Honour and shame

I was saddened by the death of the former South Korean President, Roh Moo-hyun, two days ago, when he jumped from a hill near his home after leaving a suicide note.

hillIt is from this hill that Mr Roh jumped

This was reported in NYTimes:

For both his supporters and detractors, his suicide served as a painful reminder of how difficult it remained to break the chain of graft in South Korean society……………………

Roh killed himself a day before his wife, Kwon Yang-sook, was expected to be summoned for questioning for a second time.

“He was driven to kill himself for taking some money from a long-time supporter, while those who robbed big businesses of truckloads of cash are still alive without shame,” said Choi Chul-kyu, a 48-year-old mourner holding a candle, referring to former conservative political leaders convicted of bribery.

“How am I going to explain this to my children? How am I going to explain the fact that every president in this country has wanted to squash his predecessor?”

But those who were close to Roh said the charges were especially painful because he had made his name as a “clean” politician, refusing to follow in the path of his predecessors; every former South Korean president since the 1980s has faced corruption accusations or gone to prison on such charges after his term was over.

In recent weeks, Roh acknowledged that a little-known businessman who supported him had given more than US$6 million (RM20.94 million) to his wife and son and his brother’s son-in-law while he was in office, but he denied the payments were bribes. He said that he did not know about the transactions until he left office and that the money for his wife went to pay a debt.

 SOuth Korea has a tradition of graft , as in many Confucianist societies, since in these societies, bribes and ‘gifts’ are sometimes difficult to differentiate and many politicians have taken  advantage of this to be on the take. Many more are made of lesser moral stuff and become corrupted by the power given to them.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely – this is indeed very true.

The late Roh was acknowledged as one of the cleanest of SOuth Korean presidents. But after watching politics from the fringe, I am rather sceptical of the word ‘clean’. Too many ‘clean ‘ leaders have been seen to be on the take. And it really does not matter whether a person takes one dollar or one billion; to be on the take for small amount is as serious as those taking bigger sums.

Nevertheless, in this case,  I do not  know the circumstances of the US 6 millions allegedly given to him, and whether this was ‘contribution’ allowed under the law or ‘gifts’ that can easily be interpreted as corruption.. Since i do not know the background of the money, I would not want to comment on the allegation of corruption against him.

But one thing is for sure. He is the one who has the highest honour among all the past leaders of SOuth Korea who were investigated for corruption.

In death, he has set an example of someone who was unable to face his name being blemished by corruption charges.  To take one’s own life for one’s action or inaction speaks much of his personality , and I respect him for that. He had at least one of the basic value of a human; that of being able to feel shameful…

The recognition of “shame’ is also one of Confucianist culture. Such recognition of shame can be due to actual mistake one made , or even to a perceived mistake, even when the perceived mistake was not a mistake.

Remember those  Japanese committing HaraKiri to protect one’s honour and name, sometimes over just a matter of principle?

Roh’s death will not be in vain, whether he was guilty or not. It will have an impact.

Any future South Korean leader wishing to take any gifts or money would probably think twice . IT would serve as a powerful deterrent in a country already changing towards better transparency and accountability .

I am quite confident, that South Korea will follow the footsteps of Hong Kong and Singapore to become a very clean society, given the many examples of past presidents being investigated and jailed.

Looking back at our country, we cannot say the same about some of our leaders. Many of those who are openly corrupt are so proud of their act that not only they do not resign, they aspire to go higher.

Some who have been found guilty inside their own party of corrupt practices can still hold on to high positions, in government as well as party hierarchy.

Not only there is no honour, there is no more feeling of shame.

To these people, even corruption can be glorious.  With this type of culture, how are we going to achieve a clean, transparent and accountable society?

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58 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Atila
    May 25, 2009 @ 15:15:03

    DrHsu

    corruption applies to both coalition in malaysia now.

    a new clean budding vocal person is seen a threat and would be chopped off asap.
    i m going tru this now with our yb pkr.

    Msians must initiate to remove the core of corruption called the culture of “duit kopi” from young generation now.

    Even being religious isnt waterproof from making devastating corruption.

    Will the govt intergrate a curriculum on “amanah” “anti-rasuah” from young ie primary school?

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  2. klm
    May 25, 2009 @ 15:27:36

    Dr. Hsu. There are also “Confucianists” in the PKFZ scandal. I am still waiting for some of them jump from Mt Kinabalu or hang from the tree. I guess after so many years in BN, there is no more sense of shame in these people.

