Why is the swine flu more deadly in Mexico??

A new swine flu virus has surfaced, first in Mexica, then the States,  Canada and New Zealand .

Flu viruses mutate  and new strains appear continously and every epidemic in one area has the potential of becoming world wide epidemic , because of  the tremendous number of people travel by planes and moving across countries and continents nowadays.

In any influenza epidemic, many will die but most will recover. The groups with the highest mortality were usualy the very old and the very young, and those with compromised immunity, like those on immunosuppreesive drugs, cance rpateints, reanl dialysis cases etc.

BUt in this case, something baffling is occuring.  In mexico, most that died were between 20 to 40, a group that normally do not succumb to mortality as easily as  the older and the younger groups..

I find it strange that cases in US involving younger and older patients suffered much milder disease than those in Mexico, which defies all the conventional medical wisdom really.

Are there 2 different strains of this virus? are there 2 epicenters? well, we need to have more info before making any conclusion.

I will post part of an AP  news article here:

ATLANTA – Why has the swine flu engulfing Mexico been deadly there, but not in the United States?

Nearly all those who died in Mexico were between 20 and 40 years old, and they died of severe pneumonia from a flu-like illness believed caused by a unique swine flu virus.

The 11 U.S. victims cover a wider age range, as young as 9 to over 50. All those people either recovered or are recovering; at least two were hospitalized.

“So far we have been quite fortunate,” said Dr. Anne Schuchat of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday, just hours before three new U.S. cases were confirmed.

Health experts worry about a flu that kills healthy young adults — a hallmark of the worst global flu epidemics. Deaths from most ordinary flu outbreaks occur among the very young and very old.

Why the two countries are experiencing the illness differently is puzzling public health experts, who say they frankly just don’t know.

It may be that the bug only seems more deadly in Mexico.

And while experts believe Mexico is the epicenter of the outbreak, they’re not certain if new cases are occurring or if the situation is getting worse. They also don’t know if another virus might be circulating in Mexico that could be compounding the problem.

A big question is, Just how deadly is the virus in Mexico?

The seasonal flu tends to kill just a fraction of 1 percent of those infected.

In Mexico, about 70 deaths out of roughly 1,000 cases represents a fatality rate of about 7 percent. The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-19, which killed an estimated 40 million worldwide, had a fatality rate of about 2.5 percent.

The Mexican rate sounds terrifying. But it’s possible that far more than 1,000 people have been infected with the virus and that many had few if any symptoms, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, a prominent pandemic expert at the University of Minnesota.


28 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Justin Choo
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 16:26:46

    Dr Hsu,

    Very scary. It is a fact that man cannot triumph over nature. Once he conquers a disease, another will emerge.

    By the way this is to enquire whether you have received my email sent a few days ago. You don’t have to reply if you don’t want to. Just to know whether you have received it.


  2. fi-sha
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 16:28:16

    Good day Dr Hsu
    How do we protect ourselves now? I’m in the age target group


  3. Disgusted
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 17:23:58

    I am completely not confident with our health and immigrant authorities. The disease will eventually reach this shore, the border is all round, they can fly in, sail in with parasite carriers.

    With daily boats from Indonesia and thousands of flights, the chances of the viruses migrating here is not surprising. Viruses evolve overtime and the impact could be far-reaching with the type of hygiene practise here. The only way to make Malaysians soothe their fright is to go on a “self-denial” again, propaganda and said, “So far, we have not heard about any swine flu here in Malaysia.”

    We have heard this a million times previously.

    Pray hard.



  4. A true Malaysian
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 17:42:17

    It is my way of looking at things hypothetically to decide at least for myself what is the nearest correct answer(s) that can satisfy my curiosity over why this and that happens or happening.

    We can look back at the history of mankind, especially in medical science where deadly deceases last time become not deadly and curable due to advancement in medical science. We see this type of development is good for mankind simply because it helps in improving the quality of human life and to a certain extent, reduce people’s sufferings. But, however clever people become, new deceases found and sufferings continue to happen, such as this “swine flu”.

    Anyone can give a good answer to this?

    Looking at this hypothetically, the answer that I derived at is still centre around the truth found in Buddha’s teachings where, if majority of human being observing “refrain ourselves from killing” as what Buddha taught in his 5 precepts, deceases that we expose to may not be so deadly like cancer, AIDs, bird flu and swine flu.

