Battlezone it needs not be

Malaysianinsider’s headline today: Battlezone KL.

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But it needs not be like that.

Today’s Anti-ISA demonstration should have been allowed to take place, since it is supposed to be a peaceful march from Dataran Merdeka to the Istana Negara to hand over a memorandum.

I have said umpteen times that the rule that any gatherings of more than 5 people is considered to be illegal is most absurd in this modern age. People now know their rights, and under the Constitution, freedom of expression is supposed to be allowed and that expression includes freedom to march and pickets, as long as it is done in an orderly manner.

The police can always be on the standby to ensure that nothing untoward happens. They can actually help to minimise disruption to traffic by directing the crowd to one side of the road in their march to the Istana. If the crowd turns unruly, the police, with all the  mights and modern gadgets and weaponry, can always come in and arrest those who are unruly. But to arrest people who are peaceful demonstrators are against human rights as well as  the spirits of freedom of expression.

By firing tear gas and making the crowd running helter skelter, the police are in fact increasing the security risks, and the business of the surrounding shops will be affected. It needs not be so.

It is time that certain leeways should be given to the rakyat, including expressing their feelings against a draconian law such as the ISA, which should have been repealed long ago.

82 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Justin Choo
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 16:44:03

    Dr Hsu,

    Look on the bright side.

    This will hasten the demise of the sick and corrupted regime.

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  2. klm
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 16:53:40

    We have systemic failure in the govt. Nothing is working well anymore. In this situation, the only solution to anything is force.

    This is a sign of fear in the regime.

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  3. Nick
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 17:01:35

    I planned to go to the PC Fair at KLCC. But the roadblocks set up everywhere has resulted in chaos. I don’t blame the Anti-ISA march but I do blame the idiots manning the road-blocks. These police gangsters are block-heads and are low iQ animals. Leave the marchers alone, they have every right to demonstrate since this Government is so stupid as to keep their repressive laws.

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  4. A true Malaysian
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 19:14:51

    Despite thousand police deployed,
    manning road blocks since two days before,
    complete gear sets, helmets, batons, shields, trucks, helicopters, water canons, tear gas,
    still, 20,000 rally in city centre.

    So? What does this reflects?

    If rally is allowed without interference, 200,000 rally is sap sap soi, no problem. Perhaps this is the reason for interference.

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  5. disgusted
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 21:27:24

    Today’s police actions sanctioned by the Nazist regime ala Krishmuddin and Najism was totally unnecessary.

    Justine is right, the demise of the Bohong Nasional will be the national objective of thinking Malaysians. Now we should know why in some countries terrorism was born to fight corrupted regimes.

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  6. chanjoe
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 22:00:50

    I was there at Sogo and was drenched in chemical water. People from all races were there and there was no polarisation at all. Will wash my T-Shirt and keep as remembrance of this historic day.

    There was no such necessity for the Police to act like gangster. We had all followed arahan n it was to be a very peaceful march to the Istana. I can bet you that if we were given the rights to march, there will be no disturbances at all. We were not accorded our basic human rights.

    Anyway, its the Police who had started and done all the damages. People were kicked and hammered and were not treated like humans…..more like animals. I wondered how the police will feel if they had met with unruly mobs? Even under vsuch trying circumstances, we maintained our cool and I am so proud to be there and was in fact ready to be arrested but was advised to stay away from any confrontations with the police….

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  7. disgusted
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 22:35:34

    The police here are fortunate. In Thailand or elsewhere there would have been bloody injured policeman or military and yet they take action when they were not provoked.

    The blame goes to the top disgusting politicians in the corridors of power. Enough is enough. The ballot is stronger than the bullet. Malaysians should vow to vote Opposition as long as they live.

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  8. Meng
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 22:52:20

    It is a onesided affair and cannot be called a battlezone , it should be called a Hantamzone KL.

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  9. jamesloh18
    Aug 01, 2009 @ 23:06:12

    we were there with our cameras ..the crowd were well behaved.

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  10. Atila
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 02:16:05

    Dr. Hsu

    The govt is draconian like those days where “parents dictated their kids & kids cant even utter a word, if utter a word, the father would beat up with a cane or belt or anything
    he could get hold of”.

    Govt never learn anything.

    They dont believe in providing a legal outlet to express queitly & demos for the rakyat.
    They only want to proof their ego able to control to dictate to imprison rakyat…etc. Thats all.