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  3. A true Malaysian
    May 25, 2009 @ 15:51:52

    Many things can be transacted at ‘RM and Sen’ if the price is right to a lot of people, but not all. What makes this different is INTEGRITY, because integrity has no price.

    By the way, RM & Sen includes benefit-in-kinds.

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  4. Dr Hsu
    May 25, 2009 @ 15:58:40

    klm,
    Those are pseudo-confucianists, who have perfected the Art of “Thick Black School”.

    “Thick Black School” is a political Art advocated by Lee Chong Wu a few hundred years ago.

    In this, he advocated that politicians in order to succeed must have face as thick as a wall, and heart as black as the blackest thing in the world.

    Chinese believes that bad people have a heart which are black. Good people have red heart.

    So under this school, a politican must have thick face (shameless) as well as bad hearted.

    I will talk more on this as a separate post perhaps.

    the second biggest component party has many leaders who had perfected the art of the “Thick Black” politics, including the famous rotten fish head, and I suspect even the new pseudo-confucianist fish head has also mastered this… The latter is even better.. He is able to project an image of “i am holier than thou’ as a front to his underlying “pseudo-confucianist’ nature.

    Our friend Monk shold be able to tell us more on this ..

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  5. klm
    May 25, 2009 @ 16:29:24

    Dr. Hsu. I have not heard of this “Thick Black School”. I learned something new today. ( :))

    ( For me China means Han and pre-Han periods)

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  6. Dr Hsu
    May 25, 2009 @ 16:49:20

    klm,
    ‘Thick Black School’ is my literal translation. In Chinese , it is known as ” 厚黑學” or ‘Hou Hei Xue”.
    In the nineties, I think some one came out a book for conquering business world using this concept, and the book is titled : Thick face, Black Heart.. it was written by a person named Chin-ning Chu. Chu applies this art in the business world, using ” thick face as a shield, and black heart as a sword to attack’.

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  7. Nick
    May 25, 2009 @ 17:06:49

    My wife asks me a hypothetical situation: suppose the bank mistakenly credit in a RM 1.0 Million, would I take it and disappear (like the NZ chinese couple)? I quickly answered “No”. Why should I be a fugitive on the run? Why should I profit from someone’s mistakes, even if they can afford it? Is money everything? To the extent of “self worth or personal integrity? If I stole this money, I will be forever on the hide from the authorities. I will be lying to everyone and living under a false identity. What would my mum and bro and sis say? My moral code and upbringing will deter me from falling into this temptation. No, I wouldn’t take it. In fact, I would inform the bank straightaway of their mistake. That’s the end of the matter.

    Now to Roh. Why should he take his own life if he is innocent? In fact, he should be angry and be determined to fight to clear his name. I would in the same circumstance. But I suspect he did take the 6Mn and regretted later when he was found out. At least he chose to die to wipe away the shame from his conscience. For that I think he was a upright person except for this one blemish for which he will have to answer to his god on judgement day.

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  8. A true Malaysian
    May 25, 2009 @ 17:19:39

    Nick,

    Well said. Once one’s integrity is sold, he or she would not able to buy it back, whatever the price.

    Malaysia need to have a complete ‘white-wash’ to get rid of corruption everywhere. We still have some respected leaders around to lead Malaysia.

    We do have some so-called ‘Statesman’ around, but they are not able to make their stands on Perak fiasco to make an impact or pressure Umno and BN to follow the right path. Maybe an outsider is right to say Malaysia is lacking of ‘Statesman’.

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  9. Disgusted
    May 25, 2009 @ 17:32:57

    Dr,

    Yeah, I will look forward to this in your blog. Amulet Tun will protect them from all blemishes.

    That’s why those having rode the heights of power upon retirement looks forward to that “tanduk” for protection to protect, perhaps the questionable wealth.

    In the old days of the Chinese community, “face” (integrity of the family surnames, names of ancestors) are fiercely protected. Even suspicion (without evidence) can bring shame to a family with entrenched wealth, status and with imperial connections within the community. Not now, with ten of million ringgit, who give a shit about the name or integrity, amply illustrated today that the thick face and black heart infamous celebrities living among our midst. They don’t have to live as a social elite, be socially networked, after all with the ill-gotten gain, they can fly around the world 365 days a year. Few people around the globe recognise them anyway.

