A by election which will be a referendum

There is definitely going to be a by election.

PAS MP for Bukit Gantang passed away this morning.

While my condolence and sympathy are with the family of the late MP, the MP’s death will force a by election in the  Parliamentary constituency , which includes the state seat of Cangkat Jering, the seat of one of the ‘frogs’ who had jumped ship.

It will be interesting to see how the people will vote. It is going to be a referendum of sort.

Looking at the sentiment of the people right now, especially Perakians, it would be tough for BN to win back this seat, and if PAS wins again with a much higher votes, it will be a slap on the face of those BN leaders who had engineered the ‘coup’.

How much money is going to be poured in? Nobody knows . BUt one thing is almost certain . I need not be a fortune teller to tell you that PAS is going to win with much bigger margin no matter how much money is used…..

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83 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. HeeHeeHee
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 19:20:22

    HeeHeeHee! Hehehehehe!!

    Who cares PAS win a bigger margin!

    Got a camry new one model 2009…. How comfortable u know… Who cares government change!!! Heeheehee! Hahahaha.

    Who cares they boycott the parents…

    By the next GE, I may be one of the top 50 rich man , who cares!! Hehehehehehe!!!

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  2. HeeHeeHee
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 19:23:47

    HeeHeeHee,
    aiyoyo!

    this year give me camry. I can also buy a mercedes….

    Get the parents out of the country… Buy a big house for them somewhere…..

    money talks… No money no talks…

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  3. cilipadi
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 19:57:30

    The schemer for Perak coup never know he has to face the voters so soon.

    I have Chinese friends who frequently told me, a smartest person will miss out something somehow even though all points thought out well before executing his plan. Looks like this is too soon to happen. But, can do anything. Someone is more powerful it seems.

    Well thought plan?

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  4. Richard Loh
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 20:09:06

    The money force, the police force, the media force are all on their side and I am very certain that they are planning now how to get a new force to work in their favor. I am afraid, very afraid that things might turn ugly when they are facing such a bad bad situation.

    Who knows, they maybe working hand in hand with the EC to microscope through all the election acts to see if there are any loopholes not to hold this by election.

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  5. cilipadi
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 20:35:06

    After reading RPK’s article “What more to say?”, how I wish I am a Malaysian and be a PR politician to help up their line-ups. PR has the moral values that BN lack of.

    Good people like Dr. Hsu should join PR,….my view only, you don’t need to agree, Dr. Hsu. I am just a foreigner that happen to like your country. Malaysia better, I stay longer, if not, I just fly away, like a migratory bird.

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  6. Monk
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 22:23:07

    Hee, heee, Man proposes and God disposes. Divine intervention happens at lightning speed.

    But it is only the beginning…the year is still young. As for Hee, a Camry is a heavy to pay for the daily curses heaped on her. Curses are energy fields and it will last a long time but before the energy goes weak, the “explosion” will take place and we just have to sit tight and watch, the natural divination takes place, naturally, of course.

    Justice will take place no matter where she, her children or family hides. There is no place to hide from divine tribulation. Imagine 12,000 voters cursing her with emotions, day in and day out.

    You have no idea how energy works……like a lightning strikes…..

    monk

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  7. klm
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 22:27:21

    In one of the threads, I hoped that heaven will create some vacancies so that by-election can take place in Perak. I dont mean that someone will die.

    Sometime one get what one hoped for but not in the way one want it. Sigh.

    It is a sign from heaven.

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  8. chinseng
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 22:51:13

    Very interesting to see how the people in Bukit Gantang/Cangkat Jering will vote this time. It is a referendum for BN after they take over the Perak state government from PR. This is used to be BN stronghold and contested by GERAKAN. BN now need to win back this Paliment Seat to show that they have the support of Perakian. Their challenge come too early!

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  9. chinseng
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 22:54:41

    HeeHeeHee… one thing I am very sure. you will never become the top 50 rich MAN .. haha

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  10. Monk
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 22:56:53

    Morality is not a western concept, it’s rooted in cosmic laws.

    I like to make a quotation spoken by someone.

    “Today, we are facing two crises that could wipe out the existence of mankind. Both crises, leading to total destruction were brought about by the conscious acts of all people on earth.

    “The other is total destruction of our internal world. By this, I mean the loss of our own sense of humanity and spirtuality as a result of egotistical competitiveness.

    “These two forms of total destruction are rooted in our selfish mentality by which we endlessly pursue material (monetary) desires. Overcoming the block in our consciousness and psyche to address these issues which originates in our self-centered mentality, is one way of living for which the present and future generations should aim.

    “I call the way of living in which, guided by our innate virtue given us by heaven, we unite the inside and outside, ourselves and material objects, now and future generations, and the here and now with earth citizens, the “Beyond philosophy of future generations.

    “I am convinced that we must go beyond our present materialistic value system to establish a higher level value system that enables us to continually reach for a spiritually and philosophically elevated self.”

    By Katsuhiko Yazaki (Chairman of the Future Generations Alliance Foundation) Speech delivered to a function attended by Anwar Ibrahim when he was Deputy Prime Minister. Also attended the same event was Najib Razak when he was Defence Minister.

    See how destiny played in the arena of politics, both are fighting each other now in the Malaysian theatrical political stage.

    Divine karma has strange play-outs.