    The Law of Nature or Law of Karma will take its own course, but the effect of its “severity” lies upon you and me. Maybe it is time for us to look into our own eating habits by eating on more vegetarian staple food than eating big fish, big meat. Even if we choose to eat big fish, big meat, eat them “clean” instead of resort to “killing” these animals, swine inclusive.

    If my point of my argument hold water, then those in the profession of butcher, fishermen, hunter, hired killer maybe out of job. If that is the case, don’t you think the situation is better?

    Again, I maybe wrong since I am looking at this on hypothetical basis. Still, I think I am quite right on this. Just a point to ponder.

    For those God believers, don’t rely on HIM too much, HE is not as powerful as you believe. If HE is so powerful, there should not have deceases, there should not be suffering. No offence, just a point to ponder.


  5. Nick
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 18:04:42

    Dear fi-sha, I am not a doctor but let me share with you some common sense. Take lots of chilly, enjoy well-cooked food, stay in the sunshine as much as you can with sports activities (before 10am and after 4pm). During the SARS outbreak, did you not notice that SARRC countries (that’s India, SL, Bangladesh, Maldives, Pakistan had no know cases?) and eat fresh veges and fruits.


  6. Disgusted
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 18:10:41

    True Malaysian,

    You said it, hypothetically.

    Viruses evolve too but speeding up simply because Man is so advanced. Just thinking, nothing really safe to eat especially in Malaysia unless you grow your own veggies and rear your own feedstock (solely for self-consumption and not commercial purposes).

    Why I said this. Veggies, you get pesticides, meat you get contamination through feedstock. Water is already not safe for drinking here and that’s why the million ringgit bottled mineral water industry laughing all the way to the bank.

    The rivers and sea also not perfect. The air is bad. Hence, food from rivers and sea, also imperfect. Millions tonnes of waste disposal (with vitamins and chemicals discharged from the human bodies and industrial wastes) make a full circle coming back to haunt us through animal meat, veggies, fruits and of course, along with all these the uninvited visitor: our beloved bacteria and viruses. There are good and bad ones like politicians.

    We only watch out for humans, politicians, robbers, relatives…etc, all two legged ones. We seldom notice, in fact cannot see viruses until some body gets sick or “migrated” with a permanent visa to the next world. Why it happened. I think pigs, of all animals are closest to the human organs and system. I think so, Dr Hsu knows better.

    I think “viral politicians” are more dangerous.



  7. A true Malaysian
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 18:25:00


    I said it, hypothetically.

    But come to think of all you commented above, i.e pesticides, air and water pollutions, and so on were all due to human’s doings.

    So, if there is no self-restraint in human’s own actions, especially those politicians in power, who else to be blamed?

    It’s all boiled down to human own doings. I tend to believe that, even if hypothetically, I maybe wrong. Yet, I think I am correct. Hahaha, so all of us know who to vote in future elections, bye-bye and General.


  8. Kenny
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 19:06:35

    I think the mortality pattern mirrors that of SARS where those who are in the prime of their life and supposed to be the strongest group succumb while more vulnerable groups survive.

    The reason is that the virus turns the victim’s defenses against itself and so the stronger the victim, the more deathly the disease.


  9. A true Malaysian
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 19:16:39

    Before that, medical science uses monkeys, white mice and other animals for research purposes.

    I am not quite agree with scientists using these defenseless animals for this. This may be the real reason behind why new deceases keep revolving and emerging.

    I think it is good for human, in this case, scientist, to explore the teachings of the Buddha hand-in-hand with their interest in their research to help mankind. One does not need to be a “monk” to learn Buddha’s teachings.

    I believe this way will do a lot of good to mankind, at least to me.


  10. anon
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 20:22:53

    Dear all

    Ever thought this stuff as part of a covert population control program? Conspiracy stuff? Yes or no, it does not matter but the fact many people will die. Ever thought of this stuff as lab virus?

    You rant and conjecture while the “overlord” just do it. This “overlord” says this world is good enough for 500 million. that means roughly around 5 billion people need to killed.


  11. kittykat46
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 20:31:46

    I have no medical training, but have studied enough biology to follow a lot of the literature on pandemics.

