right of association of an elected representative belongs to the people

The whole situation in Perak can best be described by using the Cantonese phrase “Mou Gan Tai”  literaly meaning ” No eye see” or ” don’t have the heart to see’.

Although under the Constitution, Malaysians have freedom of association, it is just morally wrong  to ignore the mandate from the people and ‘hop’. They should go back to the people to seek the people’s mandate again if they wish to change side. This applies to politicians of both divides.

Amidst accusations of millions being offer, I would like to say that to cross sides because of certain monetary or post inducement is very immoral , both in the case of the inducer as well as the recipient. By doing so, they have actually circumvented democratic principles and betray the support given to them by the people.

Yes, they have the right for free association as individuals, but as representatives of the people, this right is no longer theirs alone to exercise , but the right should rightfully belong  to the people.

Even before 916 when there was so much of hoo haa about cross over, I was of the opinion that whoever wanted to cross must resign and re contest their seats. In that case, if Anwar could have secured enough MPs to do so, resign and recontest, and these MPs could win again under Pakatan, then it would be alright to have a change of government at the time. That would be and should be the right way to do.  But of course, 916 is now academic.I was hoping then there would be changes, but even changes have to follow the wishes of the people, who are the actual bosses of the country.

As regards to the legality of the letters of resignation, and the EC’s rejection of the speaker’s ruling that the 2 has resigned, I think the famous constitutional lawyer Malik Imtiaz Sarwar has made a very good argument that EC should not be seen to be making judgemental decisions, which will be perceived to be taking side. You can read his article here.

Just heard a rumour that the State assembly will be dissolved.. Which means that the people can exert theri power again. That should be the right thing to do, as advocated by my blog article yesterday.

Advertisements

70 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 14:00:22

    I agreed to the fully the statements, both Dr. Hsu’s as well as Malik Imtiaz’s.

    What is so difficult to face your bosses, the rakyat?

    Like

  2. zztop
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 14:02:09

    Agreed with Dr comments.
    Either dissolve the State assembly or hold by-elections for the two “ex-PKR” traitors.
    Its really sad and angry, with the current world economy crisis etc… and here in Bolehland we are stupid, greedy and unbecoming politicians going for each other throats for reasons they know best.
    To the 2 or to maybe 3 politicians in Perak, either quit PKR and let the rakyat decide again on the new by-elections. We have had enough of politics. Just let the rakyat decide who should represent them and then move on to help the country move forward whoever wins.

    Like

  3. Sani
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 14:41:34

    Dr

    Again we see how the BN folks cause so much trouble + waste resources of the country. Just call the damm By Election + solve the problem.

    With a lousy bunch of BN idiots dragging the country thru’ misery, can you blame others in receiving millions, just to cross over + vanish from the scene later.

    Yes, it is immoral to except bribes in general but look around you…………….. In our environment ………….. In our so call leaders…………….

    “Jung2 Jig2, Jung Siu Hug Sick” (Too honest, in the end you will beg for a living)

    Like

  4. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 15:22:36

    You know the old saying.

    If you see a politician and a snake. Kill the politician.

    Like

  5. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 15:38:42

    Malaysiakini report,

    Perak Gov’t on the brink of collapse.

    This is the true colour BN, or rather Najib?

    Like

  6. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 15:48:39

    I sincerely wish Sultan of Perak consents to dissolve Perak State Assembly. For all fairness, get fresh mandate from Perakian.

    Anything lesser than that is deemed injustice to rakyat.

    Like

  7. Kingto
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:02:56

    Who started this defection issue first??? That’s politics and do not blame BN blindly. Where is Anwar? All are the same bunch of *******.

    Like

  8. peng
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:19:25

    Dr. Hsu, I really have no eye see now. This is getting so frustrating!

    Like

  9. Yong
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:29:58

    Let’s hantam them nicely this time in the forthcoming election.
    Let’s change BN to BeEnd now !

    Like

  10. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:30:42

    This is the test of democracy. You may not like its mess. If you cannot accept the shit, then you cannot demand for democracy. Who say democracy is nice?