    UMNO and its principal actors will reap what they sow, like wheel of the cart following the hooves of the Ox. Ooops!! the year of the Ox. What a coincidence.

    monk

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  11. klm
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 23:08:33

    Nizar might be PAS candidate for Bukit Gantang.
    Wonder who is BN’s candidate and from which component party. Gerakan has no MP. Maybe Gerakan could be fielding the candidate since it held this constituency before. If, so, this will also be a referendum for Gerakan. Any BN candidate is like a lamb leading to a slaughter house. And if it is Gerakan – hmmm.

    I am waiting anxiously for the development.

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  12. cilipadi
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 23:20:01

    Monk,

    “Perception is dangerous”. I agreed fully with A true Malaysian.

    Malaysia should do away “Politics is about perception”. I can see a lot of Gerakan here have the perception that Gerakan still have chance to survive with Umno around.

    Divine intervention cannot be escaped, one has no choice but to face it with a repentance heart, admit and repent for wrong doing like murder, rape or rob.

    On a lighter note, are you a Buddhist monk, Monk? Now I realise how true is Buddha’s teaching.

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  13. Monk
    Feb 09, 2009 @ 23:59:30

    Cilipadi,

    I agree with you that perception is dangerous which I previously said, it’s time Malaysians get rid of perceptions. Politics should be rooted in values and principles. But easier said than done, hence the rotten world state of affairs including here in Bolehland.

    No, I’m not a monk. labels are not important, just a name. A person dressed in monk-robes may not be a “monk” and outward appearance is of little significance. Many smart looking politicians dressed in suit and tie can be poltergeists in character.

    Spiritual planes have no names. Sages are nameless. I am imperfect like everybody else.

    To read politics, we probably have to be blind with our eyes and read through our hearts. Remember I think in 1994 (correct me if I am wrong) we had some 7 by-elections….I wonder this Ox year can break that record. There will be or rather I think, Malaysians should have more chances to send a referendum (to deliver a collective single verdict) how they feel towards UMNO, the wicked leadership.

    Cilipadi, welcome to Bolehland.

    A proverb said: “Where there is no vision, the people perish.”

    I’m afraid this country is facing this situation.

    monk

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  14. VoiceOfPolitics
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 00:25:20

    This by-election is over before it has been started.

    http://voiceofpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/the-court-of-people-is-resumed/

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  15. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 00:29:04

    monk,

    Thanks for enlightened me.

    “Many smart looking politicians dressed in suit and tie can be poltergeists in character.”

    Your statement is true. A dog without suit can be better than politicians dressed in suit and tie.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas.

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  16. bbc
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 01:12:45

    hee hee hee and chin seng,

    that hee is a she and not a he.

    hee hee hee, be happy coz you just got your Camry.

    oops, am told for nationalism, no CAMRY and its Proton Perdana for everyone.

    God is great. You are back to square one. NO CAMRY for you, ok.

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  17. monsterball
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 03:46:59

    Yes Doc…no matter what UMNO do…bribe…threaten…steal…or kidnap…Malaysians will vote for change of government.
    What’s happening is simple.
    We have seen Lee Lam Thye did that to DAP.
    So one more or few more….quite natural in this corrupted country….encouraged by UMNO.
    Why do you think Gerakan is in BN for….to unite all as Malaysians??
    There are clowns too in parties.
    PAS have Hadi Awang and DAP have Karpal Singh.
    Karpal’s rage and temper against Anwar have been shut down by LEG.
    He did that too…in Trenggannu…to PAS.
    He did that too in Parliament…yearning to be suspended.
    He is a clown….makan gaji buta.
    He should join MIC.

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  18. Atila
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 04:24:50

    Dr Hsu

    Noticed how govt is becoming an unbecoming govt since getting into Perak.

    After their failure at one By-E to the next, they come with great vengeance.

    A by-E in Bkit Gantang, Insyaallah be favouring to PAS and BN still its old tactics.

    When defeat is always accepted in denial state, human will turn protective and the Govt is turning into Shah Iran.

    I dont want to play God but as we can see by next GE2012/13, the chances of PR sweeping majority seats at all states is pretty high.

    Deploying its SBs to nooks and corners of Malaysia, the Govt will be by then be real Shah Iran to ensure full footing to rule forever.

    I m concern.

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  19. robertchai
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 08:52:38

    Let be sensible, rational and not emotional.
    Perakians want political stability, economic development, social development and racial harmony. Let Perakians especially Bukit Gantang people decide for themselves.

    They will make a wise choice. Is PR really competence, transparent and accountable?
    We will get the answer.

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  20. nick
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 09:38:44

    Dr Hsu says: “BUt one thing is almost certain . I need not be a fortune teller to tell you that PAS is going to win with much bigger margin no matter how much money is used…..”. Your instinct is perfect. Please tell me where I can bet my RM $$$. I listen to KTK video in Malaysiakini asking LGE and LKS to explain their stance on Karpal. But somehow, I feel KTK has missed the big picture. The Majority in Perak voted for PR not BN. How legit can the present coup be? Where are the high ideals and principles that Gerakan used to stand for? I now find Gerakan = MCA = UMNO = MIC. Totally corrupt, absolutely vile and condemned by most Malaysians. Go to hell BN!