    There’s just isn’t enough data, but a few things to consider.

    The irony of emerging (new) flu virus infections is that it sometimes kills more of the younger, healthier adults because of the extreme reaction of their immune system. That’s what happened with the WW1 Spanish Flu.

    Mexico is still an underdeveloped society, where many of the poor lack access to adequate medical care. The 1,000 infected reported may just be the tip of the iceberg, the most serious cases who have made it to the government hospitals.

    Yes, there may be more than one strain of the virus around. The WW1 Spanish Flu had 3 distinct variants. The least severe variant actually killed the most people, because it was apparently also the most infectious.

    There is also record of infectious virus mutations where 2nd, 3rd or multiple generation subsequent infections have different severity – sometimes less, sometimes even more severe.

    There just isn’t enough info currently, but enough is known to signal DANGER.


  12. Disgusted
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 20:34:37


    Eh, maybe you’re right, just out of the movie script. Imagine, some lab sponsored by corridors of power) recruited some scientists to experiment on some “warfare” project and someone screwed up, leaking the test-tubes or transported through clothing due to oversight.

    Maybe, conspiracy like a James Bum 007 movie.

    Sorry, serious stuff…..



  13. anon
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 20:51:38

    Flu Bug
    Jolly Roger – April 26, 2009

    If you sell crack, join a gang, or rob the mob you can expect to die a violent death, but if you listen to your mother, eat all the right foods, and study hard in college to become a microbiologist, you should expect to live to a ripe old age and die peacefully.

    That being the case, a few eyebrows were raised when five microbiologists either disappeared or died mysteriously violent deaths in 2001. A short time later the number rose to 19, and then 29.

    They were found stabbed to death in the trunks of cars, thrown off bridges, or they wrapped their cars around trees after their brake fluid disappeared. Once again, this is the stuff of Hollywood spy stories, and not the way you would expect a microbiologist to give up the ghost.

    By 2005, we lost 40 micro-biologists in less than 4 years, all under suspicious circumstances, and during this time someone discovered that they were all working for the government, or government contractors, on projects related to bio-terrorism, flu pandemics, or anthrax. Obviously they weren’t trying to find a cure for anything, or there would be no need to silence them.

    Then it was discovered that our government was involved in strange experiments that involve exhuming bodies of people that were killed by the 1918 Spanish flu, and genetically engineered flu viruses, all the while the media is preparing the public with stories of bird flu wiping out thousands of chickens (acid test?) and even a few people here and there.

    People who are becoming accustomed to the practices and motives of our criminal government tried to warn you of an impending flu pandemic, but your TV training taught you to dismiss them all as “crazy conspiracy theorists,” and you naturally associated all their warnings with stories of Bigfoot and UFO abductions, just as you were trained to do.

    The good folks of FEMA predicted a need for a few million plastic coffins, which are now spread out across the country, but despite this revelation, most of America still thinks their biggest concern is a toss up between the Super Bowl and American Idol.

    Well it seems as if the crazy conspiracy theorists were right again, because the world-wide flu pandemic they were warning you about has been unleashed, and it will dominate the headlines until millions, if not billions of people are dead. It won’t be stopped because no one with the means to stop it wants to stop it.

    Wash your hands often, pull your kids out of school, avoid crowds, if not people altogether, avoid alcohol or drugs that will weaken your resistance, and stay well-nourished.

    Two of the goals here are to cull the population, and to encourage general mayhem and misery that only a World Government can save you from. You’ll be so worn out and tired of death and depression that you’ll offer little resistance to the new order. The economic collapse and World War three are part of the same plan, and it’s all been tried before. It’s the same crew behind this latest attempt, and it’s not difficult to see who’s behind it all, once again.

    This flu pandemic that will soon cause people to drop like flies is no mutated bird flu. It’s a genetically engineered virus designed to kill as many people as possible. And after people do start dropping like flies, political dissidents will be accused of being flu carriers and no one will object to them being hauled away. Good luck. – Jolly Roger

    Here’s an interesting link:

    if you start at the bottom of the page and work your way up you’ll see a nice collection of news articles that document the entire process of creating and testing a flu bug that will wipe out millions of people.
    (or at least that part of the process that’s revealed to the public)

    Thanks to Lori Price of legitgov.org for compiling these articles

    Original source: http://jollyrogerrevolution.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-you-sell-crack-join-gang-or-rob-mob.html


  14. Barb Lamont
    Apr 27, 2009 @ 23:28:05

    In 1918:

    In large U.S cities, more than 10,000 deaths per week were attributed to the virus. It is estimated that as many as 50% of the population was infected, and ~1% died. To compare, in “normal” (interpandemic) years, it is estimated that between 10-20% of the population is infected, with a .008% mortality.