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  11. Thumb Logic
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 09:45:52

    A peaceful demonstration as the term implies is a peaceful demonstration. The authorities do not have the right to make a violent demonstration.

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  12. anon
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 10:46:24

    a sidestep of a worthwhile continuing education

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  13. julian
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 11:05:16

    wonder how many pro isa (martial arts group konnon nya) were arrested?
    read somewhere that they got to send their memo to the palace.

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  14. Kenny
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 11:31:16

    The pro-ISA demo never materialized. A lone pro-ISA guy sneaked to the place gate with a memo with his pro-ISA T-shirt hidden under his 1Malaysia T-shirt.

    I guess this regime has no intention to repeal the ISA. They may just water it down slightly to fool Malaysians. For eg, Hishamuddin is talking about shortening the initial period of detention from 60 days to 30 days. We don’t need this sort of hogwash.

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  15. Meng
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 11:45:22

    The organiser failed to carry out a plan to outwit and corner or sandwich the police between the demonstrators. All they wanted was to move to the palace.

    If the police FRU were caught between two big groups, no actions would have been taken as they would then be in a disadvantage position…just like in Bersih demo where splinter groups converge towards the palace and the FRU in the vicinity of the palace were sandwiched and overwhelmed and had to sit quietly by the roadside.

    There should be a number of routes taken to converge on to the palace..this would force the police to deploy thinly on the ground, reducing their effectiveness in crowd dispersal.

    A single route/ direction allows the police to concentrate their resources and effectively disperse the crowd.

    In my opinion the demonstration was a passive one and the police though with their teargas gun and water canon took minimum force to disperse the demo. There were no police holding their m16 rifles or pistol pointing at the crown.

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  16. michael
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 12:28:47

    Dr Hsu,

    your gerakan youth chief have really brought great embarassment to party Gerakan.
    And turn gerakan into a laughing stock.
    I am from Penang……..everyone is laughing why your gerakan youth chief is like Sor Chai. Don’t even plan things properly and mislead the people that gerakan support GMI rally.
    He gave excuse that it is illegal rally but didn’t he know that permit would not be given when he issued his statement to support last week?

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  17. serendipity hopeful
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 12:29:40

    Galvanized Force May Bring Down a Government.

    Unjustified death and unjustified police brutality against people with good causes in most cases often startle many uncommitted people and fence-sitters into join the fight against tyranny. History is rich with such examples… Gandhiji-led, peaceful fight against minority suppression in South Africa, his more famous peaceful demonstrations against the British in his native India, Rosa Parks’ simple act of protest galvanized America’s civil rights revolution, Martin Luther King Jr’s. death startled the people to repeal discriminatory laws against the blacks, Corazon Aquino’s People Power brought down the cruel Marco’s regime … the pages of history are repleted with many such results brought about by such galvanized forces.

    Are we seeing such scenario being played out in Malaysia now. There is the Teoh Beng Huat’s and yesterday we have the brutal police reaction against the peaceful demonstration.

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  18. michael
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 12:30:14

    Dr Hsu,
    also please see at 3.48 minute in this video. How a chinese girl reporter cannot stand with Lim Si Pin political drama and his press conference. Just comical and look like an idiot! He bring shame to the whole Gerakan!!!!!!

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  19. Kenny
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 13:00:49

    The main potency of the ISA was as a weapon of fear and this effect was even more important than actual detentions. Mahathir knew how to manage this weapon, he used it with devastating effect.

    Due to mismanagement of the ISA under Pak Lah epitomized by the foolish detention of Sin Chew journalist Tan Hoon Cheng and DAP MP Teresa Kok, the fear factor has largely dissipated. The ISA is now ridiculed and those put under ISA consider it a badge of honour and a sure route to gaining popularity such as the Hindraf 5.

    Any ISA detention create so much bad publicity for the govt that using the ISA on anybody other than real terrorists is now no longer politically acceptable. If RPK returns, the govt can hardly return him to Kamunting without suffering more political backlash than he is worth. Even worse, any political ISA detainee gains instant fame and sympathy as well as a platform to attack the govt.

    If the BN govt is smart they will see the pointlessness of clinging to a weapon which can hardly be used these days. They may as well gain some brownie points by abolishing it and introducing an anti-terrorism act.

    The ISA represents yet another political weapon down for the BN govt, just like ethnic fear and Chinese fear of PAS, they have been superceded by events and changing times.