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  21. klm
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 09:53:15

    This was reported Sept last year

    “Gerakan should leave the Barisan Nasional ruling coalition because it has only created chaos among the component parties, Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail said”

    In spite of all the talking, I noticed that in recent months, Gerakan have been adopting a more conforming style. In fact the tone have been getting milder, with regard to UMNO and BN.

    Maybe, Ahmad “Pendatang” Ismail did frighten Gerakan in becoming more BN.

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  22. Meng
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 10:29:25

    When groups are sidelined from job opportunities , it will result in the rise of gangsterism, robberies etc etc. When political opponents are badly treated with threats and brute or physical force the same results applies.

    With so much brute force applied on the PAS pers, a day will come when some of them will feel enough is enough. An off shoot from PAS would arise that would go underground and apply the same methods and techniques that BN/UMNO have carried out. BN politician will be kidnapped or the worst physical force to cripple them. This cannot be ruled out as examples has had been set by UMNO. It happens in most countries that are plague with political high handed methods in dealing with opposition parties.

    This would lead to a mild stage of terrorism in the initial stage. As the pace of brutal actions by the ruling BN/umno increases so would these offshoots or sparrow groups retaliating with the same methods and manner.

    UMNO must learn that their actions will force the opposition to this situation. In the end Chaos and disruption reign…

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  23. tangwengheng
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 11:32:29

    The impending Bukit Gantang parliamentary by-election to be held as a result of the death of its incumbent MP will provide a much-needed platform for PR to demonstrate its strength and popularity among the People.

    Bukit Gantang, previously a Barisan stronghold but was lost in the previous GE, is a Malay predominant seat. A stronger than before victory for PR will reaffirm the general sentiment that the ‘new’ state government lack the moral authority to rule. A defeat for UMNO will be a crushing blow to the in-coming PM, signalling the forthright rejection of UMNO/BN among Malays/Malaysians.

    Let’s use the Bukit Gantang as a referendum. Let the People’s voice to be heard.

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  24. CTLee
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 12:18:17

    Dr. Hsu,

    How disgusting to see KTK who was humiliated in Penang by UMNO, still wagging his tail among the UMNOputras.

    Forget about Gerakan. Why not join PR and boost up their strength. We need patriots like you who knows the Truth and speaks the Truth. Time to move on.

    AMERICA Boleh, MALAYSIA also Boleh!

    p.s. May be you should also
    encourage Ku Li to join you.

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  25. Frank
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 12:32:22

    It’s actually ‘buy election’ that will take place and virtually, it’s ripe time for the power that be to use money from the national coffer to stimulate the pockets of the warlords in the constituency. Wining or losing is immaterial! Referendum or sort is of no significance at all for they only believe in the strong do what they like, they are the tyrants and they are strong enough!

    It’s only until next GE, we will then see all the hyenas abrupt change to dress like rabbits and as tame as rabbit to beg for votes! Of course it will be at the greater expenses of the rakyat and the national coffer! Even they lose, they are going to be filthy rich, listing in top 50 richest man is possible!

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  26. klm
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 12:48:01

    In the Penang open house, KTK wanted to make friend with UMNO. But later UMNO said, they are not ready to friend Gerakan.

    See KTK tak malu. No self respect.

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  27. CTLee
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 13:21:26

    Dear `Monk”,

    You sound pessimistic. That we have no vision. What we are going through now can be equated to female labour pain. The joy will come after this difficulty period.

    Each of us just need to contribute to the change, even by writing to blogs like this. We cannot force change, but we can contribute to change.

    Everything exist because of right conditions. We just need to stick to the Truth and speak the Truth, even if we are the minority.

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  28. peng
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 14:54:07

    Dr. Hsu,
    This is what we mean, ‘teen yau ngan’ (directly translated ‘God has eyes’).
    And I believe we will see more of this divine intervention.
    If I am the traitor Hee, I will be very afraid.

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  29. klm
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 15:16:37

    Thought I let you know the other view on Bukit Gandang by-election. This is a majority Malay constituency and an UMNO stronghold. I was told that UMNO lost in the last election because UMNO had the wrong candidate .UMNO people voted PAS. This and plus the Chinese votes swung the constituency to PAS. This time, it could be 50-50.
    and BN is optimistic

    It don’t look like a shoo in for PAS. It really depends on PAS and PR strategy now. The ground swell helps. But, it might need more than that.

    Unfortunately, the unhappy feeling with BN is mainly in the urban and surbaban areas. Bukit Gandang is very much a rural area.

    So don’t get your hope very high.

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  30. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 15:24:48

    PR, to be a formidable front, should not differentiate Malaysians into Malay, Chinese, Indian and so on. Let’s BN play race politics that they used to.

    One race cannot prosper in the expense of the other race. Political analysts tend to analyse voting according to race. They shouldn’t do that.

    Multiracial politics begin with all races and all people. Just let BN plays their old outdated game.

    This is my advice as a migratory bird. If animals are color blind, why not you Malaysians?

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  31. klm
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 15:34:47

    cilipadi. Unfortunately, when it come to vote segmentation and analysis, the most precise way is still by race, due to common interest grouping. Even, in the United States, the demography is still cut by race group.

    sorry to disappoint you. But this is the reality today.
    50 years from now it may be different.

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  32. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 15:56:01

    klm,

    If everyone keep on mentioning about race, the word ‘race’ will be imprinted in one’s mind concious or unconciously. Then, 50 years from now will still be the same.