    The fact the current ‘swine flu’ has shown to be contagious is alarming. So far the virus has shown to have a 6% to 6.3% mortality rate. It may not seem like much, but please consider the following: The deadly influenza panic in 1918 had a mortality rate of under 1%.

    This virus went on to kill tens of thousands of healthy people a day in large cities and up to 100 million people world wide.

    Viruses, like this strain of swine flu, kill their host by over-stimulating active immune systems that are robust and healthy. That is why the victims in Mexico were between the ages of 20 and 45.

    Some have said that no one in the United States have died from the virus, so we need not worry. Experts say it is only a matter of time. The virus is not prevalent enough to reach statistical significance in the United States, with only a handful of confirmed cases. 93.7% of all Mexicans with the virus recovered.

    More cause for worry: The 1918 virus started off ‘mild’ before it mutated into a raging storm. It also does not mean we will see millions of deaths. It is too early to draw sweeping conclusions. Nevertheless, there is potential for a disastrous pandemic. If 50% of Americans catch this flu in the next two years, and the mortality rate stays at 6.3%, we would witness 20+ million deaths.

    This strain of virus is more potent and more deadly than the virus that hammered the world in 1918 and 1919. Viruses come in waves. There are striking similarities to this virus and the virus that killed up to 100 million people in 1918. The first wave is historically more mild than the later waves.

    In addition to this virus becoming more severe, it is mutating faster than previous virus that we have seen. In addition, this virus is nothing like we have ever seen before because it combines features from viruses natural in different parts of the globe. We are in uncharted territory.

    If it follows the same path as the 1918 flu, we will see very damaging results. However, we must remember we are a global society now and the virus can spread quicker than we have ever witnessed in history. This is very concerning especially since the drugs we have now seem resistant.

    While there have been no deaths in America, it is shadowed by the fact the common variable among the deaths seem to be age. While most American cases have involved the very young and very old (under 10 and over 50) the Mexican cases that ended fatally involved the robust and healthy (over 20 and under 45).

    This virus kills the host by over-stimulating the immune system. The term that is used when the immune system over reacts is called a Cytokine Storm. It is usually fatal. During this “Storm” over 150 inflammatory mediators are released. This would account for the high mortality rate in 1918-19.



  15. romerz
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 02:24:11

    Dr Hsu,

    Unrelated comment but just to let you know that I’ve returned to blogging and my first post (after a 2 week hiatus) is an attack on your party.

    Do tell me what you think.

    Until 308, Penang was still a colony!



  16. Nick
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 08:54:59

    I saw on CNBC this morning, Prof Yuen YK (HK Univ), an expert in SARS virus mentioned that this particular virus may not be so clever because it kills off the host too fast. A dangerous virus is one which attacks by stealth and breeds abundantly in a host. And another curious twist, none of the US patients have died???


  17. klm
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 11:37:18


    Very enlightening? The truths hurt more than any scathing remarks. You do made a point Penang was a colony rather than a State. The real power is behind the scene.

    On another news reported by a Chinese Newspaper. Seemed Samy Vellu and Koh Tsu Koon were going to visit one Indian community. The visit was canceled because the folks there were set to organise a shoe throwing ceremony in honour of these two old birds.

    I would suggest the people of Penang and especially Tanjong Bungah to have the shoe throwing ceremony anytime Koh Tusu Koon visit them. The paper shoes from the Chinese funeral service will be excellent for this. HIgh symbolic and not harm to anyone. 🙂 🙂 🙂


  18. Dr Hsu
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 12:32:25

    sorry , yesterday was a busy day and didnt have time to look at the omments.

    For precautions, I wrote a post in 2007 on how to take personal precautions for bird flu.

    The link is here:

    It may not be totally relevant since this swine flu is spread from man to man but it can serve as a guide.

