slowly a core of opposition formed and they galvanised the people to demonstrate their opposition to the unpopular rule, resulting in the collapse of the rule by Shah of Iran.

    Ayatollah Komeni who was exiled in Paris came back to become the supreme leader and formed the council to rule Iran, effectively becoming a theocratic state .

    That was also associated with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, especially among the Shiite Muslims like the Iranians.

    So the Americans have come a big circle. CIA documents that were declassified show that CIA was actively behind the plot to overthrow the democratically elected Prime Minister of 1953, who however was seen to be leaning to USSR in the cold war period.

    they have to overthrow him, partly because of the oil Iran produced, to get the power back to the Shah, who ruled with a autocratic and dictatorial style, which resulted in Iranian revolution, and the ascendency of the clergymen . which has helped export Islamic fundamentalism, the result of which the US has to deal with now…

    It is like a form of KArma. What is sown is havested….

    I quote from website which says this:
    “Most observers would consider Iran a theocracy, since the elected president and legislature are constitutionally subject to the supervision of two offices reserved for Shia clerics: the Supreme Leader of Iran (Rahbar) and the Guardian Council, which even decide who may run for office. “


  22. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 12:15:51

    My objection to the theocratic state is because, basically, once it has become that, the people have no choice to choose what they want, and there is no avenue to go abck to being a democracy…


  23. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 12:48:19

    Those whose intention to introduce Hudud Law as part and parcel of having Malaysia an Islamic state of course, have my objection as well.

    In this secular world of ours, Hudud Law may infringe on human rights as imposing Islamic values on non-Muslims is in itself ‘un-Islamic’. PAS, being an Islamic party, is understandable to have its desirability but I believe it is the last thing that they would impose Islamic value on non-Muslims, simply because such action is ‘stupid’ or ‘un-Islamic’ in itself. PR is not working on BN formula. PKR, DAP and PAS must be equally strong individually. No one party should has domination against the other.

    Dr. Hsu, am I right to say that you still very emotionally attached to Gerakan? If true, can you discard this emotional feeling?


  24. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 13:33:03

    We have gone through this many times so I am not repeating..

    I am waiting for a certain time frame, to see whta can be done . Otherwise, I will just concetrate on my blog and social work maybe.

    The time frame is improtant as i have to answer to those members who have supported me> The time frame would have enabled me to answer to them for their support … if nothing can be achieved , at least i can say i have done my best.

    I would be easier to go than to stay and be a lone voice in meetings..I suspect many would be so happy to see this thorn go away… A thorn cannot do anything, but at least can cause some pain .. hopefully the pain can cause some response..


  25. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 14:06:02

    Dr. Hsu,

    A lot of people, members and non-mombers of Gerakan, are waiting for your next move.

    We can guess what is your next move, just becoming impatient with the time frame.

    Whatever, your next move is significant. Significant to all sides. Same to KTK.


  26. Meng
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 14:50:49

    Doc for you:

    Gerakan vs MCA. If umno is given a choice to choose the party to represent the chinese interest, who do you think umno would choose???

    I know many would talk on multi representation …but Just the above question only


  27. klm
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 15:19:20

    I like what Atila said about:

    UMNO dont want Hudud becoz they themselves are committing sins day in and out.

    Within UMNO, they practised corruption, trickery, back stabbing, betrayal and all the bad things.

    Remember Mohd Isa, he was sanctioned for money politics. Heard from my UMNO friend that he was betrayed by Badawi and KJ. Badawi passed him 6M RM to hand out to delegates. Envelopes contain 10K each were passed out in his name. He was named as the perpetrator and punished. All in the name of stopping money politics.

    If UMNO can do this thing to its own people. Imagine what kind of things they can do to others.

    It is so rotten inside. Maybe hudud law can help fix this problem.


  28. zztop
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 16:29:31

    I hated PAS sometime ago. However, if I were to chose between the devil and the deep blue sea. I chose PAS the deep blue sea. At least I can have a chance to survive by swimming. But BN the devil, you are sure dead irrespective.
    MCA/MIC/Gerakan are goners with the present bunch of leaders leading them.
    Dr. you are an odd one out in Gerakan. We understand your position.
    Keep up your fight for the good of the rakyat.