    In some countries like Australia, mentioning of race in for example, job advertisement will be penalized under Discrimination Act or related laws. From a person’s name, one would not his or her background. It is so obvious and yet race still need to be mentioned. Your government is underestimating people’s intelligent. It is indeed an insult.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  33. romerz
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 16:11:00

    cilipadi,

    It is already imprinted in our minds since we were brought up from young that belonging to the correct race in this country is important.

    As for anti-discrimination in this country, did you know that Malaysia is not a signatory to the UN’s “International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination”?

    http://romerz.blogspot.com/2008/12/indonesia-passes-anti-racial.html

    Thinking along racial lines may not completely disappear one day but we must make every effort to suppress it from the surface. (Much like in the USA)

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  34. mohd razali
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 16:12:10

    i’m not sure if Nizar is the best candidate for the by-election in Perak.his tongue is twisted.first he said something then after that he said something else.flip flop.i cant put much hope on candidate that couldn’t stick to his words.

    election in Perak surely gonna be the bottomline for PR and BN at least for for as who’s rakyat in favor of.whatever it is,the lose party have to step aside and let the real winning team take over Perak.enough said.

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  35. klm
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 16:30:22

    cilipadi. I was speaking of race from demography standpoint. We cannot avoid race from that sense.

    I agree with you on the Anti-discrimination. The rest as per romerz.

    The Bukit Gandang by-election is do or die more for PR. Not so much BN yet.

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  36. monsterball
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 17:34:00

    Since Independence….race and religion politics was started by UMNO….supported by MCA and MIC.
    Mahathir had the golden opportunity to unite Malaysians by discarding that out-dated politics.
    Instead he strengthened it….and encouraged corruptions.
    Malays are programmed to depend on UMNO.
    Chinese …Indians and other races…will defend with their lives…if UMNO goes too far…favoring one race.
    4 years ago…the opportunity to discard race and be Malaysians became real.
    And it was Anwar Ibrahim….that showed Malaysians…….how to unite as one.
    So on race issue…vast majority citizens are proudly calling themselves as Malaysians.
    Particularly….Malaysian Chinese know China will never recognized them as Chinese at all.
    There is no race issues here…except UMNO….MCA and MIC…are trying to separate us.
    Only those that are selfish and calculative….those Chinese that support DAP may be thinking on the race line….supporting DAP.
    Those are less educated Malaysian Chinese…determine to fight MCA. It is a fact…majority Chinese support DAP. MCA depends on Malay votes..to win elections.
    Now..Malays are more educated…and ca stand on their own two fet to earn a living in the commercial sector. They work under Chinese bosses…and begin to realise…UMNO is fooling them.
    Bottom line…vast majority want change of government….no matter how much UMNO try to bribe…the die is cast.

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  37. monsterball
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 17:54:07

    Do or die for PR is on the 13th election…not by any by-election.
    By-election is sort of facts finding exercise.
    So far…the two famous by- elections are won by PR.
    If loose Bukit Gandang…..it is not the end of the world for PR.
    PR cannot keep on winning every by-election.
    The odds are against them….and pro BN smart guys in this blog… know that.
    Pro MCA and Gerakan commentators may love to use this by- election….to drum up all sorts of after effect….if PR fail….knowing the odds are against PR to keep winning every by- election.
    If PR looses…just watch all the fortune tellers from BN….comments.
    From day one…..PR won 5 States….there is non stop judgment passed on their performances..their characters….while bribing …threatening….are done…behind close doors….sort of…..”take the money..or get ready to go to hell”…sort on threats.
    Yes….it seems bribing works.
    So what??
    People’s Power….cannot be bribed.
    It involves their children’s future.

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  38. Monk
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 21:19:18

    CT Lee,

    No, I’m not being pessimistic. Life cycles of men, nations and planets have their own callings.

    Malaysia has its own life cycle but the problems will not be solved through politics. We find that there has never been a time when peace has been established universally via politics on this earth.

    We have to look at the larger picture and it’s more complicated than delivering babies.

    For example, when an individual changes his own future, it is due to him making up his mind that it can be done. UMNO for that matter will not evolve for the better. Most of the miseries the country going through are due to UMNO and a submissive citizenry though the latter, is slowly gradually changing.

    It will take time maybe not during our generation. The only help or consolation I would think is that of “upstairs” (heavenly)…2009 year (symbolic) as you have aptly said, once the labor pain is gone, the deliverance takes place. Partial changes, that is, provided a 2-party system strengthens itself and not get killed by UMNO.

    Like darkness just before the dawn, silence before a storm or the pause at the turn of the tide.

    Gut feelings….more divine interventions in May…ha, ha, sorry, have to laugh, it’s the only free and cheap pastime in life. It’s also the best medicine during stressful times.

    This nation will moan………

    monk

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  39. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 22:18:16

    Two-party system will not be there as long as Umno is there. Two-party system needs two parties with ‘conscience’, with ‘morality’.

    I read in Malaysiakini, that

    Pakatan Rakyat need a conscientious crossover to form a federal government and reform election laws within a year or so before calling for a general election, it is just too risky, because ‘conscientious’ is not a common word in most Umno dictionaries.

    Do you notice ‘conscientious’ is not a common word…..?

    Marvelous, Bolehland always have PM from Umno without ‘conscientious’.

    New to me…..indeed.