    Like

  11. nick
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:36:31

    The Sultan of Perak answers to no one and he is above manipulation. My take is that he will listen to the Perak MB to dissolve the assembly. The snap election, albeit restricted to Perak will be a most keenly watched one because it will spell the end of BN. How is UMNO going to contest this election as many of the leaders can’t even tell whether they will be in their jobs or not come April? Politics is not frustrating, it is loads of fun. Peng, I disagree with you. Otherwise, why should I read Dr. Hsu’s blog. Ha ha ha.

    Like

  12. romerz
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:37:41

    Not so simple doc. Bastards in UMNO/BN are trying to pre-empt the dissolution and trying to steal the state government without a by-election.

    Lets hope the sultan acts in a fair manner as demanded of him in his role as constitutional monarch.

    Nizar should have moved for the dissolution 2 days ago when the situation looked untenable.

    Lets us pray he can convince the sultan in time!

    Like

  13. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 16:46:50

    romerz.

    You appear in Malaysiakini

    http://www1.malaysiakini.com/news/97574

    But the report does not tell the full truth of your stand, it seems.

    Like

  14. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:00:18

    Defection in itself reflects “immoral” of that MP or ADUN.

    But defection on moral ground and clear conscience to correct a “wrong” system “right” without monetary gain or self-interest is still acceptable to me. That is the huge different between defection from BN to PR and PR to BN.

    In short, forget who start the defection first, just go for fresh General Election in Perak, better still the whole Malaysia. Once and for all.

    Pak Lah, can you do the last favour for Malaysia?

    Like

  15. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:06:30

    Malaysian Insider :

    Behrang assemblyman Jamaluddin Mohd Radzi, Changkat Jering assemblyman Mohd Osman Mohd Jailu, DAP’s Jelapang assemblyman and Perak state assembly deputy speaker Hee Yit Foong and Bota assemblyman Datuk Nasaruddin Hashim spotted at the office of Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.

    How much to join UMNO and MCA or Gerakan?

    Malaysia is still a third world country. Money speaks louder than principle. Especially, when you don’t have any.

    Revolution, anyone.

    Like

  16. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:09:11

    Third word problem requires a third word solution.

    Like

  17. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:10:30

    17.07 Bernama reports Najib as saying that the BN has the numbers to form a new state government in Perak.

    http://anilnetto.com/uncategorized/high-drama-in-perak/

    Like

  18. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:18:25

    5.08pm: The Perak government has fallen. Najib said at his press conference that the Barisan Nasional has the support of the four former Pakatan Perak assemblypersons – three will be “BN-friendly” Independents, while Nasarudin will rejoin Umno. Najib will meet the Perak Sultan as soon as possible. He said it is up to the sultan to decide on Nizar’s request for dissolution of the assembly. At the same venue, Nasarudin denied the claim that he had been abducted.

    go Anil Netto for latest info.

    Like

  19. CYC
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:40:58

    That’s the true nature of politics! If you too soft to handle this kind of sudden change then you may as well quit. Politics is made out of many types of personalities, those with principles, with ideologies, with greed, with hatred, with desires, with ulterior motives, with nothing but just for fun etc, etc. Which group are you belongs to?

    As klm said : third world problem requires third solution. If you think with first world mentality like DR Hsu, you will find yourself lack of audience but mere spectators who don’t give a damn to what you are trying to articulate or reason out. At the end, you are a victor of morality but loser in the real battle ground.

    Drastic change can only happen through revolution, as i said before. But we need a charismatic personality with high intelligence couple with strong conviction to set the ball rolling. when will the MAN arrive? I don’t know.

    Like

  20. Sani
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:47:05

    Dr

    Waaaaaaaaaah! If this low cast power grab by BN succeed, at least your Party have a few more years of life lah. Enough time to prepare for the faithful day.

    But we the people are not worried, because BN’s style of politics had long been out fashioned + it won’t be long before BN will be pushing up the daisies anyway. What is a few more years.

    Just that, it is such a shame to see a grand + noble idea like the Alliance / Kapal Layar turned into a bunch of thief in all imaginable ways.

    It is such a waste as well, to watch a conscious like Gerakan, associated with them.

    Way to go Gerakan!!!

    Like

  21. Justin Choo
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:50:00

    CYC,

    Yes, we need great leaders with
    Charisma
    Intellect
    Integrity.

    I have wrote this many times.

    Let’s throw shoes at all the politicians and their cronies!!