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  20. klm
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 14:47:01

    Lim Si Pin. My oh my. He came out and walk from his SUV like he owns the earth. I cannot tahan him. Then he play act a script. There is no attempt to submit anything. Just trying to do photo ops and the make a statement to the press.

    He might got away in the days before the Internet. Today, in the Internet we see all. I can only see a stupid feeble attempt. His words means nothing.

    This is the Internet Age. He cannot hide, he cannot cheat. I think he is too stupid to see that.

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  21. Meng
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 16:06:54

    Lim Si Pin.. thats the best they have in Gerakan.

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  22. chanjoe
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 17:09:20

    Dr, I wonder what will actually break your back with Gerakan & BN. Look at how the ppeople who wanted to have a peaceful march to the Istana but was tear gassed, attacked, arrested and using loads of weapons on the people.

    The police are the ones who had inconvenienced people in KL. Why closed roads since morning? Why roadblocks to screen people? It has been proven that roadblocks dont work and we have more than 20k people out there.

    Cant the police wake up?

    I also wish Dr willm also wake up as BN had said ISA shall not be abolished and yet I am sad to see you staying in BN-Gerakan. What can you do about it rather than join us in our People’s struggle? Gerakan Youth said wanted to take part on 1st Aug but then chickened out and put on a very pathetic show. Shame on Gerakan….Real Shame

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  23. raf loh
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 17:10:34

    THat’s why gerakan sucks with such people.
    His cheap publicity to caugh when he cannot think got spotted by a lady reporter at 3.46minute in the youtube. Just see how she react…..disgusted with that shitperson……no shame for himself.

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  24. raf loh
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 17:12:25

    chanjoe,

    gerakan youth did not chicken up. Actually, they gave false promise to the GMI and the rest of the people in Malaysia. I think it was an attempt for cheap publicity by lim si pin.
    But all media notice it at the end. Disgusting trick by lim.

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  25. Chauncey Gardener
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 17:16:08

    Someone should have asked Lim Si Ping what he would do if the Istana administration do not reply to him or reject his application to send the memorandum.

    Effectively, how do you get to stage 2 when you cannot get past stage 1 ?

    Back down ?

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  26. raf loh
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 17:30:08

    chauncey,
    I think that never cross the mind of Lim Si Pin.
    The ultimate purpose for publicity.
    He would not have got the publicity if he had join the GMI gathering yesterday.
    But the cost of this publicity is shame to his party gerakan.

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  27. mccann105
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 18:10:56

    that lee tai sor make my day..i sort of like him…

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  28. mccann105
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 18:16:15

    one point, dr hus..where u get the patience to tahan sitting with dubes like this?

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  29. yay
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 18:24:20

    doc,

    talk till the cows come home.

    they even have the temerity to remand a 16 year boy for 4 days which is evidently against the UN convention for which this country is a signatory! a bloody disgrace.

    anyway, I dont expect anything different from this IGP which was in cohort with the AG to fraem Anwar in 1998. my take? UMNO needs him to keep PR off balance.

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  30. Richard Loh
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 21:32:31

    Dr. Hsu,

    You are wrong, its not a battlezone. There is no battle being fought, only the pdrm and fru have the guns, water cannon and tear gas, what does the protesters have to fight this battle, NOTHING. They are just holding peaceful rallies and they got “slaughtered” unarmed.

    As for the gerakan youth, they are just playing with politics which umno did not blame them but instead keep on banging that PR is the one playing politics.

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  31. raymond
    Aug 02, 2009 @ 23:32:34

    dr hsu,
    i think your gerakan youth chief is a real embarassment to your party.
    It is more damaging to your party and gerakan now become a laughing stock.
    How can he simply come out a statement to support and end up cancel one day before?
    Is this the type of person the rakyat can trust in future?
    Didn’t he know that GMI would not get the permit earlier?

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  32. Meng
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 00:32:55

    Next chapter Kg Buah Pala. Landowners said they will tear down the kg.

    How strong will the blockade be?? Its bulldozers VS human blockade. FRU again?? teargas, beating and arresting???

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  33. Atila
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 02:23:36

    Dr. Hsu
    When will BN Govt that TokHisham repeal ISA?

    What can we rakyat do to make this BN Govt & TokHisham expedite matters of ISA?