  29. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 16:57:26

    It is so often we talk about Umno this & that, Gerakan this & that and MCA this & that. I wonder they know these or just brush them away like dust.

    Only now I understand why it is not easy to be a grandfather or a ‘keh poh’ like a grandmother. Hahaha.

    Still, I believe, it is good for us to do that. These talks are not benefiting BN (since they most likely brush them aside), they are sure benefiting PR.

    Gerakan is ignorant of how lucky they are to have Dr. Hsu as a member and in its CC. I as an outsider, independent of BN and PR, just feel how silly Gerakan and tend to think, if Dr. Hsu is out of Gerakan, he can definitely do better for Malaysia, either he chooses to be a member of PR or not.

    Dr. Hsu has my highest respect for joining Gerakan not for the reason of ‘political patronage’. If Dr. Hsu is not a Penangite, things will definitely be easier for him to decide.


  30. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 17:29:33

    It seems quite true my observation of Chinese Penangite as to Gerakan after reading the article of Khoo Kay Peng “Pakatan, what comes after partying?”.

    Nevertheless, I respect his view.

    Gerakan, can you take this ’emotional feeling’ of Penangite for granted?


  31. Rhan
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 18:02:04






  32. wassup
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 18:03:54

    Dear Atila,

    Nice to know that we can leave the shop unattended and not loose a thing with Hudud implemented. But What if the Boss were to leave a beautiful lady and she got rape but there ain’t no 4 witnesses to step forward?

    Shame on commentators for trying to be nice and accomodating when you know shite about hudud.


  33. Rhan
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 18:17:11

    Yes wassup, and only a kid would tell “what to worry if i did no wrong” kind of statement. Some of this PR supporters are already half blind.


  34. Rhan
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 18:23:46

    Btw, not four witnesses, should be four Muslim witnesses!

    Non-Muslim can only see see look look and write blog.


  35. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 18:24:21


    For the benefit of people like I, not so good in Chinese language, and also for those totally can’t read Chinese, I appreciate you translate your last comment in English.


  36. Rhan
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 18:33:03

    A true Malaysian,

    I apologise first. I think my English is not good enough to do the translation. Maybe Hsu can help?


  37. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 19:48:22

    Logical points are not well received especially to those where the points supposed to be aimed to.

    Cilipadi’s famous quote, siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas is so true to these people.

    wassup and Rhan, can you share out your knowledge on Hudud Law? I know nut about this law. MCA is so well known with Hudud Law that everyone of us still confused.

    Rhan, you are a great pretender, you did no wrong, what for apologise?


  38. petestop
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 22:07:07

    A theocratic state is ruled by dogmas, it does not change with time, only with the select few who interprets them.

    It is fine for those ultra-conservative who does not want any changes with time, and basically stuck in past.

    On the other hand, I would believe majority of people would like to change with the times.
    Like with new technology, comes new boundaries of human liberty and explorations.

    Such changes CANNOT be accomodated by a fix dogmatic laws such as those expounded by a theocratic state.

    In a Secular state, we can make changes to the laws of the country. In a Theocratic state, there can be no changes, even if it no longer suites the times.

    Freedom is the liberty to make own choices and changes according to the times.

    I’ll take Freedom anytime…


  39. Monk
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 22:08:44

    Dr Hsu,

    I apologize to divert your attention from this blog dialogue by inviting you to be interviewed. My office has directed me to contact you, inviting you for an interview.

    You know me. I shall be most grateful if you could kindly contact me or my editor to confirm your consent. Tel 03 22835567

    Thank you Dr.



  40. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 22:13:26

    Rhan commented “无论是马华还是民政,如果目标正确,依然还有一番作为。共勉之。”.

    If I can translate it correctly, he means, “whether it is MCA or Gerakan, if their aims are correct, there will be still room for them. Let’s us encourage each other”.

    What is the aims that deem correct here, Rhan?