    Like

  22. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:50:39

    I have a perverted idea for people of Perak. Now is the time to ask for lost of money for Perak. Najib will definitely give. Roads, bridges, schools, drains. Take as much as you can. Contracts.

    Like

  23. Justin Choo
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:56:24

    Dr Hsu,

    I hope I didn’t read wrongly . Astro just flashed Perak MB announced State Assembley dissoloved!!!!

    Like

  24. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 17:57:03

    5.50pm: Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim accused BN of trying to form Perak government ‘by hook or by crook’.

    “We are pushing for a dissolution of the state assembly and fresh elections in the state. We must go back to the people and get a fresh mandate,” he told AFP.

    “The BN are trying to form the state government by hook or by crook – more by crook.”

    Like

  25. Dr Hsu
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 18:14:43

    i have just told my leadership that such action is very wrong. Both sides are wrong in this case, with both sides trying to use ‘unusual’tactics to induce crossing over…

    Let the people decide. Anyone who wants to cross over must go back to the people. It is a matter of principle.

    Like

  26. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 18:22:38

    Dr. Hsu. The people do not have a chance to decide. It is the politicians that are deciding. The people have not say. Only a revolution by the people can take back the power. Like Mao Tze Dung said “Power come from the barrel of the gun”.

    Like

  27. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 18:35:53

    The whole thing in Malaysia is rot to the hell. People with conscience within BN would not be able to clear these rots.

    Let’s face the truth, Dr. Hsu and Borneo Warrior.

    Like

  28. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 18:39:04

    A little bird news. I cannot confirm this. No announcement yet. Seems the Sultan agreed to dissolve the State Assembly and call for by election.
    Police in Perak has just asked for reinforcement from KL.

    Wait for news tonight,

    Like

  29. petestop
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 19:04:20

    Out of this rotten business, at least show some light.

    The fact that none or little from PAS and DAP that defect shows that most of them are principled lots.

    Dangling millions, which can last generations for average Malaysian in front of the ADUNs, is indeed very tempting.

    I would vote for PAS and DAP again.
    However, PKR really lose a lot of credibility, their “senjata makan tuan” is really a good lesson to DSAI.

    Karpal Singh have consistently raise up against snatching the govt by defection, and I fully agree.

    Like in tech world, you have really succeed unless you have failed before.

    So, PR, don’t be disheartened, take this opportunity to strengthen your base and rebound back.

    Like

  30. Dr Hsu
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 19:05:21

    I agree with Khoo Kay Peng’s view that BN may have won a battle but they would lose the war…

    Like

  31. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 19:14:35

    petestop,

    Like what I commented, a majority of PKR Malay members were ex-Umno. Their mindsets still very much like Umno. They need a lot of brain cleansing by their non-Malay comrades like Tian Chua, William Leong, Sivarasa, Elizabeth, Sim (if I am not wrong) to assist them to correct their umno mindsets.

    Let’s hope klm little bird’s news is correct.

    Like

  32. eugene
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 19:27:57

    Whatever happened in Perak is an organized confusion, only those with tons of money able to do it, unfortunately PR do not have the money.BN will take over Perak state govrnment and there will be no snap poll.MB of Perak had desolved the state assembly and completed his briefing with Sultan Azlan Shah at 5.30pm, hoping against hope that the sultan willl give his consent and I think the MB will be very disappointed. Like I said, those who opposed the power-that-be will either dead, disappeared or jailed, that is if they can’t buy you.

    Like

  33. eugene
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 19:43:13

    written by Raja Petra, February 04, 2009 13:54:42
    LATEST UPDATES: Umno about to launch a coup and will meet the Perak Sultan this afternoon to form a new state government. Zahid Hamidi or Hamzah Zainuddin to be the new Menteri Besar of Perak ”

    Not a good sign for rakyat..

    Like

  34. petestop
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 19:44:32

    If so, it will only teach the generations to come that money is everything.

    Money can buy you power.

    Money can absolve you of murder.

    You can practically get away with anything if you have money.

    So, the new official religion for Bolehland, should be the Almighty $$$

    Like

  35. Kenny Gan
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 20:21:12

    What has the righteous Koh Tsu Koon who was so against defections got to say about the situation in Perak now? Or am I too naive to expect any scruples from him?