    Money and physical wealth speak louder than integrity and death seems so far away to fear the karma.

    monk

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  10. clearwater
    May 25, 2009 @ 17:55:44

    Corruption in Indonesia used to endemic but has since retreated with a reformist President. Good for them. In Malaysia, it still appears to be business as usual notwithstanding a new PM. Changes are best made from the top down. Examples have to be set so few dare stray from the straight & narrow path. While Roh’s self inflicted death is regrettable, it is also a highly publicized example and his sad story may discourage others in high public office from straying. I can sympathize with him being unable to accept loss of face and honor. On a personal level, I believe taking one’s own life solves nothing. Instead, one should do good to atone for past misdeeds to redeem oneself in society.

    However, Dr Hsu, I cannot agree with your view that being on the take for RM1 is as serious as RM1 billion. There are degrees of corruption; some acts are infinitely more harmful than others. I am much more inclined to forgive a lowly traffic cop for taking a RM100 bribe than a politician in high office taking a RM10 million cut for awarding a crony contract. People in strict fiduciary positions should be the most upright of all and the most transparent. Their sin is always the greatest, their betrayal the most damaging.

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  11. cilipadi
    May 25, 2009 @ 17:59:08

    monk,

    If integrity is a commodity, RPK does not exist, and without RPK, many ‘nice guys’ (looks only) will be the happiest person(s) on earth.

    Since a by-election is around the corner, I can smell some spins over here. Let’s see how long this someone can hide its tail for how long.

    Integrity works hand-in-hand with MORALITY. Many of them may not agree, but karmic forces still strike, sooner or later.

    Malaysia is still lucky to have RPK, to be honest. Without him, I cannot imagine….

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  12. Disgusted
    May 25, 2009 @ 18:10:13

    Cilipadi,

    “Correct, correct, correct.”

    I’m having cilipadi (real ones) for dinner.

    monk-key

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  13. cilipadi
    May 25, 2009 @ 18:43:40

    monk,

    As an outsider, I notice a funny feeling amongst certain group of people in your country, where in one hand, their minds want them to go this direction, but in their hearts, to a certain degree, want to go the other direction. Such kind of funny feeling is more of ‘insecure’ in themselves, or lacking of self-confident that their minds want them to go that direction. Such funny feeling that I am talking about is being used by those in power to the maximum to prevent exodus of supports to the rightful camp.

    PR needs to neutralize such funny feeling to go far, and I believe they will succeed. Good for Malaysia. After all, Law of Karma can never go wrong.

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  14. klm
    May 25, 2009 @ 20:58:50

    Dr. Hsu. I found an online copy of the book. Interesting reading.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/3968484/ChinNing-Chu-Thick-Face-Black-Heart

    In the appendix of the book there is this:

    Six ways to obtain an official position and
    Six ways to keep an official position.

    I am sure in the second largest BN party and in the mosquito party, people must be learning these by heart.

    hmm. wonder of KTK used these techniques.

    And by the way, Dr. Hsu, I think you will earn a lot of money by running seminar on this topic to the political parties, especially BN and the component parties. If you need help, I can volunteer.

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  15. Disgusted
    May 25, 2009 @ 21:05:14

    Cilipadi,

    In Chinese street philosophy, it’s called, “Talk 3, Do 4” and in plain language, a food seller displaying “a goat’s head” but actually selling/cooking “dog meat.”

    In another plain truth, they are pure hypocrites. Some called this, “forked tongues.”

    In ancient China, the peasants called imperial court officials having “2 mouths,” (also indicated in the Chinese writing character) meaning, one mouth to lie and the other to twist and turn.

    Or “minds” going one direction and the heart other direction? No problem, these are heart signals of a coming heart attack. In scientific terms, viruses move like this.

    monk

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  16. klm
    May 25, 2009 @ 22:10:40

    Dr. Hsu. I Like this part from Lee Zhong Chang’s (pinyin ??) six ways to keep a government position.

    I think we can see these in the BN ministers and senior civil servants. Maybe this can explain why the police, judiciary and civil servants are going berserk in Perak.