    I can’t help but have the opinion that there are many people like Rhan around. I hope these likewise people can spend sometime in reading comments of our Malay brothers in the Malaysian Insider in response to the article titled “Umno must change or risk losing the next election”.

    One of the comments read like that:-

    written by ISMAIL KASSIM, January 20, 2009
    malaysian insider needs to understand 2 things. in life only 2 things is definate – if there is a birth there has to be death. any birth has to face death if not now then in due time. so let umno die . the sooner it dies the better for malaysia and malaysians.

    with umno around , the malays will never get around to becoming malaysians . remaining malays has too much benefits and there is no incentive for them to become malaysians . hence , the shift from a malay mind to a malaysian mind will never happen. and if this shift does not happen then malaysia is doomed.

    better UMNO be doomed then malaysia and malaysian be doomed.

    Rhan and likewise people, you guys are just ‘out-of-date’. Open wider your eyes and mind, not just at Umno, MCA or Gerakan only.


  41. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 22:15:40

    Ok, monk, since you are a person I have utmost respect, I will. I shall call tomorrow morning…And thank you for asking me, the small insignificant fly, for the interview…


  42. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 22:23:21

    thanks for putting so elegantly about what a theocratic state is about. It is about rule by men, just like in an absolute monarchy.. and there is really no avenue to appeal against any rulings coming out fromt the religious council.

    This is why DAP, especially Karpal Singh, so dead against implementation of hudud. That is why Gerakan , from top to bottom, is against a theocratic state, even though a lot of us may not have any fear of hudud law implementation. This is one area that everyone in the party agrees upon…

    If PAs can give the promise that it will not implement an islamic theocratic state, I am sure it can gain much much more support than the present ..


  43. chinseng
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:05:09

    Dear A t M,

    This is my standard advise to a11 Malaysian who don’t believe in God… don’t live in Malaysia! … as the first PRINSIP of our RUKUN NEGARA is “Kepercayaan Kepada Tuhan” hehe

    Dr. Hsu is giving himself a time frame to wait and see before he act and I believe that many Gerakan members also the same… giving themself a time frame to think very carefully before taking the next step and i think one year is a long enough time frame… so one year for Doc until Oct 09… ok?

    AtM, I support you 100%


    “In this secular world of ours, Hudud Law may infringe on human rights as imposing Islamic values on non-Muslims is in itself ‘un-Islamic’”


  44. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:22:17

    chinseng, yes. A year is sufficient timeframe to see any real change being implemented.

    So far, what we have is the watered down version of reform promised in 2004… And being the watered version, it would have little impact on society…

    HAs money politics lessened? Just look at KT by election. even journalists are being given ang pow. If this not a form of bribe? We dont know who gave, but whoever gave this has committed bribery and should be hauled up for prosecution..

    HAs any genuine social nettings be put in place in view of the worsening economic scenerio? NO.

    What we have is the 5 billion to valuecap. Look at Bursa KL. Near the end of each day trading, there is buying and pushing of certain index linked stocks to artificially trying to maintain the level.What is the use? What is neede is real economic packages to lift the economy.

    Tax cuts, moratorium for NEP, stimulus spending that is being prudently spent on areas where multiplier effects will be greatest…These are what will be needed..

    The country was in front of Korea and equal to SIngapore in the sixties… In the early eighties, Korea has coaught up and SIngapore moved in front of us… Now SIngapore and Korea as well as Hong Kong has gone so far ahead of us that we are now competing with Thailand.

    Now that this crisis might develop into a world wide depression, have our leaders been prepared for it? HAve we adopted any measures to deal with the crunch?


  45. Monk
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:23:36

    Thank you so much Dr. Please call

    Kai Ping 016 970xxxx or call the general line and kindly ask for kabilan (Dpty Chief Editor)

    to schedule the place, date and time.

    It’s an honor to meet you and meet you in person during the interview.

    TQ monk


  46. Dr Hsu
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:26:53

    monk, will do so tomorrow…


  47. chinseng
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:28:42

    Dear Doc Hsu,

    Sad to say that our next PM still telling us that our country’s economy fundamantal are still very strong and will not be into depression… what say you??