    Like

  36. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 20:44:16

    A commentator, Faizal, shared my view in The Malaysian Insider,

    PKR & UMNO Expected but Hee Yit Foong is a Pariah now
    written by faizal, February 04, 2009
    I support & vote for PR because DAP & PAS are principled parties who are consistent and their current alliance are still one of ‘agreeing to disagree’ on a lot of matters, so for that I respect them.

    As for PKR, so many members are former disgruntled UMNO members who bought along the same culture with them I am still ambivalent about the party.

    So that is why while I have nothing much to say about the other defections, I am extremely disappointed by the actions of Hee Yit Foong, who take her disagreement with her party leaders all the way to appearing with Najib in the press conference and still ‘cry wolf’ the past few days claiming broken heartedness… the rakyat is not stupid, it is pre-planned and you’ve been caught out in the open.

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/17602-nasaruddin-wants-to-see-strong-government-in-perak

    Like

  37. eugene
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 20:53:19

    Yee Yit Foong, you are the biggest scum of the Malaysian Chinese society, you just sold your soul to the devil, we will not forgive you.

    Like

  38. petestop
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 20:56:14

    There should be a new Chinese term now for those who betray us.

    It is called Hee Yit Foong.

    So, the next time somebody out to betray you,
    please shout to them, please don’t “Hee Yit Foong” me.

    In this way, we can all commemorate this sad chapter in Malaysian history.

    The Perak state ended up with all Malays govt, with only 2 Chinese, one from MCA and one a “Hee Yit Foong”.

    Like

  39. eugene
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 20:58:24

    Correction – just in case

    the name is ” Hee Yit Foong ” the biggest scum of the Malaysian Chinese society . . . . .

    Like

  40. OBAMA
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 21:01:47

    I AM INCLINED TO AGREE THAT EVEN IF BN DID BUY THE FROGS OUT, THAT IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. ANWAR TRIED TO DO THE SAME BUT FAILED, NO ONE SAY BAD THING OF HIM.

    AROUND THE WORLD EVEN IN USA, SPORE & HK, POLITICS ARE A DIRTIEST GAME. INTELLECTUALS, ACTIVISTS AND ORDINARY FOLKS WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT (I DOUBT DR HSU, MALIK IMTIAZ, KHOO KP CAN UNDERSTAND IT). IT IS NOT EASY ESP IN MSIA TO BE FULLY DEMOCRATIC AND CLEAN. MOST IMPORTANTLY IS THE GOVT CAN PERFORM AND AS FOR BN TO CHANGE. LKY FR SPORE A GREAT EXAMPLE.
    SO POLITICS IS NOT ABOUT IDEALISM AND BEING NICE ; MOST PEOPLE HEREIN YR BLOGS ARE TOO NAIVE!!!

    Like

  41. OBAMA
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 21:05:35

    BY PRECEDENT, NO SNAP ELECTION SHLD BE ALLOWED BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE VOTERS, PERHAPS IT IS FAIR TO CALL IT.

    RAKYATS MUST NOW BE NEUTRAL TO JUSTIFY AND UNDERSTAND THE REAL POLITICS AND NOT JUST BELIEVE MALAYSIAKINI AND BLOGGERS. OPEN OUR EYES FAIRLY AND NOT JUMP INTO CONCLUSION PARTICULARLY THOSE BN HATERS !

    Like

  42. A true Malaysian
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 21:21:38

    I highlight below press conference of Najib as reported in Malaysiakini:-

    Will the three be joining Umno and BN or will they remain as independent?

    They will remain as independents but as BN-friendly independents (representatives). Independents that would support BN.

    Can you clarify when you say that BN has 28 seats and Pakatan also has 28 seats but with three remaining independent how can you have a majority?

    (The three independents) would support BN in the state assembly. In the case where there is a need to vote on any issue in the state assembly, they would support us. Whatever we decide on they will support us and they will defend the BN state government.
    _________________

    Just imagine, “BN-friendly independents”. This will make Malaysia the greatest laughing stock to the world.

    Malaysia Boleh?

    Like

  43. cilipadi
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 21:34:46

    to the commentator using the name ‘OBAMA’,

    I am neutral since I am a non-Malaysian.