    Six ways to keep a government position
    ===========================

    1.Say and do nothing that can get you into trouble

    – say and do nothing
    – talk about everything but say nothing
    – never take a stand, in case it is wrong, or offend a powerful person
    – never do anything which you can held accountable
    – make our actions seem more impressive than they really are
    – avoid responsibility for your action (when they go wrong)
    – keep yourself apart from an action but be ready to claim credit when it go well and
    disown responsibility if it goes wrong

    2. Fawn on your boss, his wife and mistress
    – bow and scrape before your boss
    – ingrate yourself with the wife and mistress (especially important as she has great influence over the boss)

    3. Show arrogant superiority
    – develop a haughty and proud attitude
    – carry yourself with self importance
    – discourage anyone from offending you
    – show off your education in your writing and speech

    4. Be ruthless
    – be ruthless in going after your objective
    – but must be maintain a virtuous image so that people will not believe you are capable of ruthless action

    5.Ignore criticism

    – dont hear criticisms
    – dont see disapproval looks of others

    6. Harvest your efforts to reach your position
    – get others to pay for your favour
    – sell your influence

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  17. A true Malaysian
    May 25, 2009 @ 22:32:39

    Dr. Hsu,

    I never read such a hard hitting article of Tunku Aziz. The latest one titled “PDRM : A tale of the tail wagging the dog” is worth reading.

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/opinion/tunku-aziz/27570-pdrm-a-tale-of-the-tail-wagging-the-dog

    Some main points,

    I want a police service that is among the best that I can be proud of, and not “the best police force in the world that money can buy.”

    As a keen observer of the police in action, I can say without fear of contradiction that the standards of policing took a dramatic fall from grace when the greatest-ever Malaysian IGP, Tun Hanif Omar, stepped down.

    Hanif was not only a thoroughly competent officer but an ethical one, and, therefore, was able to withstand political pressure, even from Mahathir Mohamad, the prime minister of the day whose meddling ways were directly responsible for the dismemberment of many of the country’s most important institutions.

    Hanif could stand up to the bully because of his strong personal values: he offered to resign on at least two occasions. His letters of resignation were turned down. As with all bullies, you cannot back down or they will climb on your head.

    Sadly, subsequent IGPs, with the exception of Tan Sri Mohd Bakri Omar, have, by common consent, been a great disappointment and a disgrace to the uniform.

    ______________

    These words are not from any Tom, Dick, Harry. They are from a respected individual, Tunku Aziz.

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  18. klm
    May 26, 2009 @ 09:29:35

    A true Malaysian, there is one problem – the other IGP named and with exception. is known in the power circle for his relation with the underworld and this had been kept very quite.

    I am not sure if Tunku Aziz in aware of this. Probably not.

    Remove this reference and I think the article is absolutely correct.

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  19. A true Malaysian
    May 26, 2009 @ 11:12:31

    klm,

    I know what you mean. One way or another, I guess the chief(s) must have some sort of ‘cordial relationship’ with the underworld since Hai San or Ghee Hin (not sure of the spelling) days so to strike a balance between these forces. But, the way of handling these ‘cordial relationships’ are different from one head to the other head.

    That, I think is what Tunku Aziz meant by Tun HO is still the greatest IGP. Even mafia heads get rated by their machai, why not….?

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  20. Meng
    May 26, 2009 @ 11:20:57

    All the police force in the world have link to the underworld. Without this link, it is impossible to obtain information and other info required. Theres always the case of insufficient police force to cover every inch on the territory. Criminal are always one step ahead of the police in all criminal acts and police most of the time react after an incidence. Therefore for police to thwart any criminal act have to largely depends on the underworld and planted pigeons, rats or sparrow whatever name you like to call them.

    Even with these links there are unsolved crime reason being they are highly mobile and crime committed in places one would not think of. Another, criminal in urban areas are easily caught as compared to those in the semi urban and rural areas. Thats why we read criminals who have a spate of crimes from another state are caught in another state.

    These are highly mobile and interstate criminals and take lots of man hours to track them down.

    The link or connection to one in the underworld have to be protected as they are a valuable source of information.

    Say the OCPD or CPO has a link, are they on the take ??? The police spend more money on this link to groom and pay their expenses. Thats why the police has unlimited funding for intelligence gathering.

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  21. jamesloh18
    May 26, 2009 @ 11:22:08

    dr hsu thank for reminding us …!

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  22. jamesloh18
    May 26, 2009 @ 11:32:47

    All the police force in the world have link to the underworld. Without this link, it is impossible to obtain information and other info required…more then that .they are the king makers of triads.in k lumpur, the 4 heavenly kings..they have x senior police officiers under their payroll . some hold chairmanship directors…!these keep the connection in tact!

    care to comment ?

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  23. klm
    May 26, 2009 @ 11:58:40

    Meng. The one mentioned was active in doing the underworld bidding, more than the others (even when he was retired). In once case, not so long ago, he actually went to a police hq and asked a junior officer to release a kingpin that was detained. He actually showed his face. Is’nt this too blatant.

    Having links is ok. But actually working for them is beyond belief.

