A matter of conversion 2

This is an extension of my yesterday’s post, A matter of conversion, in which I discussed the case of Indira Gandhi and the forced conversion of her children.

I welcome the cabinet decision as reported in Malaysian Insidertoday that children should be raised in the faith of the parents at the time of the parents’ marriage, even if one of the spouses has converted to Islam.

Attorney General has been tasked to look into amending existing laws to allow for this provision.

I think this is an excellent move and this should resolve a lot of uncertainties arsing from this type of conversion.


12 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. fi-sha
    Apr 23, 2009 @ 17:18:11

    Dear Dr Hsu
    Thank God for the conscience the people who came out with this.

    In Islam, heaven is underneath your mother’s foot.

    In Indra Gandhi’s case and any other family where the ex-husband converted to muslims, the under-aged childrens should stay with the mother.


  2. langchiapek
    Apr 23, 2009 @ 17:58:32

    good start from the C4binet.

    however, much like what this cuntry is famous for, hangat hangat tahi ayam …

    besides, the islamic community haven’t make noise yet

    plan can plan, execution time … you know i know la.


  3. klm
    Apr 23, 2009 @ 21:19:31

    I am confused. I thought decrees on Islamic religious rules are made by the Ulamas and the rulers. How come the cabinet is making the decree.

    1. If it is about civil law, then the court makes the call. else parliament

    2. If Islamic law, then the ulamas and rulers

    the cabinet dont get involved. how come now.

    If this another wayang?


  4. Chauncey Gardener
    Apr 23, 2009 @ 22:54:57


    It is saying that the Cabinet is a higher authority than both the Civil and Syariah Courts.


  5. klm
    Apr 23, 2009 @ 23:30:47

    Ahh!. No check and balance, lah.


  6. Disgusted
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 10:06:40


    I attended a forum last night at Chinese Assembly hall last night (launching of book, “Arrested reform-The Undoing of Abdullah Badawi”.

    Zaid Ibrahim was right when he commented that the PM is the most powerful man in the “world”. More powerful than the US President!!

    Know what, he is right. Bolehland PM controls everything whereas the US president is scrutinised by Congress, the Press, NGOs and etc etc.

    Here, Bolehland’s kitchen cabinet here are all qualified “ABCs,” who dares to oppose when the number ONe says something he wants to implement?

    Moreover, the suPreme Minister controls all pillars. So Chauncey Gardener got a point there.



  7. Disgusted
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 10:27:58


    After reading a news item in Malaysia Insider on the liberalisation on economic services sector, it set my mind reeling back to your point on morality.

    Why, after all these years, Najib, never known as a “reformer” in all his years on his political climb especially on the NEP, now decided to revoke on a “ad hoc” basis? A policy masterminded by his father and historically, Bodohwi has a hand in it too.

    I was wondering whether Malaysians would really get hoodwink again this time. The FUNDAMENTAL fact of all these so-called “reforms.”

    If a political party is founded and acts on “principles,” value system and on morality, so many “unfair”, unjust and discriminatory policies would be not here today. It would not have been necessary on moves to “dismantle.”

    I believe if it had been done ( a just and caring) government, our nation could have moved much forward, even better than some neigbourly countries. BUT the FACT is that we did NOT.

    Second question, reading these UMNOputra leaders’ justifications on every policy change (over the years) evokes a complete disgusted feeling.

    Example, when they wanted NEP and all the quota moves, they talked like racists. Now they talked like as though they are true Malaysians. Now, which is which?

    But deep in my guts, these changes have ONLY one motive. They crave for your votes, they need your votes. For their OWN survival.

    Honestly, despite all these “hypocrite” moves, I know these are “goodies” and ice-cream to soothe your disgusted feeling and they want you back (not YOU!! per se) but your ballot votes.

    Above everything, no more UMNOputras, I want this “deck” or “pack” of cards changed! Yes, when 2012 or 2013, we want the OLD pack of cards in the rubbish bin. Tigers won’t change stripes. Now, they are hiding inside the sheep’s clothing.



  8. cilipadi
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 10:46:58


    Don’t ever believe these tainted dirty pack of cards.

    You are right, the suPreM has control of everything, but not your votes.

    Change new pack of cards, Malaysian.


  9. klm
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 10:55:13

    Ah So! All these recent announcements are all riding on the shoulders of the No.1 They are not institutionalised i.e. not embedded in the work processes. Did some one used the word ad-hoc?

    Take away No. I. and everything go away with him.

    This a hypothesis. If the No. is doing much, somebody might take him out of the picture enitrely. You know what I mean. Then, the whole deck will fall. And everything go back to as before.

    Scary scenario.


  10. cilipadi
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 11:00:09

    ‘Morality’ is the pillar of a person’s character. Once this ‘pillar’ is shaky, other things will crumble in no time.

    It is because of the absence of ‘morality’ that caused this peck of cards stinked, tainted and dirty, monk.


  11. Disgusted
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 12:09:30

    Yes, the legacy of the Old Horse must be dismantled by the people and the current of changes must sweep away the stinking, tainted and dirty cards.

    I eat cilipadi everyday.



  12. klm
    Apr 24, 2009 @ 21:27:15

    See what I mean on the cabinet not have the power to decide.

    NST 2009/04/24
    Perak Mufti urges Cabinet to first get ulamak views on Islamic affairs


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