    I am also appalled with your country would be Prime Minister.

    He is a very very good ‘Architect major in political landscape’.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas.

    Like

  44. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:11:53

    my2sen worth of the situation in Perak
    =========================

    What ever the final outcome, win or loose, the winner is Najib.

    What this exercise did whas to show Najib can plan, execute and win if Badawi is out of the way. This is an important message. Did you notice Badawi dont look so enthusiastic.

    That was why Tajol Rosli, a Badawi man, was removed and Najib took over.

    Whatever happened next dont really matter. Najib have stengthed his position in UMNO. He can win back Perak anytime.

    Like

  45. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:15:50

    I dont think Najib is worried about the next general election. That is a few years away. He is more worried of making sure Badawi leaves in March. Did you see him gloating in the press conference?

    Like

  46. romerz
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:20:00

    From my blog;

    http://romerz.blogspot.com/2009/02/wait-minute-najib.html

    Wait a minute Najib!

    What a tumultous day today was in Perak and I do not think its over yet! This is despite Najib declaring that BN has the numbers to form a new Perak state government. (TheStar Online report HERE).

    Perak’s system of government (and Malaysia’s as well) is based on UK’s Westminster system of a democratic parliamentary system of government. Amongst the key characteristics is that parliament (in this case state assembly) may be dissolved at any time upon the request of the ‘SITTING’ MB.

    Alternatively, the opposition (UMNO/BN) may move a motion of no-confidence against the MB and his government in the state assembly and a vote is taken by all assembly persons. If the MB and the government side can’t defeat this motion, then the MB must either resign or dissolve the assembly and request for a general election.

    Raja Petra explains the Westminster system in greater detail HERE.

    Despite all the MSM saying that the PR government of Perak has fallen, the fact is the PR state government under MB Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin is STILL the sitting government sworned-in by the Royal House of Perak.

    And when MB Nizar went to see HRH The Sultan of Perak to request for a dissolution of the assembly, he did so in his capacity as the MB of Perak and by convention of the Westminster system, the Head of State (in this case HRH The Sultan of Perak) should accede to the request even though HRH does have discretionary ‘power’ empowered by the state constitution.

    My understanding of this whole fiasco is that before Najib can announce the formation of a new BN government, he must first remove the existing sitting PR government. As it stands both PR and BN now have 28 seats each with 3 independents claimed to be “BN friendly” by Najib.

    Effectively, what we have here is a hung state assembly and unless and until a motion of no confidence is moved in the assembly, the status quo remains! And the status quo is PR is the state government and Nizar is the MB! Because it is a hung assembly, the MB has chosen to face the electorate again and HRH should grant him this request. It is the honorable and right thing to do.

    In a sense HRH Sultan of Perak had been put in this unenviable position to safeguard the institution of democracy by UMNO/BN.

    What Najib is trying to do now is to ignore democratic conventions of a Westminster system and to subvert the will of the people last recorded on 8 March 2008. If Najib succeeds in carrying this off then it is a sad day for Malaysia’s democracy.

    Then it is up to us ordinary Malaysians to fight for justice and the rule of law and have this day ingrained in our memory forever. NEVER again to UMNO/BN!

    Like

  47. Yap
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:44:26

    DAP keep up the infighting and you have more Hee Yit Foong. Have factions just like MCA and it will be the end of you.

    For Hee a woman to leave DAP must be hell for her to make that decision. She must have been pushed to a corner and force to take that decision.

    Like

  48. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:47:06

    romerz. I think the real play and the bigger game is for Najib to make sure that Badawi handover the PM post. You can hear whispers that Badawi still want to stay on after March.

    As for Perak, we have to wait for the Sultan’s decision. He is the foremost expert on Constitutional Law.

    Like I said before, I dont think Najib care what happen next. He made his point.

    Like

  49. Dr Hsu
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:50:34

    Obama,

    Politics ultimately depends on the ground support. whoever wins the heart of the people wins eventually.

    I have asked many peopel about this hopping, and most people i ahve asked today are disgusted with these sort of buying.

    That is why, even if they can buy win over the governemnt by this means, they will not endear themselves to the people… Of course, it is also wrong for the other side to entice using money, that is why i think we should go back to the people if anyone wants to alter his association..

    right now, the sentiments on the ground are very much against BN. ANd whatever initiatives coming from them will be viewed with distrust, especially when money politics is involved.