    As at today, how many Malaysians & non-Malaysians in ISA? Does below potray the correct info?

    http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2001/3e.htm

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  34. DG
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 11:46:58

    Question asked to Lim Si Pin was “are you dissappointed ” He was stumped, and answered “we will not be dissappointed”
    Straightforward question on how he felt and he answer like that . Can we expect any sincerity or words spoken from the heart from him, in future ?
    Even when he spoke in Inggeris, he just didn’t have the flair to be a great statesman…

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  35. disgusted
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 13:08:39

    Lim Si Pin doing it to garner public support. Does he know the real sufferings of the ISA victims’ families, how Nazi-type police snatch people in the wee hours of the morning without leaving word or information where they are taking their victims. Whether the prison conditions can slowly kill the sick and the brainwashing interrogation and demoralising psychological methods to make a person demeaning to the point of suicidal.

    Najib as usual said the rally is public inconvenience. Did he ever admit that his past and present regime had absolutely abused the ISA to silent dissenters? Is he acknowledging that it is against human rights? The torture and sufferings of the victims and families? The inhuman government saying terrorism…..an excuse and a banner to justify the unjustifiable?

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  36. mike
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 13:32:36

    lim si pin had’s action had been condemned by both barisan nasional and pakatan rakyat and even gerakan members.

    gerakan will not improve or be respected by the rakyat or even BN or PR if there is still such person leading the party. Very very sad!

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  37. mike
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 13:34:06

    dr hsu,
    how would you evaluate your gerakan youth chief? i cannot understand why you all choose him? Is it just because of his father lim keng yaik?

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  38. Another Rakyat
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 14:56:09

    Dear Dr. Hsu,
    All these “jokers” who supported the PR (Pembangkang Rakyat) are only kidding themselves about “peaceful” demonstration on the streets in the City.
    Even a small motor vehicle accident in the street can cause a huge traffic jam. This is no longer peaceful.
    It could only be true if PR have a peaceful demo at the Shah Alam Stadium. They can shout and scream all they want over there.
    I am very sure the Police will issue multiple Permits even if they want to demo everyday.
    The problem is, the PR are bent on making chaos in the City Center to protray a bad impression of our beloved Malaysia in the eyes of the World.
    That is the MAIN OBJECTIVE!!!
    It has nothing to do with the ISA.

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  39. DG
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 15:37:13

    If it was held at the Stadium would it be as effective as a street demo ?
    It’s obvious that a street demo get’s the attention locally and abroad. ” It is an effective tool if anyone wants to be heard for whatsoever the objective is.”
    My question is why would Malaysians want to “potray a bad impression of our beloved Malaysia in the eyes of the world ?”
    What is the “motive” and how can these “Malaysians benefit from it ?????
    Perhaps Another Rakyat can elaborate ?

    Just another non participating rakyat.

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  40. Nick
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 17:59:40

    We may not be as brave or as crazy as the Thais or the Filipinos, but M’sians are certainly learning how to protest. Slowly but surely, we are pealing away at the legitimacy of this Government. The March (Rally) was definitely peaceful. There was no damage done to properties, nor vehicles except those destroyed by the brutal PDRM gangsters-in-uniform. Reformasi!!!!

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  41. Meng
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 19:50:10

    If the umno off and on can demonstrate and make their voices heard in the street, why should PR have it in a stadium. You either allow it or don’t at all. Cannot be favouring one side and bash the others. Has to be fair.

    “”Malaysians government”” is potraying a bad impression of our beloved Malaysia in the eyes of the world !!!

    This government is Sick.

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  42. disgusted
    Aug 03, 2009 @ 22:05:57

    I suppose some people think arresting Malaysians under ISA is “projecting a GOOD impression” to the world. Imprisoning them without a court trial is good image for the country in this century of human evolution. What about using C4 for murder, also convey an excellent image?

    Talk sense, have a brain!

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  43. CTLee
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 10:26:42

    Dear “Another Rakyat”,

    I think you are the greatest `JOKER`. You are being naive or just another BN apologist. Were you there in KL to witness the demo before you pass judgement. The traffic jam was not caused by the protesters but rather by the Polis road blocks which actually started on Friday.

    You got it all wrong when you think that the protesters were just young juveniles out to vent their anger. The crowd were from a wide spectrum of society: young, old, working class, middle class, professionals, Ngos, etc of all races and religious background. You think we got nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon risking to be arrested and leaving our young children at home. It is for the love of our nation that we were there to be counted. Change is inevitable. Wake up!