    Read someone’s message carefully. In between, there are ‘traps’…don’t fall into these booby traps.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  40. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 22:32:29

    If both sides of a two-party system are of the highest morality, conscience, then Bolehland will see a true two-party system where hopping of one side to the other will not be question on ‘morality’, but on ‘ideology’ ground.

    Monk, do you agree with me on this?

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  41. CTLee
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 22:35:57

    Dear Monk,

    Thank you for your very articulate and philosophical views. I can’t agree with you more.

    Change will come not only through political struggle, but also by ‘Purification of the Mind’ as taught by all religious teachers.

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  42. Monk
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 23:19:48

    Cilipadi,

    Ha, ha, you’re right but this is not real, not on earth or even astral planes of existence. But in spiritual planes, there are no political parties. All spiritual beings are their own centers of the universe.

    There is no bribery there, ringgit is man-made. Even in higher astral planes, houses or consumer products are mind-created from refined energy particles. There is no poverty and best, there is no prime minister or ADUNs who crossed over just because of a exco seat or a RM100,000 Camry.

    Cilipadi, I like the way you said, the highest morality….no not on earth even in developed countries….quite near maybe, some European countries with better political systems.

    In Bolehland, it’s still tribal and primitive politics, like wild animals over territorial rule and all types of idiotic laws, cannot question this and cannot question that. Who the shit, there are no immortal beings who are above gods and deities. They die in the end. Born from a hole, and die in the hole. All these craps about “raw-yer” and constitution. What is so sacrosanct about a political ideology or even man-made constitutions, more sacred than spiritual laws?

    If these unscrupulous politicians can bring the dead back to life and give life itself, than perhaps, they deserve some respect from what they say and do. For example, in the Perak coup, some idiot said those defectors are “independent” but ‘friendly” to BN, therefore, BN has the majority.

    What utter rubbish! What is the definition of “independent”? Friendly?

    I can accept Independent lawmakers “agreeing” to policies or some specific ideology but not “sleeping in the same unethical bed” and yet proclaiming independence. Some leaders need to go back to the English class. They think we, Malaysians are idiots like them.

    Well, ha, ha Malaysian animal farm politics, we have here aplenty. And looks like a snake will be “the” leader come March. Oh, I mean, Chinese horoscope, you know who.

    monk

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  43. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 23:38:03

    Monk,

    It seems ‘morality’ has no value at all in Bolehland. Soo Huey commented in romerz’s blog, morality can be compromised. A young girl said that. Can you imagine that?

    Perhaps this is why Dr. Hsu does not regard himself as ‘politician’ as morality simply not exist in politics.

    Your would be PM with snake horoscope is really something. He introduced the term ‘Glocal’ and now ‘friendly Independent’. Then, he was chosen to be President soon, and u guys have no choice but to accept him as snaky PM soon.

    Bolehland democracy like that one? He in fact treats Malaysian as idiots. U and many definitely not idiots to me, only some yes.

    idiot makan cili, idiot rasa pedas

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  44. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 23:44:11

    Himself an idiot? Maybe….but without him realizing it.

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  45. cilipadi
    Feb 10, 2009 @ 23:50:47

    This round, myself a migratory bird stop in Malaysia for long. Long because of these political stunts that entertain me a lot. Hope I would not become an idiot after sometime.

    If Singapore has this like Bolehland, ‘Red Dot’ will turn into ‘Black Mole’ of Phua Chu Kang.

    Bolehland boleh.

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  46. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 00:00:20

    Monk,

    Highest morality not real, not in this world as you commented.

    Perhaps, the next best option is ‘beyond corruptible’.

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  47. Dr Hsu
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 11:37:32

    I see a lot of good leaders compromising on their morality after they become MPs or ministers, or exco..

    Power corrupts.. Especially when you are surrounded by the trappings of high office, with people constantly saying good things about you.

    They tend to lose touch with the ground too… especially when they become pawns of their own popularity and trying to attend as much as 7 to 8 functions a day, doing nothing except becoming the so called guest of honour….and listiening to all the ‘customary praises’ which these politicians take as true praises from the people.

    After sometime , they begin to think that they cannot be wrong, and cannot be wronged….

    Thereare of course good leaders, but they are rare… The type like Gandhi and Deng Xiao Peng and Lincoln, they are rare…..

    We have plenty of politicians but not real leaders or statesmen….

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  48. Dr Hsu
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 12:07:47

    Dr Tan, who has joined PKR and quit Gerakan, used to tell me that he was so busy attending functions ( he was proud of himself being able to receive 7-8 invitations a day in his constituency) that he has got no time to think, let alone strategise for people…

    And he was so lost after being dropped from the deputy minister’s position. That could be part of the reasons that he teamed up with Kerk to chalenge LKY in 2005 Gerakan election…

    I am sure Lim Kit Siang did not have to attend so many meetings a day. That is why he could maintain his blog, and got more time to think…

    A politician must not try to gain popularity by just being nice to people and attending functions and so on. More importantly , they must be able to formulate and ppush for people orientated policies. Other wise , they might as well be in the Public relations business.

    Lee Kuan Yew does not attend so many functions in his own country..except the very important ones..And whenever he goes overseas to attend meetings, he always seeks new ideas and thinkings….