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  24. Dr Hsu
    May 26, 2009 @ 12:01:42

    It is one thing to have a link with the gangsters to access certain info when needed, it is another to be on the payroll of the gangsters.

    As the former one, you can cultivate certain relationship with the mob without being part of them, but the latter case the officer would be part of the mob.

    Police also uses moles to be planted in the underworld sometimes. These moles, however, are under police payrolls , and they are an extension of the police force still. On the other hands, the police officers who are on the payrolls can be considered the moles the mob planted in police force.

    However, the line is very thin between the first group and the second, and it will all depend on the conscience or the righteousness of the person involved, whether he can remain part of the force or be turned into part of the darkness…

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  25. Dr Hsu
    May 26, 2009 @ 12:04:29

    klm,
    the original book “Thick Black theory” was published in 1917,not few hundred years ago, according to the CHinese websites that i went to.

    I have made a mistake on that, apologies to all readers.

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  26. A true Malaysian
    May 26, 2009 @ 12:19:07

    Police – friend of the public, or

    Police – friend of the underworld, or

    Police – friend of Umno / BN or

    Police – friend to all.

    Your choice, you choose.

    What is happening in Perak fasting?

    http://twitter.com/limkitsiang

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  27. Meng
    May 26, 2009 @ 12:55:15

    they have x senior police officiers under their payroll .

    An X police officer, its his prerogative to work where it suits him. Pay is good why not.

    Keep it intact, why not after all he is not involved in crimes but able to monitor.

    …went to a police hq and asked a junior officer to release a kingpin…

    This kingpin controls the line below. Without him the line and networking collapse and source of info not coming. It is better to maintain one than to see the whole line collapsed and in the main to stop infighting down the line and its offshoot. This line once destroyed is hard to make good.

    ” will all depend on the conscience or the righteousness of the person involved, whether he can remain part of the force and be turned into part of the darkness…”

    In Malaysia, I do not think this has happened. However it takes a thief to catch a thief. The planted must work like one to obtain the trust.

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  28. klm
    May 26, 2009 @ 13:06:23

    A true Malaysian.

    This is a twisted thought. Since the police have arrested so many PT ADUNS in Perak. Zambry can call an emergency session of the State Assembly. Not enough PR ADUNS can turn up. They have been inconveniently detained. Then he can pass any resolutions he want.

    This is the application of the “Thick Black” theory.

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  29. Meng
    May 26, 2009 @ 13:13:09

    “What is happening in Perak fasting?”

    Opinion differs. To me this is a silly thing to do to obtain support from the populace. There are many ways to fight for a cause. Killing oneself would not help.

    Pakatan has a strong base in Perak and they should further develop their support particular in the rural areas.

    Would the BN govt cares, yes hopefully that they fast themselves to death. Zamry and Najib will be laughing all the way.

    If fasting don’t work, whats next..burn yourself like the monks in myammar. BN is already behaving like the Junta.

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  30. A true Malaysian
    May 26, 2009 @ 13:24:57

    Look like Perak fiasco will never end without a fresh election.

    Who is at the losing end? PR, Umno-BN, police?

    Kingpins must be laughing.

    Dr. Hsu, you wrote,

    Not only there is no honour, there is no more feeling of shame.

    To these people, even corruption can be glorious. With this type of culture, how are we going to achieve a clean, transparent and accountable society?”

    Well said. I would say, no culture at all. Culture is a word used for something nice, civilised.

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  31. A true Malaysian
    May 26, 2009 @ 13:41:33

    1st – you are not allowed to wear YELLOW
    2nd – you are not allowed to wear ORANGE
    3rd – you are not allowed to wear BLACK
    4th – you are not allowed to mention AMN, RB
    5th – you are not allowed to light CANDLE
    6th – you are not allowed to celebrate BIRTHDAY
    7th – you are not allowed to FAST

    You are not allowed to do this, do that, if I am not allowed you to.

    But, you can never not allowed me to vote.

    I know which one to vote, so are you?

    Let’s see until when you are allowed to do 1st to 7th.

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  32. A true Malaysian
    May 26, 2009 @ 14:08:20

    A very kind gesture from a fellow Malaysian, Sim Kwang Yang,

    “At the end of the day, we are still not sure where RPK is. He could be in some degree of danger and we can worry for his personal safety. Do I need to say more?

    I do not know where RPK is. I don’t want to know. If he shows up at my door, I will welcome him with open arms, and share whatever I have with him and his wife. I am sure his many friends would do the same.”