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  44. chanjoe
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 10:54:18

    Dr Hsu,

    I felt so sick with Utusan Malaysia’s writeup on Teoh and called Teoh’s unborn child as a “bastard”. His child would have a father to cuddle him if Teoh is not murdered. How can Utusan write such things and can even get away with it?

    The people in Utusan are sick and morons. Can u Dr stand such poeple behind Utusan who are having UMNO as their Tai Kor?

    The fact is that we should have more Demonstrations and this time it should be against UMNO and Utusan too. This is 1Malaysia????

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  45. klm
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 11:10:54

    Yeah. Dr. Hsu. How can Gerakan be associated with people who have such sick minds. How can Gerakan condone Utusan? If Lim Si Pin want to do something worthwhile, go and protest against Utusan.

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  46. A true Malaysian
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 11:26:19

    Dr. Hsu,

    Previously, when we see a person’s name beginning with a title Dr., we bestow the highest respect on this person.

    But, such title does not command respect like what we used to be, and the person who carries the title has to be blamed for this.

    That Mohd Redhuan Tee is one of the so-called “Doctor”.

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/34073-teoh-family-demand-apology-over-insensitive-utusan-article

    I personally think that only medical doctor is entitled to the title “Dr.”, you agree, Dr. Hsu?

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  47. mike
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 12:27:24

    lim si pin just want publicity. Most malaysian don’t know his name until a few days ago.
    He is now know as a Sor Chai politician.
    Big embarassment for him and the gerakan.

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  48. Dr Hsu
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 12:45:27

    dear readers,

    unable to post yesterday. Was very busy , there is a sudden spike in fever cases, and from morning to afternoon, i was very busy attending to patients wooried about H1N1.

    It is another busy day today. No time to surf too.

    ATM,

    the term ‘docotr’ originates in 1303, applying to ‘doctors of the church’, those learned people in scriptures.

    The term was only used for medical doctors in 1377, and so it is not an exclusve terms for medical doctors. Though just a few decades ago, when PhDs are not so abundant, the term doctor almost always means medical doctors. Nowadays, there are so many PhDs, and even PhD in democracy, that when the term doctor is mentioned , it may mean Phds, or a medical doctor.

    Source: ethymology

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Etymology-Meaning-Words-1474/doctor.htm

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  49. mike
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 13:06:35

    dr hsu,
    is the H1N1 situation that serious in Malaysia?

    Is there a cure now for H1N1 patient?

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  50. Another Rakyat
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 14:06:05

    Dear Dr. Hsu,

    DG; meng; disgusted; CTLee:
    I am saying it again, It has nothing to do with the ISA!!!
    It is ALL about POLITICS!!!
    When the Rakyat are warming up to the new Leadership (Merdeka Report), the PR (Pembangkang Rakyat) Leaders need to create some chaos to try to stamp it.
    They don’t care about Malaysia! They only care about themselves.!!!
    Just look at the negative news reports around the world.
    That is the MAIN OBJECTIVE!!!
    Guys, That is POLITICS!!!

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  51. cilipadi
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 14:31:37

    Another Rakyat,

    In the eyes of a non-Malaysian like me, Malaysia’s reputation is already ‘koyak’.

    Stop BULLSHITING here.

    siapa makan cili, dia ‘bullshits’

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  52. cilipadi
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 14:35:29

    “KOYAK” long long ago before this battlezone.

    KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT

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  53. Another Rakyat
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 15:05:56

    Dear Dr. Hsu,

    cilipadi:

    Is this how PR (Pembangkang Rakyat) supporters behave?
    PR Supporters CANNOT ACCEPT dissenting views of other people!
    Just imagine if they are on the streets. Sure “KECOH” as its proven.
    It is SO SAD!

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  54. cilipadi
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 15:28:50

    I look at Malaysia from outside. I am not Malaysian.

    I am annoyed by Malaysian like someone here.

    Shame on you.

    someone makan cili, someone rasa pedas

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  55. annoyed
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 15:45:49

    Why is her personal website uses government resources(www.pmo.gov.my). Why the heck is us(taxpayer) paying for her personal website when we ourself couldn’t afford our own website and have to use free webhosting with full of unwanted ads around! I am not going to pay my tax anymore!

    You guess, who is this ‘her’?