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  49. for nikki
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 12:45:51

    Dr Hsu said,

    “We have plenty of politicians but no real leaders or statesmen…..,

    “…they must be able to formulate and push for people oriented policies. Otherwise, they might as well be in the Public relations business.”

    So true. Did anyone notice how the Perak MB2 was feted by the politicians (cum sycophants) at Yuk Choy School Ipoh? Rejoice, our gravy train is back on track!

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  50. PKR Lover
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 13:56:29

    Sedarkah bahawa kedua-dua katak ADUN di Perak sebelum ini serta ADUN Siva itu sebenarnya dikurung oleh Anwar Ibrahim sendiri!!!

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  51. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 14:07:37

    Dr. Hsu and all,

    As a migratory bird, when I read so many comments that somehow reflected ‘morality’ is not important as far as Malaysian politics is concerned, I got a shock. Malaysian stoop so low? Power is everything that each individual’s morality can be compromised?

    If this is true, then Malaysia cannot be a great country. Do you want to tell or teach your children that “power” is more important than “morality”? If yes, go ahead, I better fly elsewhere.

    Morality is the basic and most important criteria to be a good person, good leader, as far as cilipadi is concerned.

    Those who doesn’t agree, you makan cili, you rasa pedas.

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  52. CYC
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 14:13:39

    Look at Chang Ko Youn. This clown the No. 2 of Gerakan now being appointed a special adviser to Perak BN state government. He represent fairness, equality and justuice as expounded in Gerakan’s constitution? Congratulation Dr Hsu, he being a lawyer has the gut to answer why should BN convey a state assembly sitting to gauge who actually command the the popular vote. He sounds arrogant and opportunistic and cunning. this is the leader Gerakan proud of. He represent Gerakan, don’t he.

    An intelligent man of virtue who are willing to be blind folded and drag to evil part is a man with little wisdom. For all those Gerakan member with con…..????

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  53. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 14:42:24

    CYC,

    Exactly, morality is the key word here. If that Chang Ko Youn or other exco have the “morality”, the illegal state government of Perak will never be formed even if your Sultan of Perak allowed such government to be formed.

    On this, those holding positions in Gerakan, who has high morality and conscience, should resign. Not doing so is you people telling people at large that you have no moral at all.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas. Shame on you guys. Just look at your Mah Han Soon, newly appointed Perak exco. Does he has high moral in this?

    As an outsider, I am not blind like you Gerakan members.

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  54. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 14:45:33

    A true Malaysian was right, you guys are just tools of Umno. Umno is making you guys to fill up the numbers, just to show that ‘they care for non-Malays’, fullstop

    You still want to act in concert? Dr. Hsu?

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  55. Gerakan Watcher
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 15:16:58

    That is why Gerakan needs to find better leaders and not just yes men to UMNO.

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  56. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 15:33:14

    “No man” has all left, only “Yes man” left behind. Dr. Hsu is not a “Yes man”, but he is not reporting to Umno, but “Yes man” in Gerakan.

    In short, for example, Dr. Hsu’s “no” answer to KTK will become “yes” when report to UMNO.

    Gerakan members, you are all useless as far as a migratory bird is concerned.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas.

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  57. Dr Hsu
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 16:20:56

    As I have written in internal emails, the leadership does not represent Gerakan, and Gerakan belongs to tens of thousands of ordinary members like myself and others..

    Unfortunately, we do not have a leader to galvanise all of us into a force, and I myself, being a non politician, is only fighting an opinion war inside the party to influence.

    You need to have certain ambition to become a leader, and i do not have such ambition, only a deisre to speak from my heart on what is right and what is wrong..

    But ultimately, when the time frame is up, I will not continue voicing out…

    Alos, I am actually doing a favour to the opposition forces when I am voicing out heretic views inside the party, influencing members to think like the oppostion.. But our leaders have always been proud that they are the oppostion inside BN, have they not?.. SO they cannot fault me to voice out like an oppostion memebr… can they? BUt the worse I can receive is of course being kicked out from the party, and I , as a person not seeking any position, would not even blink if they decide to kick me out…

    That is why a thorn is called a thorn..

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  58. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 16:47:02

    Dr. Hsu,

    I know your time frame. You have mentioned over and over many times. When you set your time frame, did you foresee Perak coup happened? My bet is no.

    Perak coup was a greatest mistake that a bad precedent should not be there and it warrants you to shorten the time frame. You and think alike Gerakan members should leave the party. Internet access is still not wide in Malaysia and many people do not read your blog. They do not know your thinking. They only know you are part of the immoral Gerakan.

    Forget about MCA, they are even worst than Gerakan. This is the only consolation for your beloved party.

    If you leave Gerakan, you do bigger favor for the whole Malaysia, not for me, a migratory bird. If not, you are just wasting your time. Let KTK and the like rot to hell,why bother?

    If the time frame is up, you should continue voicing out….on different platform, on Independant friendly to PR, perhaps?

    While you voicing out, KTK and his team do otherwise. Tell me, worth your ‘voicing out’?

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  59. CYC
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 17:30:20

    An overly compassionate mother often spoil their own kids – this is the rough translation of old Chinese wisdom. How true? you be the judge.

    Insensible loyalty is the most stupid trait a person ever possess. Make sense? you evaluate it.

    When one think within a box, he will be subjected to restriction of the four borders that actually void. Is this rubbish? Can’t you vouch it? may be …..