    (SKY can be reached at kenyalang578@hotmail.com )

    http://hornbillunleashed.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/1407/#more-1407

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  33. Meng
    May 26, 2009 @ 14:13:29

    A way of life in malaysia.

    Ministers are corrupted.. well known.

    Below the line civil srevants who signed papers approving contracts and contractors makes million while they receive only a low four digit pay. To them where is the logic..so ends up demanding for a cut.

    The clerks that takes your files to the boss for signing also need a cut otherwise your file is right at the bottom.

    On approval the office boy delivers the document also need some payment. He will park his kancil infront of your office and will say my car needs repair. OK-lah you get your document. if it is a voucher after completing some govt project…my house need repairs and painting.

    I am sure some of you out there have encountered this !!!

    There is a popular saying among the chinese “”If the civil servants are not corrupted it is very hard to do business in malaysia”

    true malaysian.. this is the culture.

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  34. Dr Hsu
    May 26, 2009 @ 14:21:43

    corruption has become a culture. Bt it needs not be like that.

    Hong Kong in the seventies was not any better. The CHief of police was corrupted, and you know in the seventies when HK was still a Crown colony, a GweiLo Chief of Police had really big power.

    But the then Governor, newly appointed, had the political will to cange. He formed the ICAC and the rest is history. Who says culture cannot be changed?

    But for a culture to be changed, there must be political will. Pak Lah won the 2004 with big mandate. But he lacked political will and thus even though he was expected to institute reforms, reforms never came.

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  35. Meng
    May 26, 2009 @ 14:25:22

    “”But, you can never not allowed me to vote””

    who said so. Road block can be set up and divert traffic and stop ppl from entering a certain areas. You have to detour and detour and walks miles and miles until election time is over.

    Roads are closed and areas prohibited for your safety….

    At the election center, oh your name is missing or you’re a postal voter or your name transferred to another constituency.

    ha ha many ways to stop you from voting

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  36. A true Malaysian
    May 26, 2009 @ 14:27:43

    Meng,

    If that is the culture, let’s stop it, change it,…..

    Discard our own habits (if one has it lah), and vote….whatever elections you called them.

    You know what to fill in the blank? Meng?

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  37. jamesloh18
    May 26, 2009 @ 18:59:04

    few yrs ago, the Only ONE tai kor was kinapped ..even with bodyguards around him,.no rocket science ..it was an inside job..within 1 week, he “retired” and most of his biz , clubbing resturant chains…and other no less then 100 “make up ” companies were just hand over to another DATO. within a span of 3 yrs, this dato emerged undisputed no ONE.
    what was the story behind?
    ground rumours was that he was “sponsored” by the power of the day..

    the power games is simple eqaution as it is in taiwan n other countries
    these triad are no more just dirty they are so corporated ..with that they sponsored politicians to power.in turn with political power they rule the law.

    and the law in turn rule the triad

    it is a merry go round ..romance of 3 kingdom! care to comment ?

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  38. Meng
    May 26, 2009 @ 22:52:40

    “”ground rumours was that he was “sponsored” by the power of the day..””

    It has to be that way. he was removed because he did not play ball with the ruling elite. A Kingpin cannot isolate himself. He has to satisfy both, downline and the elite.

    If a kingpin has lost the trust and closeness of the elit, the runners down the line grows restless. Another the Kingpin must maintain his trustworthiness and is looked by the downline as someone caring. If this trust is lost, generally it invites a changeover.

    Just like a political party in this country. When 2 leaders fight, umno will back one that will pay dividend…the winner becomes a running dog but is still the boss of the party. Reminds me of mca

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  39. Atila
    May 26, 2009 @ 23:57:00

    DrHsu

    Malaysia Boleh, Semua Boleh!!

    When come to corruption, apa2 pun boleh…

    Shame.

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  40. Meng
    May 27, 2009 @ 01:22:15

    Atila

    “”a new clean budding vocal person is seen a threat and would be chopped off asap.
    i m going tru this now with our yb pkr””

    Hey Atila, reason out with him and let him see your point. If he is a good YB he will listen but when he tries to destroy you, you do the same and expose him.

    YB which constituency??

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  41. batu giant
    May 27, 2009 @ 02:13:22

    corruption is the cancer of a nation. There are many countries that doomed due to corrupt practice by the top leaders. Indonesia is coming to be a first in Asean that corruption on the declining scale. Hope and pray that the current PM have the guts of President SBY to kill of corruption.