    I think we should not panic. Normally influenza is milder in hot tropical climate. If ever the flu spreads to malaysia, what we can do is to avoid enclosed public places (airconditioned areas are the worst culprtis, unless they have a sterilising system ), avoid swiming in public pools,
    built up our resistance by having good sleep (8 hours…. the time between 11pm and 1 am is most crucial, that is the time our immnue system requires rest to recharge), do moderate exercises, avoid standing close to someone coughing and sneezing (at least a few feet away, best in open air), plenty of fluids, etc…

    In fact, most influenza cases recover, mortality is around !%, or this swine flu it was almost 7% but I suspect many milder cases are not reported, so the actually mortality is much lower…

    Overcrowding helps spread diseases, so in third world places, where living conditions may be crowded , it can spread very fast…

    It is good to be vigilant, but we should not be overtly worried at this stage, to the point that all stay at home …. recession will be made worse…

    In 2003, I have also written a post in the star on SARS. The link is here:


  19. Dr Hsu
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 12:49:29

    another possibility why the case in other coutries are milder. The ones in Mexicao maybe the primary cases, meaning they are spread directly from the swine to the people, or first or second generation human to human spread. Those in the States may be fifth hand or sixth hands or even more.

    As the viruses spread frompeople to people, the antigenicity tends tog et attenuated, and so the later cases may be milder. This is my suspicion.

    Of course, there are occasions where a mild virus by going through a few spread of human, becomes mutated and more virulent.. but i do ot think this is the case here.


  20. Dr Hsu
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 13:47:51

    I think your comment made a lot of sense.

    Ultimaltely, the absolute number died from an infection depends on the infectivity of the virus. If the virus spread very fast , and say half the population is infected, evena 1% mortality can be very high.

    If it is a slow spreading virus that is not so infectius, and only a few thousand get infected, then the absolute number dying would be less.

    I also agree with the immune response things. Our immune systems sometimes play havoc on our own bodies, and this is one of the most difficult situation to treat. like SLE.. .

    But we need more info on this cases. ..


  21. Justin Choo
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 15:40:22

    Dr Hsu,

    I just received theu email the info on swine flu provided by WHO.

    Hope the source is genuine.



  22. Disgusted
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 21:15:35


    Mexico, the original homeland of the hottest cilli. Heh, heh, why cilipadi cannot rid the virus.

    Over to you, Cilipadi.



  23. cilipadi
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 22:40:40


    Hahaha, if hottest cili from Mexico can’t rid the virus, how can you expect my tiny cilipadi can rid?

    I tend to agree with A true Malaysian, though his argument is on hypothetical basis. If majority of human can ‘refrain from killing’, which in this case, killing swines for food, thing like this may not happen or less severe than what is happening.

    Human are smart enough to find solution by inventing new drugs to cure or contain swine flu viruses, the long term solution for such kind of outbreak is still adherence to 5 precepts of Buddhism. One does not need to call oneself Buddhist to observe this 5 precepts, and for this, Buddha would happy to see this even one never regard oneself as Buddhist.

    As human beings, we always do things to satisfy our selfish end by killing swine for food. What if swines killing we human for food? Would human happy to see this? Perhaps this maybe the reason why Islam disallows Muslim to eat pork?


  24. cilipadi
    Apr 28, 2009 @ 22:58:39


    Just look at your country Perak fiasco. It is all due to Umno and its gangs doing things to satisfy their selfish end. Or, someone was ill advised by a woman behind a ‘successful’ man? Beware, a fierce lady ghost is still wondering around, she won’t give up so easily.

    Anybody guesses. I am also guessing.


  25. Disgusted
    Apr 29, 2009 @ 13:20:52


    “Lady ghost wandering around….”

    Well, normally the victim’s family (according to Chinese belief on vengeance by the deceased), before the burial would dressed the dead victim in dark red color and put a pair of scissors in the coffin. And “other things” so that the deceased can seek “justice” (revenge) from the killer(s).

    If the victim(s) is/are known to the family, they put the information and photo(s) as well, inside the coffin before burial.

    And the “swine fever”. Well, in Holland and developed countries (maybe Australia too), modern rearing technologies have cut ack drastically on pig=related diseases. I can imagine majority pig-rearing areas are not within this bracket and so, diseases emerged. On cows, chickens too, I don’t blame the pigs but the live-stock farmers.