    Am i being rude? yes and no. depend on your perspectives and calm mind to stimulate the many possible answers. The western wisdom is base on duality concept where our oriental wisdom is unique that it can base on quadruple concept. sounds stupid…

    Reality is politics is not for the weak. In order to influence others, you need power. Stop dreaming of influencing Gerakan to quit BN as the decision is “at the hand of few with absolute power” otherwise it had quit 10 months ago. what is in the mind of ordinary members even though 80% of them don’t count if no referendum is held. This is the TRUTH.

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  60. Monk
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 17:38:06

    Cilipadi,

    Sigh**!! It’s sad, you’d have thought that the snake became an MP at age 22, and all these years, he would be a good snake but has changed into a anaconda.

    monk

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  61. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 17:54:25

    Monk,

    I can’t help to be furious when anyone tell me morality is not important.

    This is the mission I took to make people, especially Gerakan members, to realize the importance of MORALITY.

    MORALITY come first for cilipadi, a migratory bird. How can I tolerate “compromised morality”, you tell me.

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  62. cilipadi
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 18:04:32

    Dr. Hsu,

    Your thorn is no more a thorn. It is blunt, not sharp to cause paint to KTK and his goons.

    Your thorn, the most, can tickle them. Just see for yourselves the way they deal with the Perak fiasco. Shameful, morality is gone.

    By the way, I heard KTK is a Buddhist. Tell him, he shouldn’t call himself a Buddhist.

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  63. Observer
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 19:35:29

    A man of high morals makes a good monk but a lousy politician and it is because of his morality & commitment that Dr. Hsu remained in Gerakan to uphold his pledge and oath of loyalty to his party. It is an intellectual wrong decision but a correct moral obligation which he himself has decided.

    Trials and tribulations are part of life’s journey and patience will stand him in good stead.

    He is advocating a 2-party system and trying his foremost to change from within . Before his time frame is up, we should leave him in his element to try rather than asking him to throw the towel.

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  64. pohwatchdog
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 20:25:08

    It doesn’t matter who become the adviser to the MB. What we want is someone who have ideas to work hard for the Perakians? Perak need economy development, social development, better local government service, infrastructure development, better multi racial representation in government service and racial harmony. No point blaming other for the fall of PR government. Look at PR for their incompetence, differences among PR leaders, self serving PR leaders, insincerity and so called morality among them.

    Let be sensible,rational and not emotional to judge whether those in BN or PR. Let support those who can work for the betterment of Perakians.

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  65. chinseng
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 22:22:40

    Dear bbc,

    I know,

    That hee is a she and not a he.

    That’s why can never become the top 50 rich MAN,

    She cannot become a MAN when she is not MAN!

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  66. chinseng
    Feb 11, 2009 @ 22:39:05

    Dear pohwatchdog,

    “be sensible,rational and not emotional to judge whether those in BN or PR. Let support those who can work for the betterment of Perakians.”

    What a Great wisdom!

    yang tak makan cilipadi, tak rasa pedas

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  67. bbc
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 01:02:12

    chin seng,

    good one but then the hee or she may be the richest ex-DAP traitor. I dont know if you could include LLT, but if you do so, Hee the She is no 2, ok.

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  68. klm
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 11:15:13

    “A man of high morals makes a good monk but a lousy politician..”

    Well said Observer. I agree with you, totally.

    You may be surprised that a similar line is used with Badawi by some groups in UMNO. These people described him as well qualified to be an Imam but not qualified to be PM.

    Wise men think alike. Fools seldom differ.

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  69. cilipadi
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 11:31:14

    Morality should be seen hand in hand with other qualities to be a good leader, but it is a must before considering after factors.

    “A man of high morals makes a good monk but a lousy politician..” is an insult to a monk, or imam, who are respectable holy persons. Even a monk or imam need to lead his fellow monks, disciples, imams and muslim.

    The discussions on the subject of morality revealed many people with corrupted minds, corrupted by material wealth and power.

    It is time for you guys to have a deep thought on this subject of morality. Start with the newly installed MB, perhaps.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  70. Observer
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 12:42:02

    A good monk with high morals can be a ‘lousy politician’ but a ‘good leader’. Who am I to insult religions when my learning is so limited and my understanding of worldly things so shallow?

    Even if i do not like or loathe another person, i will not question his right to follow his religion.

    Betrand Russel once said , “We have two kind of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practise and another which we practise but seldom preach.”

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  71. cilipadi
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 12:54:37

    Observer,

    If your thinking of a good politician comes from one who have no high moral, then be it. Malaysian perception of a successful politician must be someone not clean is something I cannot agree to. You guys should correct this perception instead of living with it. If you choose to believe in Betrand Russel, so be it.

    Religion is not the argument here. Who brought up the word ‘monk’ in the first place?

    monk, I don’t mean you. Hahaha. Maybe you should use other name instead of ‘monk’.

    ‘monk’ can be a good politician.

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  72. Observer
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 13:34:23

    Regarding opinion about ‘religion’ pls go back to your posting ~ 6.04pm Feb 11………he should`t call himself a Buddhist.

    The aim of arguement or discussion should not be victory but progress and advancement in knowledge.

    As much as we want others to concur with us, be ready to accept opinions from the other side.

    I agree with you that Monk can be a good and clean politician.