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  56. Nick
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 15:49:31

    Dear “Another Rakyat”, the coming out party for DSAI was held at the Kg Baru stadium sometime in Year 2007. Do you know that half way through his speech addressed to some 10,000 PKR followers and party faithfuls, the Police had the audacity to foreclose the meeting and ask DSAI to adjourn as no permits were given. I thought the PM today said that stadium meetings were okay? Well, the H6 PDRM with the corrupted IGP in the lead thought otherwise. So, what do you expect from the public? Everything the opposition do is “no go”. I am afraid the only way is to take to the street and march peacefully.

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  57. yks
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 16:58:36

    I bumped into a gerakan fren at pulau tikus last night. he told me that there are some people, maybe only one or two want to take the opportunity of the rally issue to disdain si pin image.

    Previously when si pin decided to join the 1/8 rally, they condemn his decision with all sorts of reasons. When he decided to call of the rally as clearly said before ie youth will not participate if unlawful and violent, also kena criticise. YOU SEE?

    This fren also said the critics cleverly try to cover every blogs, websites and facebook of Gerakan to bring down Si Pin, which I find it indeed, every sites have the same criticsms, style of language and words used. this is not healthy – just like how PR manipulated the cyber to smoke screen the voters.

    If one is to watch the clip again, that reporter OBVIOUSLY got pissed off not because of Si Pin but the tear gas. There is no written protocol about sending a memo to istana. Pro-ISA or Magan group managed to do it solo without the letter of appointment ie no protocol; simply becos is pro-ISA. Ultimately I hope all the netizens will read comments in a sensible way and not to be carried away emotionally. Action always speak louder than words.

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  58. Anonymous
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 17:23:44

    Dr Hsu,
    its ok. understand you are busy.

    I am worried too of AH1N1….dont go kenduris, dont go public places, shop groceries with mask quick shop and back home, dont meet up friends much, dont eat – out, fear go jogging maybe you have 1-2 irresponsible with flu also go jog fear go gym….phew!! it now creating fear outdoor meet people society.

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  59. chanjoe
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 17:29:32

    yks,

    I laugh with your comments trying to stand for Lim Si Pin.

    Gerakan is already at the doorstep of the political graveyard and thats why Lim is trying to gain some cheap shot at some pitiful publicity. Not only you have a youth leader who does not show any of real Gerakan bravery but even your president is already a sicko who goes back on his words to accept a nice cushioned job thru the back door. What do you say about KTK?

    Its ok lah….just we wait and see and by GE13, Gerakan will either remain a layby sick party or may even be wiped out of the political map just like PPP and then we can see lots of quarrel for the top job again.

    We have to be realistic about the situation as GE12 showed that people of Malaysia has thrown Gerakan out of Penang and from feedbacks, it will remain out forever. Good luck to the pitiful guys remaining.

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  60. Meng
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 17:47:24

    “””They don’t care about Malaysia! They only care about themselves.!!!”””

    This is more applicable to BN and its cronies enriching themselves. As such they have to protect their interest , ISA as their tool, with the corrupted agencies to do their dirty work in protecting their political interest.

    Do they care for the country when they even went to the extend to belittle the Royalty with names, reducing their power whereby they have an upperhand on the royalty. Yes they care for the country where they can rob, cheat and deny right and privileges to the taxpayers. Where are the so called caring attitude and civil liberties which rightfully belongs to the raayat.

    Innocent have been detained at their whimp and fancies, families disrupted, death in custody and the many more sickness which you know about it. Too many to list???

    Who were the ones that kecoh…It was the police, not the raayat. They marched peacefully and when brutally harassed, did the demonstrators retaliated in kind.??? No they dispersed but the silly police were kicking and punching..sheesh who kecoh.??

    It has never been a malaysian culture where demonstrators become violent and destroy public properties and even when been attacked by the police were there any cars burnt, shops looted
    properties destroyed…NO. Destruction if any were from the silly police action.

    We have to be rational and look at it in the correct manner as who really “””KECOH””

    ISA has caused hardship and social injustice to the innocent and it is a social issue at large. Rightly it was initiated by GMI, an NGO fighting to remove it. Politician in the main were subjected to this law without committing any offences as such….so rightly they would support the ISA movement and removal in their own individual rights.

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  61. brian
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 17:48:57

    can we all stop talking about his lim si pin or criticize that idiot.

    He is already hopeless. His image is already so bad and no need more bad thing liao!

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  62. Meng
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 18:08:00

    Dr Hsu don’t worry, H1N1 will mutate soon and when it does, no more problem. It will be just another flu.