  48. A true Malaysian
    Jan 20, 2009 @ 23:32:31


    Thank you. I am aware of the Rukun Negara. Apparently, those who drafted Rukun Negara did not have the facts of all major religions right in the first place. But since the intention of Rukun Negara is for the benefit of all, I do not wish to touch further on this point.

    God is an essence for Abrahamic religions and without believing in God existence, such religions simply don’t hold water and I can understand this.

    That explain why your statement, and I can accept that. Nevertheless, the freedom of believe or not believe in God is entirely up to our beliefs.

    Freedom of religion is enshrined in our Constitution, the supreme law of the land. So, can I regard this overrule ‘Rukunegara’? Hehe, I can still stay in Malaysia then.



  49. Atila
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 01:04:47

    Salam…Dr Hsu

    The truth is : UMNO will never change.

    I dont care whoever in UMNO reading this now, the truth must be said.

    Even after GE 2008 then PPauh by-Election then KTganu by-Election….they applied the same old tactics which are the mistakes, which they dont learn, their denial state is so great they refuse to listen to rakyat.

    PM and TPM each with their own website served no purpose at all.

    Until such time God gave them avenue to improve yet their arrogance & denial rooted from “nafsu” hindered their mind heart and soul from looking beyond their narrow perspective, Allahswt will take everything way.

    As it is now, slowly Allahswt is taking away one seat after another….

    Dr. Hsu,
    Gerakan must start to organise itself either to friend with UMNO until UMNO’s sinking days or jump onto a life boat before UMNO capzised.

    Contingency plan, Dr. Hsu.

    I always view that Gerakan can manouvre over 20years to be the next PKR, provided to throw away the embedded Chinese stigmatism, to have more respect for all race and religion, then this party may stand a chance to afloat on its own.

    Otherwise, Gerakan is neither here nor there.


  50. Atila
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 01:23:25

    Dr Hsu,

    Even if UMNO MCA MIC GERAKAN would want to do mega change, my view is different, I would never vote for any of BN anymore for the next 20 or 30years to come.

    I am a Malay Penangite, sudah cukup for me to see that GERAKAN and UMNO did.

    No vote for BN.

    People like me put aside BN in a container, dig a 6ft hole and burried it forever, we want to look forward for the betterment.

    Even if PR has hiccups, its better to be with hiccups rather than BN, “pirates of Malaysia”.

    Enough is enough!!

    When we voted every term, for each and every new term, there will be many UMNO millioniares in the making which I could not understand.

    Therse people are not Managing Directors in Bursa Malaysia companies, nor CEO of FTZs but having damn bloody rich (sorry for the language) with branded cars and mansions.
    Some are just Form 3 education with no contribution, no even Managing Directors of any top companies, out of the blues the house became 3 storey mansions and with 5-7 luxury cars in the compound…..carrying title Dato’.

    Is this BN UMNO is all about???

    When we question the division head, why UMNO dont do this or that, we will be labeled “anti-eatablishment”.

    Sorry no vote BN at all.

    I would rather vote for PR and face their hiccups, teething problems, and this people will learn each other along the way.

    Political parties are not “forever” lifetime entity.
    BN UMNO GERAKAN MIC MCA & its components will wither along the way in time and global influences.

    Malaysia is a new country of 51years, history is even yet to begin.

    Let begin history now.


  51. Dr Hsu
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 07:53:46

    The government should be frank and honest with people.

    Malaysia is going to be affected. ALready there were retrenchment, or cutting down the working days for workers etc for many factories and businesses.

    It is better to tell the people to prepare for the rainy days then to give false hope .

    Petroleum, palm oil has gone down so much . Electrnoics are being affected…Govt think tank MIER has revised growth rate to 1.3 & but citibank estmates our growth to be 0.5% this year. Persoanlly i think recession, officially defined as 2 consecutive negative quarter, will be here… Malaysians always manipulate certain figures to make things look rosy.. but at the end of the day, it is not the appearance that counts, but rather the real situation on the ground…

    People will be out of work. Crime rate will shot up…

    So why are the leaders still acting lke ostriches, hiding their heads in the sand and thinking that everything will be alright?