    So, to win back the people’s trust in the long run still depends on good governance and people orientated policies, and not money politics…

    Like

  50. Monk
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:52:07

    It is a sad day that Malaysia under BN governance is bankrupt of whatever (is left) of political integrity, morals and values by snatching power and making a mockery of the ballot box. UMNO has “money-tised” both the electoral and corridors of powers with no respect to the people’s voting rights.

    It took only four rotten frogs with self-vested interests and personal grouses to deny the voting rights of the Perak voters and people’s democratic choice.

    I agree with Khoo Kay Peng totally. UMNO-BN has won this battle but will lose the future war, and I foresee, will be worse than 308 at the next GE, which UMNO is planting this seed now. Resentment and anger will harden and rightly so against this bankruptcy of our political culture.

    As for PKR, play by the sword, die by the sword. A bitter lesson well learned even though its political aim is on “hopping” to overthrown a rotten government is immoral except through the ballot box. This will earn more respect from the political divide. As for UMNO, this undemocratic move and disrespect to the voters has shown this corruptible party will never change its tainted ways. It’s only a matter of time, it will karmically strangle itself to death.

    monk

    Like

  51. Dr Hsu
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 22:57:52

    some little birds told me that Hee left because of certain infighting within DAP Perak.. All is not well in DAP Perak… Perhaps it should do some soul searching on why one of its representatives turn against them…

    Like

  52. romerz
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:08:22

    Dr Hsu,

    Hee left because of the Ngeh-Nga cousins. Whilst effective and decisive as politicians, they lack people skills and comes across as abrasive.

    Nevertheless they are instrumental in getting a lot of things done in Perak.

    The problem is with Hee for letting the smaller issue cloud the bigger objective. I guess too much emotions involved with her.

    Like

  53. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:13:14

    Dr Hsu. DAP always have abrasive ,uncompromising, ” I am always right ” leadership style ala Lee Kuan Yew and Lim Kit Siang. Until and unless DAP changes its leadership style, it will not, like the Chinese say, do big thing. This is the single biggest weakness of DAP. Hard to change lah.

    Like

  54. romerz
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:19:27

    Yes klm, I hear it too but unfortunately for Badawi most of the UMNO warlords act on strength and they see Najib as the stronger leader despite his baggage.

    To the warlords, baggage be damned so long as their leader give them permission to do unconstitutional stuff and profit from it.

    For this country to change for the better, we have to prevent Najib from taking over as PM. UMNO has to be put in opposition for at least 2 terms before real reforms can take place.

    Failing which then we ordinary Malaysians have to fight for weak Badawi.

    It is the lesser of the 2 evils!

    Like

  55. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:25:02

    Without the ability and patience to get supporters fully on your side, one can be movers but not shakers. Movers are drivers, shakers are leaders.

    Looks like this is the case in DAP Perak. You loose a link when it is most crucial. Beside a woman is more vengeful and vicious when angered.

    Like

  56. klm
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:28:51

    romerz. If you hear about some of the re-structuring that Najib is planning. It is scary.
    It will be Interesting to hear your thoughts on this.

    Like

  57. romerz
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:33:34

    klm,

    You put into words my thoughts exactly about Hee. I didn’t dare put it in writing for fear of being bashed as sexist! 🙂

    Which by the way I’m not. I let my wife rule the roost so long as I can stand tall in public.

    Hahaha, I’m starting to sound like a pathetic egoistic member of the male species.

    Like

  58. petestop
    Feb 04, 2009 @ 23:36:54

    Who says that there is a lot of infighting in Perak DAP ?

    The mass media, or the Hee Yit Foong traitor ?

    Just check through all her statement leading up to today and you judge for yourself whether this person is a trustworthy person ?

    Or is she just helping to cook up what MSM deems as DAP internal struggle ?

    Dubious statement by a confirmed traitor apparently.

    Personally I knew the Ngeh and Nga cousins, as they are my church members.

    Ngeh is too soft-spoken to ever be abrasive, actually I wonder how he can become politician, although he is one of the most dedicated person I ever known.