    We had the umno flu, mca flu, Gerakan flu and ,mic flu and these have mutated into BN Flu which is more serious. But this BN flu is one of its kind, it works in a mysterious way. It controls agencies and kills the innocent.

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  63. shoo lee
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 18:19:06

    yks,
    if you say si pin is so good, why not u ask him about what he sabotage sdr huan cheng guan?

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  64. Meng
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 19:41:43

    Michael Jackson Tribute – Montreal July 27

    I would suggest that our police idiots go this video and see for themselves how the Police on duty joined in the dance.

    Way way different from ours.

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  65. Meng
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 20:13:26

    With so many ills in this government, yet Gerakan is one of the pilars supporting the umno dominated goevernment. Most of you are aware of these ills as it stretches from social injustices, draconian law..ISA, police brutality, corruption, denial of education rights,… etc etc. These are the precondition for terrorism. Even with these on going it has not risen to the level of taking revenge or any possible terrorist act sighting in the horizon. Terrorism is a poor man’s weapon and an effective counter to those ills mentioned, repeat yet it is still not in sight.

    The reason or main reason I should say is because the Pakatan MPs are very much sober and have high sense of responsibilities as compared to mca, gerakan and umno politicians. Praising the police brutal action and selective punishment indicate how low their thinking brain power have become and are not worthy to serve the raayat. These idiotic thoughs in their mind destroy humanity and their rights to peaceful and a just livehood.

    But, if the ills persist and seen no where insight for corrective action, a catalyst may arise paving the way towards terrorism….. Blame the doings of BN

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  66. Kenny
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 20:22:34

    “If one is to watch the clip again, that reporter OBVIOUSLY got pissed off not because of Si Pin but the tear gas.” – yks

    Dear yks,
    I’ve watched the video clip closely and there’s no evidence of tear gas. How can others not be affected if there was tear gas? Is this the sort of transparent lie that you spin for Gerakan? Pathetic!

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  67. annoyed
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 20:42:38

    Lets call him Lim Spin. He is not fit for the alphabet I.

    He has no I, no soul.

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  68. michael
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 20:45:06

    i think maybe it was lim si pin caughing. The reporters all alfraid of H1N1 or his mouth smelly. So all turn away

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  69. michael
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 20:46:42

    hahaha…….Lim Spin………expert Spin Doctor!
    Dr Lim Spin!

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  70. disgusted
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 21:34:46

    Cilipadi,

    I see another idiot here.

    We are all PKR supporters to him….ha, haa… we shouldn’t waste our fingertips’ energy rebutting him. A fool thinks he is right is always a fool. Let it me, his karma.

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  71. DG
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 21:45:01

    Another rakyat, I agree it’s politics but ISA and politics seems to intertwine for most politicians.
    But not every anti or pro isa supporters are doing it for political reasons. Do you agree ?
    You’re promoting “Let’s agree to disagree” ?
    Correct me if I am wrong .

    Dr Hsu, are the private hospitals equip to do the H1n1 test ? I understand the General Hospitals are swamped with so many cases that it is a long wait to be tested. Can the test be done at the Klinik Kesihatan too ?

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  72. cilipadi
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 21:46:10

    monk,

    It, neither he nor she, is not only a fool, but an idiot.

    Lets Lim Spin spins them in bullshits.

    Spin eat cili, fool, idiot eat bullshits

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  73. Meng
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 22:18:08

    “”Can the test be done at the Klinik Kesihatan too ?””

    You can try, get a number and wait. The late comers will get a number very much ahead of you. So wait wait and wait and you may be dead before your turn to see a doctor.

    But when a young women wants a pregnancy test she will be the first for free fingering or fiddle..whereas in a private clinic you pay the doctor to fiddle your wife.

    Pick your choice..free or pay?? Just clowing/

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  74. A true Malaysian
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 22:35:16

    To all right thinking Malaysians,

    Let’s remind ourselves, there is a poem that inspired me by my blogger friend, Justin Choo’s “Tonight Is the Night”, to kick of with a poem which was later joined in by readers of this forum, and ultimately become “A poem dedicated to all Malaysians” is a good reference point to remind us all to achieve the ultimate aim of a better Malaysia. The link is at your right hand side of this webpage. For convenience, I copy and paste over here,

    https://hsudarren.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/a-poem-dedicated-to-all-malaysians/

    There are strong forces that against our aspiration to achieve a better Malaysia, and it is our duty not to let these forces push us away from achieving this ultimate aim.