    That is the worst form of leadership…


  52. Rhan
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 09:46:40

    A true Malaysian,

    My understanding of logic is very little but I am trying to know more, for an example, I don’t see the logic to raise question like “who do you think is better between PAS and UMNO.” I see this type of question as merely political rhetoric because anyone with logic mind would tell we should reject both due to their Ketuanan ideology unless we have an unknown agenda.

    Therefore logically speaking, Cilipadi’s quote may not be that logic after all in the Malaysia context because many are trying to defy the logic by using the excuse of arithmetic, although knowing that PAS agenda is to set up a Islamis State. This is like telling us that cilipadi is not pedas, unless we makan it.

    Same like you, I know nuts about Hudud law. However, unlike you, I don’t dare says I am not afraid of this law. I will support PAS and at the same time oppose to the implementation of any religion law and religion state.

    If you really want to know more about Hudud, you should ask LKS and Karpal Singh as both of them are very firm on their stand to oppose this law. Hence, I believe they should know the Hudud law well with their legal background. Ignore MCA, until today, don’t you notice that MCA still can’t differentiate a Islamic State under PAS and one under Mahathir?

    No one would ever imagine KMT could rise up again, I don’t know if there is a reformed being carry out on KMT or cause by the decay of DPP, probably both. I wish not to see the same thing happen here in Malaysia. Out of date is better than out of touch.


  53. Meng
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 10:58:18

    “”Btw, not four witnesses, should be four Muslim witnesses!
    Non-Muslim can only see see look look and write blog.””

    Hey guys this means the muslim would have the license and a field day in raping non muslim women.

    Still want hudud and a theocratic state


  54. pohwatchdog
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 11:24:14

    Is we make the right choice? BN needs to change within with
    the right choice. Isn’t PR is copy BN style? They are playing
    the same mechanism like BN.


  55. Dr Hsu
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 11:30:57

    thank you for your comments.

    the comments have given us a lot of food for thought, and how a certain section of malaysians think..

    Hope you will continue to give us your thoughts , even though each of us may see things differently, we should keep our mind open and listen to all views ..



  56. klm
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 16:39:51

    To hudud or not to hudud. That is the question.

    Applying hudud punishment for criminal offenses may not be a bad thing. Unless we plan on stealing and or killing people, the chances of being punished under hudud is less than being robbed or killed by criminals.

    Beside, we need less prisons. Cutting off the heads and limbs of criminals will definitely have an deterrent effect.

    So what is wrong with hudud.


  57. petestop
    Jan 21, 2009 @ 21:38:01

    Atila view on what is wrong with UMNO and BN is spot on.

    There are many such “middleman” who does NOT add any value at all, but taking their cut and adding cost to every businesses in this country.
    Just because they are from particular political party and were issued the licenses.

    Short term gain, but long term lost.

    Unfortunately the soon-to-be PM is the chief of them all.

    Take for example the APs issued by MITI.
    What does all these AP Kings do to deserve thousands of these APs, just relabelling an imported car and put a local name to it.
    Does this qualify as a “national” car ?

    They don’t even seems to care, if it undermines the National Car Project (Proton), which is the reason why Malaysia have such high tax on imported cars.

    So, on one hand they ask you to be patriotic and drive a Proton.

    But on another, they issue out all these APs, so that imported cars can come in, so that they can make a profit without adding any value nor breaking a sweat.

    So, really who is cheating who ?

    It should be rather obvious by now, and the most dangerous thing is that UMNO does not stop short of blaming it on the Chinese whenever it suits their purpose, just to continue to blind the Malays, as to who is really cheating them.

    And the saddest thing is that MCA and Gerakan are both part and parcel of this Racist and Extremist setup, continuing to cheat the Rakyat in every turn of their life.


  58. Atila
    Jan 22, 2009 @ 00:44:26

    Thank you Dr. Hsu for providing this platform for us all to express our views.


  59. Tedewin Ngumbang
    Jan 29, 2009 @ 16:30:04

    Very interesting commentary by you, Dr.


  60. Alex
    Jan 29, 2009 @ 16:32:07

    Thanks for a great post


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