    Nga is an excellent orator and indeed can be abrasive, however, the only time I heard him in that mode is in his lecture against BN.

    He is an ambitious lad, however, if you ever listened to his debates and lectures, I think you will agree that given all the odds against the Opposition, we absolutely need someone of his calibre to be up there representing our small voice.

    I just wonder how Hee Yit Foong’s friends and relatives will feel by her betrayal…. not to mention her constituent.

    Like

  59. cilipadi
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 01:11:21

    I predict the whole episode will be back-fired your would-be PM, though it is none of my business here.

    Just see.

    Like

  60. DAP Sluts
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 03:16:13

    Fucking DAP Traitor Bitch! Curse her and her whole family! She will never have peace!

    Like

  61. klm
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 09:13:50

    romerz and petestop. What I get from you just confirm my view of the DAP Perak leadership. While well intentioned, they lack the ability to lead troops to battle. Also, some comments from Lim Guan Eng was, frankly, quite insulting.

    I read Hee is disabled. She walk with a limp , suffered from polio in childhood. That means she probably has a sensitive character and bear a pyschological scar. She is probably not suited for a soul sucking, thick-skinned job in politics.
    (Dr. Hsu, this is more your line – pyscho analysis)

    In other words, it was a mistake of DAP of putting her as a candidate and another mistake to make her deputy speaker. Maybe, DAP just lack people with ability.

    Remorse will probably set in after the anger has subside. There may be more tragedy coming from this direction. I dont think Hee can cope with the pressure she is getting from all side.

    Like

  62. nick
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 09:20:40

    Most of my colleagues are cursing this “Hee”. She has sold her soul to the devil. What a traitor. I can understand if some UMNO chaps jump ship as everyone knows how to save his own skin when the vessel is gone but jumping out from the DAP (PR-faction)? Doesn’t make sense unless it is for money. If I ever see her crossing my path, I hope to land an egg, no that is too civilize, I mean a rotten egg into her bloody face. In the old days, the emperor will order her limbs to be torn apart by four horses. Shitty woman. Not fit to be a chinese.

    Like

  63. VoiceOfPolitics
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 10:26:10

  64. andyksyong
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 11:16:46

    So all eyes are on Sultan Azlan now: a fresh election, BN to form new govt or merger?

    Apparently many prefer a fresh election particularly PR supporters but what if the results are back to square one ie slim majority? Wastage of public funds? More defections drama again?

    The immoral practice of party-hopping often leads to the fall of democratically elected governements. Indeed there is a need to consider anti-defection laws to bear against such practice. Allowing the people to elect their wakil rakyats is one of the finest achievements of democracy. The idea that the government must be representative of the people and anwerable, responsible and accountable to the wishes of society is a firm pillar of contemporary political morality. Conversely the right to speech and association are also the essential pillars of a democratic set-up, the life-blood of a free society. So it is a subjective issue where one may argues on both sides on the commonly called ‘unethical act’ of ‘crossovers, hoppings, defections, jumping-ships’ as in our current poltical scenario.

    Unfortunately, elected assemblies are not always representative. Even in the liberal democracies of other countries, the ideals of representative government are realised only imperfectly. Though democracy is the best form of government invented by human beings, there can be no denying that behind the folklore of democracy stand many myths and many utilitarian compromises.

    On the other hand, by judicial precedent, the apex court had once decided in 1982 that an election need not be called as the mere majority was able to form the new government pertaining to the Consitution. In addition HRH is not bound by the advise of the PM or incumbent CM or the wishes of the parties but the paramount consideration is the confidence of the majority of the members of the Assembly. In any event, it must be remembered that precedents must not only look good on paper but must also function well.

    Allowing BN/PR joint government will definitely cause many problems and not practical which will lead to more losses at the peril of the people.

    Will it be a bad precedent if a government is formed due to the defectors’ support? If yes, Anwar Ibrahim may just has to wait for the next general election.

    Like

  65. petestop
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 11:22:13

    klm,

    Remember that before 308, DAP was just a small underdog ? Nobody gave them any chance.

    Unfortunately many good people never wants to sign up to DAP, they prefer to sit in kopitiam (and nowadays in the blogs) and curse the govt.

    Obviously there is no profit in joining DAP,
    better join MCA or other BN component.