    It is unrealistic to imagine “no killing” animals for food. Any animals can be infected, even long-distance migratory birds. There are millions of living organisms within our bodies too, from bacterium to viruses, as I have said before, life is dimensional, millions life forms. So the long term solution is long term safety and prevention measures. Dr has posted prevention and information in his blog on swine fever.



  26. anon
    Apr 29, 2009 @ 20:39:43

    “Scientist calls for death to humanity”
    by John Ballantyne – News Weekly 2006

    An award-winning Texas scientist was given a standing ovation after he advocated the extermination of 90 per cent of the Earth’s population by an airborne Ebola virus.

    The University of Texas evolutionary ecologist, Dr Eric R. Pianka, was addressing the 109th meeting of the Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont, Texas, in early March, after the academy had named him 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

    Present at Pianka’s speech was Forrest M. Mim III, a popular science writer and editor of the bi-weekly journal, The Citizen Scientist. He reported:

    “Something curious occurred a minute before Pianka began speaking. An official of the Academy approached a video camera operator at the front of the auditorium and engaged him in animated conversation. The camera operator did not look pleased as he pointed the lens of the big camera to the ceiling and slowly walked away.

    “This curious incident came to mind a few minutes later when Professor Pianka began his speech by explaining that the general public is not yet ready to hear what he was about to tell us. Because of many years of experience as a writer and editor, Pianka’s strange introduction and the TV camera incident raised a red flag in my mind … I grabbed a notepad …” (“Meeting Doctor Doom”, The Citizen Scientist, March 31, 2006).

    Pianka began his speech by condemning anthropocentrism, or the idea that the human race occupies a privileged position in nature. He exclaimed, “We’re no better than bacteria!”

    He argued that the sharp increase in the human population since the onset of industrialisation was destroying the planet. He warned that Earth would not survive unless its human population was reduced to a tenth of its present number.

    He then offered drastic solutions, accompanying his remarks with a slide depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    War and famine were insufficient for solving global overpopulation, he explained. Instead, disease was far more efficient and swift. At this point, Pianka displayed a slide showing rows of human skulls.

    AIDS took too long to kill people off, he explained. His preferred method of exterminating over five billion human beings was via airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and kills its victims in days rather than years.

    However, as Mim observed: “Professor Pianka did not mention that Ebola victims die a slow and torturous death as the virus initiates a cascade of biological calamities inside the victim that eventually liquefy the internal organs.

    “After praising the Ebola virus for its efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked at us and carefully said, ‘We’ve got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that.’ ”

    After he finished his address, the audience burst into applause.

    Mim reported: “It wasn’t merely a smattering of polite clapping that audiences diplomatically reserve for poor or boring speakers. It was a loud, vigorous and enthusiastic applause. …

    During a question-and-answer session, Pianka praised communist China’s draconian one-child policy, and suggested that IQs are falling because only “uncaring people” (i.e., people with below-average intelligence) have large families.

    Mim recalls how, once the questioning was over: Dr Eric R. Pianka (left), with an appreciative member of the audience.

    “I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth’s population by airborne Ebola. …”

    “Some even cheered. Dozens then mobbed the professor at the lectern. …”

    A few hours later, the Texas Academy of Science presented Pianka with a plaque in recognition of his being named 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.


    Executive director of the Society for Amateur Scientists, Dr Shawn Carlson, later warned in The Citizen Scientist (April 2, 2006):

    “I believe, with the terrible experience of the bloodiest century in human history behind us, that all men and women of conscious in the 21st century must be proactive in our opposition to genocidal or apocalyptic philosophies, before they have the chance to inspire some new champion with the will to take their conclusions to the next step.

    “When the professional scientists have lost their sense of moral outrage at such ideologies, then it falls to America’s great community of citizen scientists to be the conscious of science.”


  27. Disgusted
    Apr 30, 2009 @ 20:45:11


    Yeah, you make a lot of sense too. Maybe drug companies involved to make billions too. Sounds like movie stuff but it”s difficult to discount what you had described. The unthinkable often is reality.



  28. Chi Mohr
    May 28, 2010 @ 15:42:06

    You have done it again! Amazing writing!


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