    I am lobbying death penalty of corrupt officers or administrators that hold high office and be able to influence people’s lives and affecting policies or authorities to give permits.

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  42. Atila
    May 27, 2009 @ 03:09:52

    Meng,

    This is a result having a parachute candidate, when he wins he just dont care, he dont care development mushrooming 3KM away from our kampung, we feel threat/worry with a Chinese man coming into our kampung wanting JKKK to sign letter by producing his own draft, with his sly-cunning stories after i checked with perancang bandar, we want to know what is going on. Until we cornered to a briefing, we discovered he should have briefed us 12months ago!

    In that briefing when i ask him why this Chinese man trying to perbodohkan orang kampung, he snapped at me infront of D.O, and govt officials and orang kampung..”we are all educated here”…is he telling that I am not educated or only he is educated?

    Until today, its days before June 2009, we are not finalize being ajk jkkk(n). I just dont know when, if confirm, i will inform you Meng.

    I went tru an ordeal which i wrote in my post at Dr. Hsu’s article before this, Dr. Hsu explained of Partisan Politics in Malaysia.

    If the list cannot be submitted to SUK becoz I am in it, I would rather not be in it anymore becoz i m deprieving rakyat’s priviledge to a “legal” ajk jkkk(n) as they had voted PR being majority GE2008, although i want to contribute and meant well for the kampung.

    This yb is the one adding salt to the wound in Awani, never support his political frend who left exco recently. The way he spoke in Awani, and today where r the charges?? We rakyat remembers and its shame on him.

    Me & a few PKR frends are seeing bleak future in our kampung becoz he is not listening to what we rakyat want, instead he wants his way and dont even facilitate to us. Its a repeating UMNO style.

    His state level plans we dont know the status or how to participate or whre to get info, is it becoz we are kampung people that we are seen too stupid to understand.

    We had no choice, lately each time got to inform DSAI what we want to achieve otherwise its will never come. Our leniency resulted 14months that we never got a dialog with him till today, think about that!

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  43. cilipadi
    May 27, 2009 @ 10:36:05

    monk,

    What are jkkk. ajk, jkkk(n), Awanis, SUK?

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  44. Meng
    May 27, 2009 @ 11:49:09

    Atila

    My sympathy with you.

    Looks like you don’t have to sign any papers that
    are against the interest of JKKD and the Kampong’s folks. If it is not approved by the JKKD, the DO will not approve that paper.

    On the other hand what is the permissible or acceptable limit of development that is allowed within your Kampong. This limit has to be maintained as in other states.

    It looks like this adun of yours do not know the working of JKKD which is under the concept of security and development or KESBAN in short. Perhaps you should see the Chief Minister regarding this.

    In the first place the list of JKKD should have been submitted for approval in the very early stage. This JKKD act as eyes and years for the govt both for security and development and has every right to demand or deny development for the kampong as they see fit. JKKD members are elected by the citizen and after security vetting approval, the list has to be approved whether your YB likes it or not.

    Any development not benefitting them or are seen as destroying the Kampong should not be carried out. This, you and your Kampong folks have to put their feet down and say no.

    The DO is in the picture and should request for a dialogue.

    My advise to you is to “Kekal dalam AJK JKKD and write a report to the CM whether the AJK is approved or not.

    Sayang hoi Jika pembangunan tersebut akan usik dan ganggu hidupan kampong, jangan tanda tanggan surat tersebut. Lawan tetap lawan.
    Majukan teguran kepada Ketua Menteri.

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  45. Meng
    May 27, 2009 @ 11:58:33

    “JKKD act as eyes and years”

    To read as “JKKD act as eyes and ears”.

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  46. Atila
    May 27, 2009 @ 18:20:43

    Thanks Meng.

    An hour ago, my frend PKR life member called up to inform we are still not legal AJK JKKK. She said not to worry, yb knows the consequences if he removes me/us out.

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  47. cilipadi
    May 27, 2009 @ 19:12:18

    Someone holding someone at ransom? Not better than……

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  48. Disgusted
    May 27, 2009 @ 20:24:26

    Cilipadi,

    All those abbreviations are BN’s employment vacancies for “legs, ears, hands and mouths” doing the donkey work while the big men at the corridor of powers can sleep peacefully at night.

    monk

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  49. cilipadi
    May 27, 2009 @ 21:19:47

    monk,

    Hold ransom is their tactics all the while, like,

    no vote no development
    no support no allocation
    no shoe polishing no position
    not my party, no contract
    keep quiet, I give you peanut
    not elected but good skill in shoe polishing, got post

    and so on, and so forth. 50+ years, many examples

    Just wonder why I still like Malaysia. Hee Hee

    shoe polisher makan cili
    shoe polisher rasa pedas

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  50. Atila
    May 27, 2009 @ 22:05:25

    People,

    the abbreviations are still used during PR ruling now. Nothing wrong with is for as long it benefits people but under PR the appoinment of AJK JKKK has delayed, unlike during BN.