    We have seen enough of these bad practices, and we see no improvement but things are getting from bad to worse, worse to worst.

    So, let’s us,

    Reveal what is right,
    Erase wrong with right,
    That’s also our rights,
    Tonight IS the Night……

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  75. disgusted
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 22:38:32

    Yes, right, Cilipadi, correct, correct, correct,
    Gorek, gorek, gorek

    Another Martian just landed on some Bull-Shit on a field with no cows

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  76. DG
    Aug 04, 2009 @ 22:59:56

    Meng, your answer very fascinating . I get more info than what I want .

    Dr Hsu, I don’t know if it’s just my imagination because H1N1 has reached our shores, friends, relatives and acquiantances seem to be down with fever. It could be the normal flu but than again, these people I know seldom gets a fever lasting more than 3 days. Should they be concern ?

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  77. Dr Hsu
    Aug 05, 2009 @ 09:17:56

    One characteristics of H1N1 is the ease in which it spreads. If one person can spread to 5, and 5 to 25 , very soon, many people will be down with the flus. That is why there is a tremendous increase in number of flu cases in most clinics. Some are because people are scared, so at the slightest cough, they go visit their doctors, but there is no doubt an increase in flu cases.

    As I have said, even if the mortality rate is low, but with the vast numbers of people down with the flu, the absolute number of people dying will be high.

    The confrimed cases reported by the government are the more serious cases, since they are only doing confirmatory tests on seriuos cases. Most cases are mild and the advice given by government hospitals is to go home and rest., without the testts being done. So with only serious cases reported, the denominator will be skewed, and the mortality rate will be seen to go higher than before when even mild cases are picked up during contact tracing or at the airport.

    So expect the mortality to go up, but the individual risk is small… Most of the cases are still mild, with spontaneous recovery within a few days.

    Some cases present only with fever and diarrhoea, so those with diarrhoea, pls do be careful.

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  78. DG
    Aug 05, 2009 @ 10:36:35

    Dr Hsu,
    I know of someone down with fever fifth day. Sore throat, cough with phelgm. Sweating and was given antibiotics. Should this person get tested for H1n1. I heard that the test can be done at certain hospitals eg GHKL and the SG. Buloh Hospital only and private hospitals are not equip to do the test ?Considering all the suspected cases are going to these places, my friend also dare not take the risk .
    Go there for test, don’t have and come back with one, risky.

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  79. Dr Hsu
    Aug 05, 2009 @ 11:42:14

    ANyone with persistent fever, or sudden soikes of high fever after fever has appraenlt subsided, should get tested.

    There are in fact 2 labs doing it now, the viral lab in Sg BUloh Hospital as well as the Institute of Medical Research(IMR) next to HKL.

    Private hospitals can send their specimens to IMR for testings , but the IMR would be very shorthanded and overwhelmed by the specimens from all over the countries. That is why the DG has changed his stand. Last week he said anyone can insist on a throat swab, but now he said that only serious and high risks cases will be tested for H1N1, because our resources will be overwhelmed if everyone is sending test specimens to IMR.

    SO, the best bet is still go to government hospitals and get tested if fever does not subside or if there is difficulty in breathing , or if there is sudden spikes of high fever.. or if diarrhoea persisted.

    I was told by some of my patients that in certain classes , almost half the students are down with flu sypmtoms, and in some offices, half the staff are sick. That is the ease of spread of this virus, even though most cases are mild, and recovery is the norm…

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  80. Meng
    Aug 05, 2009 @ 12:15:34

    Is the Flu virus manufactured in the Labs ???

    According to other sources,12 a top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, has concluded that the current swine flu virus possesses certain transmission “vectors” that suggest the new strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon.

    The UN expert believes that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 swine flu virus are biological warfare agents.

    http://www.swineflu-information.com/commentary/is-swine-flu-a-manufactured-virus

    Google “manufactured Lab virus” plenty of it ???

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  81. disgusted
    Aug 05, 2009 @ 17:49:13

    Meng,
    You are damn right….like movies….no smoke without fire.

    Normally without man’s intervention and evil doings, the ecology and even virus environment can undergo a check and balance survival scenario, meaning many bacteria and viruses do die a natural death but not after Man’s brilliant idea on biological warfare. Manufactured mutation is something else. I wonder those responsible do deserve to die violent deaths or be sent to eternal hell.

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  82. Atila
    Aug 06, 2009 @ 01:20:10

    Have the women and children being released?

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