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  73. cilipadi
    Feb 12, 2009 @ 15:05:36

    I don’t expect all to concur with me, but I definitely cannot concur with the idea of to be a successful politician, he or she must go all out tactically to achieve what he or she wants without taking into consideration whether the so-call tactical move is morally right or not.

    Most of us here are to contribute our views intellectually and by no mean undermine each other. What I disappointment that people can stoop so low that can disregard the issue of morality in the expense of issue like Perak fiasco. Is this the way we want to impress upon our own children? Definitely not me.

    Anyway, what is an outsider like me telling you guys the political culture that you all so used to. No wonder Malaysia becomes a laughing stock to the international community. If you want it that way, so be it.

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  74. Atila
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 05:09:13

    Dr. Hsu

    By the coming GE 2011/2012, do you think Gerakan Penang will assist UMNO Penang for the General Election?

    TQ

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  75. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 06:57:10

    It is easy to advise and judge Dr.Hsu.
    His reasons to stay in Gerakan….surely not logical nor reasonable.
    But for all those judges…I like to use Jesus famous words…”Those who have not sin…cast the first stone”
    For an outsider..so concern about our country holds no water ..as he has not proven loyal to his country at all.
    Why is he here…run away convict…who knows!!
    Talk as much as he like….brag as much as he want…but bottom line..go teach your own kind in your country.
    As much as I agree with smart and good comments..from a non Malaysian..I will defend Dr.Hsu…..from busy body..with no principles in life..run away from his own country…and say will run away from here..if things does not suit him.
    What is he trying to teach Malaysians..to migrate??
    Does that not sound like an UMNO man?
    I have read enough.
    Those Malaysians forced to earn a living in foreign countries with families here.. have full rights to comment .as they are Malaysians..can talk anything they want..but to see them agree with foreign busy body…teaching blog owner…what we actually should agree…those Malaysians are being fooled by a foreigner.
    Dr.Hsu loves freedom of speeches..and I have warned him before.
    I was targeted….now it is his turn.

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  76. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 07:04:36

    We can disagree…but we are Malaysians and can unite as one…living peacefully together.
    This is our beloved home..our blessed rich country.
    Foreigners can comment..not teach and insult…..but it is Dr.Hsu’s blog. He decides.
    Allow Malaysians to insult another Malaysian…it is OK..we are one family.
    Allow non citizen teach grandfathers how to suck eggs and brag….what do young Malaysians learn from him?
    They will learn to migrate. Is that what Dr.Hsu want?

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  77. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 07:36:33

    Smart guy choose the subject morality…which is very true…Malaysia is governed by no morals or ethics.
    How on earth one smart foreigner expect Malaysians to have high morals…fighting the devils?
    Does freedom fighter value morals….rules of the game..to free his country?
    We are cultured and have morals and principles in life…kept in our souls. Go teach your own kind.
    Before….that foreign braggart ….keep teaching us morals….why not..he tell us his life story…his real name…why is he here…..before he starts talking cock and bull again.
    Hide under a faceless…nameless …this piece of shit foreigner…is making suckers out of Malaysians.and a possible mole from UMNO….encouraging Malaysians to migrate…but first…he must succeed to get rid of Monsterball.
    Hi MALAYSIANS!!!….Open your eyes…and brains.
    There is a limit to brainwashing tactics.
    Can you see it??

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  78. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 07:55:57

    And I am talking about.. non other than that faceless…nameless…man…..cilipadi.
    (deleted rest of comment attacking cilipadi>.. Pls do not attack or put down others… editor)

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  79. cilipadi
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 10:24:05

    This someone never change, like Umno. LKS don’t need me, simple logic also don’t know.

    This mole who can dance twist and turn best showing his (or her?) tail again, worst than HEE. Got moral? Only HEE knows.

    Last comment from me, not worth my rebuttal. You have no respect from fellow Malaysians, what more a non-Malaysian like me? Morality is not important to HEE, money is. This mole is best fitted in HEE’S ass. Good bye, monsterball.

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  80. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 13:06:18

    (deleted this comment attacking cilipadi.. pls dont attack or put down people, this is a discussion blog…editor)

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  81. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 13:24:15

    deleted the message attacking a commentator called cilipadi

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  82. Dr Hsu
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 13:40:17

    Pls , do not use y blog to put down someone. I am goign to dlete these few comments that were targeting a blog commentator who is making sensible comments.

    Even if we do not agree with him, pls do not attack people…

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  83. monsterball
    Feb 13, 2009 @ 14:02:21

    I ask Dr.Hsu to forgive me..if I have been troublesome.
    I will read and comment less…unless chilipadi tries to be too smart again.
    This time….I am protecting Dr.Hsu.
    That’s how I think sincerely…..plus making sure young readers do not learn nonsense from faceless…nameless foreigners…..talking migrations…morals…and teaching Doc…what to do.
    We are MALAYSIANS!!
    We can confront..debate…insult each other.
    Regardless if we are faceless or nameless….we can do that….but never allow any foreigners to insult Malaysia or it’s people.
    They can give comments like “BOW” commentator in Justin blog… but when he stepped out of line…I also confronted him.
    He kept quiet and thereafter…commented with diplomacy and respect to Malaysia.
    So…..that kind of visitors….most welcome.
    Once again….I ask Dr.Hsu to accept my sincere apology.
    But if I am understood correctly…I have done no wrong.

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