    SUK = setiauasaha kerajaan negeri, i m refering to Penang.

    JKKK = jawatan kuasa khidmat kampung

    After Ge2008, we have two JKKK
    1. JKKK(P) = acknowledges by the Federal Govt and not Govt under PR,

    2. JKKK(N)=acknowledges by Govt under PR.

    The Yb must submit the list of names of AJK JKKK to SUK, then it goes to Pejabat Derah for “watikah” to be distributed to the persons in AJK. This is the one i m finding x-file becoz the Pengerusi JKKK of my kampung cant give update past 3months until now. gggrrrrr.!!!

    Me & PKR want to steer JKKK our kampung not to be like the one during BN past 50years with jobs like potong pokok, pasang khemah, cuci pinggan mangkuk, etc.

    This got to change under PR.

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  51. cilipadi
    May 27, 2009 @ 22:20:16

    Atila,

    Maybe you don’t know I am not a Malaysian. My reading of Malay is up to ‘siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas’ only.

    Nevermind, thanks for you effort. I can ask my Malay friends for those terms.

    PR or BN, shoe polishers should be out. Appointment to any post in government should be based on merit.

    Any shoe polisher around? Makan cili, rasa pedas?

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  52. Meng
    May 27, 2009 @ 22:30:55

    Atila

    If I am not wrong

    JKKK is Jawatan kuasa keselamatan dan kemajuan Kampong

    On step above is JKKD ie Jawatan Kuasa keselamatan dan kemajuan Daerah.

    Next higher up is the JKKN ie Jawatan kuasa keselamatan dan kemajuan Negeri

    Your complain should also go to JKKD

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  53. cilipadi
    May 27, 2009 @ 23:33:55

    Atila,

    Surprise!!!! A Malay friend told me he couldn’t be bothered to tell me what exactly are JKKK(P), JKKK(N). He explained this is a network to give money to their cronies so to make them happy.

    Hee Hee, maybe he is right.

    You think so?

    He told me, cronies are all shoe polishers…..

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  54. Atila
    May 27, 2009 @ 23:58:23

    sorry Meng,

    tersilap type…was engage on the phone simultaneously..yup thats it rite for JKKK.

    the only sah is the pengerusi jkkk.

    Cilipadi,

    i didnt know you are not Msian.
    Its up to ones experience with JKKK.

    The previous one in my kampung and now is JKKK(P) used to get “incentives” from developers around the area. Yucks!!

    The new JKKK(N) (yet to be legal) has no room for “shoe polishing” since me and PKR life member in it. So you see why now the yb is delaying our appointment, why there is a chinese man wanting us to sign the letters and selling D.O.’s office to us,…

    We want to do work, “not shoe polishers”

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  55. cilipadi
    May 28, 2009 @ 00:08:27

    Atila,

    Good one, at least you are not a shoe polisher.

    I commented before that Malaysian people have learned how messy to have BN at Federal, and PR at State. I can see such messiness in JKKK(P) and JKKK(N) you described. Mind you, P and N really confusing. I need to constantly scrolling up and down. Who cares, still a channel for flushing money.

    shoe polisher makan cili
    shoe polisher rasa pedas

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  56. Atila
    May 28, 2009 @ 00:17:20

    cilipadi

    we must work w sincere and good conscious and always remember our children our families otherwise potential to become Roh.

    i ve worked in mega govt project enough to see
    flushing money/materials amongst colleagues, they now drive big cars n big house, but no peace at mind n soul.

    never ever start it.

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  57. cilipadi
    May 28, 2009 @ 00:34:13

    Atila,

    I also said before, MORALITY is the most important. Even in politics, but not many people agree. Look at Perak debacle, no MORALITY in robbing people’s rights in choosing their government. That fella still can show of his teeth when smile.

    MALAYSIA BOLEH

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  58. Atila
    May 28, 2009 @ 00:38:39

    Cilipadi,

    Mr. Roh was smiling too months before he jumped down the cliff. Nothing extraordinary of seeing that red-lipped man smilling.

    Let him smile.
    He cannot escape Allah.

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