    They are just fighting for their ideology of democratic socialism, social justice for all.
    Which, need I remind is suppose to be the same
    ideology for Gerakan, which the have but abandoned since they joined BN.

    So many of the DAP leaders have to play multiple role, that is why many of them had to contest for both state and parliament.

    Ngeh and Nga are both successful lawyers, they don’t really need to be in politics. They have already have a comfortable life.
    Yet they, especially Ngeh Koo Ham, still puts a lot of volunteer time into our church, despite his hectic schedule.

    I would say that DAP have given a great platform and opportunity to Hee, for the disabled and the underrepresented.

    Yet the moment she got a glimmer of power and $$, she decides to jumps ship.

    What have she ever done for Perak to deserve the rights to be the power-monger in Perak against the wishes of millions of Perakians ?

    Like

  66. klm
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 11:56:52

    petestop. You are spot on. That is the fundamental weakness of DAP. Galvanising the people and rallying them to its cause. This is still something it is not doing well. As you said, most Malaysian are armchair politicians. Just sit and talk and blog (like me). Without a base to build on, it is hard.

    On another note, I saw this in another blog (harisibrahim)

    In 1982, the Federal Court in the case of Sarawak United People’s Party (SUPP) member Datuk Ong Kee Hui versus the then party chief Sinyium anak Mutit ruled that the arrangement of submitting an undated resignation letter to the Speaker was contrary to public policy and therefore void.

    I think one of the judge was Azlan Shah – present Sultan of Perak. It may be tough for him to argue out of this.

    Finally, whatever the outcome, we have to accept it. This is part and parcel of democracy. We may not like some of the results of democracy, but we have to live with it.

    Whoever say democracy is clean, moral and upright is a fool.

    And, at least we live another day to fight for what we think is correct. Democracy give us this. In other systems we will be in the Gulag. Just think about this. So don’t get mad, get even.

    Like

  67. cilipadi
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 12:23:24

    This someone is talking nonsense in saying “Apparently many prefer a fresh election particularly PR supporters but what if the results are back to square one ie slim majority? Wastage of public funds? More defections drama again?”

    I also can know BN has no chance to win if an election is held in Perak. Gerakan people is like that?

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

    Like

  68. CYC
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 13:57:20

    All the known facts are there, we just need to be patient to wait for the Sultan to arrange and put everything in proper order. Right or wrong is up to individual to judge. Due process must be adhere to, that is important.

    Interesting to note that all other BN component parties are all bystander in this high drama except UMNO. Probably all of them have gave their mandate to UMNO to perfect the final touch. What say you, Dr. Hsu? Show us your justification to remain in the coalition that don’t need you and Gerakan to be around. Suddenly, i realise that the man who understand what principle meant are those who can even write or spell that magic word but not those who would define it according to many perspective they deemed right.

    DAP’s integrity is still there even though one HYF has defected. However, their problem is they seriously lack of elected member with quality. Perhaps there many within them but LGE & gang hinder their emergence, i am only guessing as i m an outsider.

    MCA, what more need i say. They are the Chinese representative of the Big patronage system practice by BN. Just go to any village and you will see how their system work prior to GE308 or even now in those state BN controlled.

    MIC is dead especially the chief. No amount revival skill could reestablish its influence it once commanded so long as Hindraf is alive.

    Yet i must say that anything is possible in politics. The caveat is one must quickly find a way to make their party become relevant to the rakyats aspiration, be it just perception or real.

    “Face it, deal with it, leave it as it is” These are the three steps of Master Shen Yen’s way of dealing with problem. May Dr Hsu find the meaning in it when deciding your next move. My negative comment on you and Gerakan are only meant to add another dimension in your critical thinking process.

    Like

  69. Monk
    Feb 05, 2009 @ 18:36:12

    The “bastardization” of our impeccable Westminster system has ended with UMNO-BN’s fangs successfully clawing back control of Perak state. At what costs?

    The peoples are the biggest losers. Lessons of this episode need to be remembered.

    The law of the jungle rules, naked power and all.

    Malaysia has scored another shame. We can no longer depend on our rulers to uphold democratic principles.

    monk

    Like

  70. Trackback: Short term gain and long term loss « Dr Hsu’s Forum

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: