Good people don’t last !

I decided to post my last comment as a post since I think that it may be good to share with more people, especially some who do not read the comments section:

My last comment in the previous  post:

When a new person in power is trying to reform a corrupt culture, he will step on the toes of a lot of people and antagonise a lot of members. Only those who follow status quo and smiles all the time to members can get support, but this amicable person would not be able to change warlord culture. OTK is of the former. So it is inevitable that he was pushed out…

Only thing he made a blunder himself by not being careful about those around him. As an incumbent, he has a lot of advantage,s including rephrasing the resolutions so as to deny any so called third force any opportunity.

Unfortunately, he is overconfident and he has an inexperienced Sec Gen who should have bargained hard for the phrasing of the resolutions. They are holding the chips and not CSL during the negotiation phase.

I equate him with the Minister in Sung Dynasty, Huang An shi, who tried to introduced reforms all over the country but in the end, everyone was against him and pushed him out…since his reforms touched almost every court official and even county officials… No one liked that..

 Even in the setting up of ICAC in Hong Kong, during the initial phase, the police and all other enforcement departments went to the streets and threatened to go on strike, and in the end the authority have to give amnesty to everyone (almost everyone was corrupt at that time in Hong Kong) and promised there would be no witch hunt, and only corruptions after a certain date would be considered an offense, and those committed before that date would be forgiven.. That calmed the police down and slowly, corruption disappears.

This tells us that to reform, you need to have those whom you are trying to reform to be with you. Unless you are like Mao with his gun barrels, reforms can only be introduced in stages, and human nature is such that no one likes overnight drastic changes.. Especially when one’s livelihood is involved, they will fight toe to nail with anyone who is trying to take their livelihood away.

I have always advised young people wishing to go into politics to study history, especially Chinese history over the last 2000 years, and one can gain a lot of insight and wisdom from the history..

BUt please do not learn the ruthless and cruel ways in which the politicians shut off and killed their opponents. Learn the history so as to equip yourself to shield the arrows , but not use the methods to kill off your opponents..

OTK is a master of chinese history, unfortunately, he has trusted those around him too much; I heard that he has his own sets of 4th floor boys who antagonized lots of party veterans..

4th floor boys are paid staff and they have no patience and do not show respect to the elders.. Especially some with high qualifications would think very highly of themselves, and show respect to no one..And human nature again that those elders who were slighted would not forgive OTK…

After all, when they feel slightly over a small matter (like forgotten to address their titles), they place their self interest ( these boys not give ‘face’ to them lah ) over that of party, community and country… That is how some of  the elders in any party operate… They get angry over small slights, and even you do great things for the party and community, they will always remain your enemies..

Those who slapped their shoulders, buy them drinks, show them proper respect,  even if they are opportunists, these veterans will still support them..

Sigh! Good person does not last in politics…

Just a few years watching from the sidelines, near the corridor of power, I have seen enough to  be contented with being  just a social political volunteer, to give some views…  From eunuch politics, leash-holding politics, divide and rule, stab in the back, poison arrows, taking away the plank after crossing the bridge, ‘dog’ politics, open file politics and so on., horse  tradings (I suspect, some may be willing to trade their wives), sifu trading…etc etc… I can write a book on that… called the Arts of the politics perhaps…

HAve to stop now, getting too ‘cheong hei’ -long winded- already..  :)

79 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. klm
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:11:02

    This is the same failed Badawi strategy. Smart Oxford graduates, western ideas of management, hard charging and result driven. It may work in the corporate world where it is essentially a dictatorship.

    It will not work in politics. There are snakes everywhere inside a political party. Even the closest confidant can be bought.

    One has to be a bigger snake to survive in the snake pit.

    I think you are right in saying OTK is too trusting.

    I dont agree that learning Chinese history alone is enough. OTK failed to read Machiavelli. He failed to pick up the deviousness and ruthlessness of the western culture. The modern Asian leader must be well versed in the dark arts of both eastern and western culture. Only then he can survive. Dont forget the other side have Oxford graduates too.

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  2. Dr Hsu
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:18:45

    klm,
    yes, I agree with you, do learn about Machiavelli.

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  3. klm
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:31:48

    Dr. Hsu. The difference between East and West are:

    1. Chinese history and culture taught leaders how to be good – e.g. Master Kong’s “Perfect Man” and his “Golden Means”. Even the examples in Chinese history taught what happened when a leader was bad. But there were not text to teach leaders to be bad.

    2. That is where Machiavelli come in. How to be devious and ruthless. A leader has to learn this too.

    OTK must learn to smile, bow, kiss hand and stab in the back. 🙂

    Like the Mafia goodfather would say. It is not personal. It is just business.

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  4. klm
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:38:17

    I just got to add this – my snake law.🙂

    From

    “One has to be a bigger snake to survive in the snake pit. ”

    To.

    “One has to be a bigger snake and more poisonous to survive in the snake pit”

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  5. Dr Hsu
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:48:07

    One has to be a bigger snake, with thicker skin, and blacker heart and more poisonous to survie in the snake pit..
    🙂

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  6. Anonymous
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:48:34

    Dear Dr Hsu

    http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/27786/84/

    Do you think that this allegation is true ?

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  7. frank
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 12:56:41

    No wonder the fork-tongue viper could stay so long in the snake pit yet can spurt venom on the face of the old goat TDM!

    A short satire hoped to make yours day —-

    >>Forward : A good one to laugh out loud.<> Semi Value and his driver, Muniandy, were cruising along a Sungai Siput country road one evening when an old dog loomed in front of the car.

    >> Muniandy tried to avoid it but couldn’t – the old dog was killed.

    >> Samy Vellu told Muniandy to go up to the farmhouse and explain to the owners what happened.

    >> About an hour later, Muniandy staggered back to the car with his clothes in disarray. He was holding a bottle of expensive wine in one hand, an
    expensive Cuban cigar in the other and was smiling happily, his cheeks smeared with lipstick.

    >> “What happened?” asked Semi Value.

    >> “Well,” Muniandy replied, “the farmer gave me the wine, his wife gave me the cigar, and their beautiful twin daughters were so happy they kept
    >> kissing
    >> me!”

    >> “My God, what did you tell them?” asked Semi Value.

    >> Muniandy replied: “I’m Semi Value’s driver, and I just killed the
    >> old dog.”…..!!!!

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  8. klm
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 13:04:14

    frank. Hahaha! Good One. And very good punch line too.

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  9. Meng
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 13:40:21

    “”(I suspect, some may be willing to trade their wives)””

    Is it that bad. If true, thats shows how low down MCA leaders are. No wonder ppl want to join mca.

    If CSL is the president he will have one hell of a good time screwing….

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  10. frank
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 15:00:33

    Meng,

    In Bolehland politics, semuanya boleh……

    Horse trading of wives is so common it did not born yesterday! The role model is our honourable you know who, top dog….

    Those henchman supporters of CSL in Penang comprised of Datuk and Dr. warlords having their faces appeared in the daily news these few days, are mostly having jolly characters, though old, but still are! And tons of stories have been floating around in the market place which already has become an open secret!

    Have you heard of there’s a YB Dr Mabuk in Pg?!
    While he’s drinking high, his hand would automatically sneak in to the boobs and he’s caught red handed once in the pub! Sounds like an obscene porn story?

    Obviously, these type of characters would like to fall back to reminiscent of good old times! Only by supporting a sex-maniac and sensual Chua, they will have chances, without knowing, they are only dreaming!

    Trading of wives is so normal to them as if the ‘wives exchange club’ in Taiwan, sub-sub-sui lah!

    ‘When the upper beam is not straight, the below ones crooked’, this is d indisputable truth of the adage!

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  11. A true Malaysian
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 15:55:15

    Read this article by Mahaguru,

    http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2009/10/mca-debacle-what-bloody-hell.html

    Maybe OTK should just hang on even though he has given his words to resign. In a way, teach his supposed trusted colleagues a lesson especially the 4 vice snakes. The lady snake is the fiercest, most poisonous, most ambitious, …..cunning

    Good people do last ……. just be honest and tell all without hiding anything

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  12. klm
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 16:12:05

    AtM. I agree with you. OTK should turn and bite the 4 vice snakes. Give them a taste of their poison.

    It is time to can the lady snake. She was almost canned that last. This should be the last straw.

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  13. frank
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 16:35:54

    After due consultation with the chief monk 星云法師, unverified news had it (this morning) that OTK will stay on for one term, though the Party constitution allows him to seek incumbency for max of two terms(?)!

    Stay tune until press release of OTK for construal..

    Like many others opinion, If I were OTK, I will choose to stay and stand to fight back the king cobra in the umno den as it’s obvious that he’s the black hand behind the kill! Who the hell are those umno nerds to have their arms muddled with the internal affairs of MCA, to ask OTK to budge over his Presidency ?!

    There’s an evil up that Najis sleeve!

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  14. A true Malaysian
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 16:40:15

    Tulang Besi is great as well, who say PR Penang government not good?

    http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2009/10/real-reason-for-hating-dap-is-their.html

    Transparency International (TI) praise this government of LGE.

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  15. Justin Choo
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 17:25:04

    Dr Hsu,

    You are beginning to sound like those Yankee Motivation Feel-good Gurus, making big money by writing “new” ideas with fanciful jargons, and of course with the gift of the gap, plus skin colour and a 6-footer.

    Unfortunately, you are not like them. Otherwise the Malaysian politicians would pay you good money to give them a lesson or two. Perhaps you can start with Katak.

    Dr Hsu, please don’t get mad at me. Just like to joke, with a bit of subtle message.

    Be that as it may, Dr Hsu you are wrong to always assume that good and honest people can’t last a day in power politics. We need people like you to run the country. If you don’t belive me:

    JUST DO IT.

    Ha ha ha!!!

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  16. A true Malaysian
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 17:52:00

    If Dr. Hsu is right, then Malaysians are under the mercy of pirates, murderers, corrupter, immoral, adulterer, snakes, wolfs, and so on so forth…. Scary indeed. Our lives are endangered.

    I rather believe in my friend, Justin Choo.

    You can be our saviour. If you don’t believe me & Justin Choo, …….

    JUST DO IT.

    He he he!!!

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  17. Meng
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 19:24:27

    Frank

    Has anyone recorded the YB mabuk action. Its high time someone do so. They have to be exposed..whole nation should know about it. Thats the only way to kill mca or atleast contribute to their decline.

    I am sure alot of ppl in other states do not know. I will be the first one to distribute it.

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  18. Meng
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 19:56:02

    Dr Hsu

    Out of curiosity, are there similar characters in Gerakan as mentioned by Frank and you on wife trading…porn parties.

    Looks like MCA leaders Wives are commodities…

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  19. klm
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 20:01:49

    Oh. Is that why Ng Yen Yen advised to wear sexy dress?🙂

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  20. Meng
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 21:09:49

    Ng Yen Yen in sexy dress. Take it off and nothing to look at. Bruised and greatly utilised…Have you seen how she walks…

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  21. disgusted
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 21:39:28

    Ng Yen Yen is outcast now, neither side (pro-Ong and Pro-chua) don’t want her. Despite appointed a minister, she didn’t give a shit to her constituency and to the party. Ong’s side is really pissed off with her, absenting herself when they wanted her support. She deliberately stayed away overseas under the pretext of official duties (wasting our tax payers’ money). She put out feelers to Chua’s side and they don’t want her.

    And her constituency will dump her out like garbage. Remember, Kg Koman with the gold mine plant and using cyanide. The villagers came to KL twice to “look” for her and she refused to see them to resolve the problem.

    During the EGM, a few villagers travelled all the way from Raub (Kg Koman) and carrying banners in front of Wisma MCA. And instead of being caring and compassionate, she did the David Copperfield escape.

    Can Malaysians support such an arrogant and uncaring leader? She helped the goldmine owners got a license and even recommended the owner (ex MCA leader) a Tan sri.

    This woman is disgusting. Cilipadi, give her real hot cilipadi.

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  22. cilipadi
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 22:12:32

    C and YY can fixed well together… disgusting old man and irritating witch

    Both can be P and DP either ways, interchangeably. Good marketing combination, lively.

    YY makan ‘cili’, C rasa ‘shiok’, real pedas

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  23. cilipadi
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 22:20:27

    Both are Doctors, don’t forget that, perfect match.

    C & Y makan cili, Dr. rasa pedas

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  24. disgusted
    Oct 14, 2009 @ 23:18:14

    Cilipadi,

    C don’t like old witches especially witches who cannot fly even with a magic broom.

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  25. Meng
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 00:41:32

    Cannot fly even with a magic broom but I am sure with C’s broom which is cili hot..YY will be flying hot hot syiok syiok .

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  26. Dr Hsu
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 00:49:18

    meng,
    Gerakan is not so bad as to wife trading… We have better memebrs, and that is the wh I am still in the part to hpe that it will go out BN… Idealist never loses hope.. do we?

    Just tonight , I can back from a meeting arguing that we should have left BN long ago and be on our own… It is better to die outside than inside.. At least we die with dignity…

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  27. romerz
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 03:04:49

    Dr Hsu, since you brought up the subject of a “better death”, I now give you permission to publish the letter of 20 April 2008 which I wrote to KTK.

    I still remember what he said then. “After the shock of 8 March, yours was a sincere letter which I truly appreciate. Don’t be apologetic for telling it as it is. Keep it coming and thank you for your honesty.”

    So much for my honesty that today we are no longer on speaking terms despite our 20+ years friendship.

    The man has changed as have I. So who is to blame? Him or me?

    All I know is I do not seek power to lead men. All I want is for UMNO to be stopped and democratic and independent institutions to exist so that our descendants can chart their own future even if it is a future without the ruling elites!

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  28. Yam Siap
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 08:15:24

    Dr. Hsu can you do the chinese community a favour?
    Carry out a poll in your blog to find out the most despised Chinese leader among the Chinese Community. I hope you can grant me this wish. I am now voting in advance…… Its the Ex-Deputy President of MCA.

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  29. edwin teow
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 10:28:51

    So , after reading your post , mean politics are dirty ! politicians are dirtier ! And our PM IS THE KING OF THEM ALL !

    No wonder our country is in such a disarray !

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  30. frank
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 10:36:47

    In most people’s perception, MCA and Gerakan are two parties already bygone! The tsunami is still having its remnant of effect around the corners of the domain of electorates. Hence peoples are having high expectation on the PR Government. Hoping that they will do well and better to effectively supersede the antiquated governance and propel Penang to betterment of economic stability, social fitness and do away all the political unrest, like Taiwan.

    President Ma has been concentrating in Governing the State, less spat and boisterous politicking have also subsided and the dusts settled down, so as he could focus on the physical development of the Country. The well beings of the Nation and the peoples could then be taken care of under the safeguard of the good governance and works dilegently!

    KTK was virtually being pampered too much during the initial stage when he first rose to be the State supremo. His cadres kept defending him for wrongdoings that he would have done and more time was he asked for to prove that he’s the man. After 19 years, he still was in his shilly-shally mode, not even he wished to listen to the truth, the real comments from the ground that would make him good!

    Deep in his cerebral pit he believed, as long as he has Umno to be his forever master, he will continue to enjoy his milks and all the goodies will never be lost! Knowing nothing that the peoples are all his only masters, he continues to listen to his sycophant think tanks! Good advice from romerz and Dr Hsu can hardly get into his ears, instead, will be irritating to his less efficient ear drum plugged with hearing aid.

    To teach a kid good, thou shall not always use the carrot. When the need arises and the time is due uncontrollable, the revolting kid has to be served with the stick! So now romerz has to resort to using the stick, though truth hurts, let it be, since you have told the truth, doom will be his mistake of not listening!

    That’s why we should not pamper and always feed the new born government with too much carrots and be sincere enough to give the sticks before it’s being over pampered and become rotten to the core until unpalatable!…….

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  31. Meng
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 11:27:40

    Dr Hsu

    To leave BN or not, your central committee should get a census from the supporters esp your registered members. The decision cannot solely be made by your central committee. You still have a sizeable support on the ground and these supporters should indicate the direction to take…otherwise you may loose alll of them.

    The strength of the leaders are derived from the ground support and leaders making decision may be in conflict with the supporters feelings and hope.

    Another if the supporters are boneless and waiting for the boneless leaders to make a decision…like umno supporters licking balls, might as well close down Gerakan.

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  32. cilipadi
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 13:15:06

    OTK to stay as MCA Chief.

    Make sure you’ll be a “Chef” as well. To “fry” those hide behind masks.

    Chef Ong fries snakes with cilipadi, Snakes rasa pedas…

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  33. klm
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 14:13:53

    Lessons from MCA and others
    ===================

    For those who have ambition to be leaders in a political party, learn these lessons well.

    1. Never trust any one fully. Not even your closes confidant

    2. Ambitions in your subordinates are fine. But always watch for tell tale signs of ambition not in checked.

    3. Because of 1 and 2, always have something on your subordinates to keep them in line. Have a dossier prepared for everyone. A person without sins means either (1) person is very good at keeping secrets or (2) person is a saint. Either one means danger to you.

    5. Always be ready to strike your enemies. But never show your hand until the moment you are ready to strike.

    4. Never let people read your real feeling. Always give your respect and honour the other person, until the moment you strike.

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  34. Dr Hsu
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 14:33:33

    klm,
    That is why the head of political party always play divide and rule, check and balance..

    They must have read ‘Julius Caeser’. Jilius Caeser ‘s best confidant, Brutus , betrayed him and stabbed him to death….

    I feel that the american system is much better. You want to be candidate to fight for the post of the head of a country, anyone can qualify as long as you can go through the primaries and get support from your own members..

    In system like ours, the top man is often so busy tracking potential challengers and looking at his back that little is left to sit down, think and strategise for the party and the people…

    And because of this system, factions are created and factional fights played into the hands of the Big Brother…

    It would be good for a start to have direct election of the presidents of all the politicla parties,, so that not onl delgates but the thousands of members can vote a.

    PKR is doing this… Now UMNO is also doing this.. I think MCA and Gerakan should do this too..

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  35. klm
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 14:42:00

    Dr. Hsu. Do you think MCA and Gerakan will do what you say? Well maybe, till the snakes come home.

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  36. Richard Loh
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 15:05:01

    Take the poll:

    Is UMNO A Racist Party

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  37. klm
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 15:11:39

    Of course UMNO is a racist party. It is for Malay. Just that it is hard to define what is a Malay. Is DJ Dave a Malay? Why is he an UMNO member?

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  38. klm
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 15:17:52

    And by the way, so are MCA and MIC racist party.

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  39. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 17:03:35

    The whole BN are racists. Not just Umno. Gerakan is also racist except Dr. Hsu, as far as I know lah.

    So, why is Dr. Hsu still in Gerakan? Ideology is dead. Actions are what matter.

    Hahahaha

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  40. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 17:31:59

    Dr. Hsu,

    From what I read, Umno still not going for 1 man 1 vote yet. Correct me if I am wrong here.

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  41. kittykat46
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 18:13:58

    I wouldn’t count OTK as “Good People”.
    He thought some exposure of the PKFZ scandal would make good politics to help MCA’s rehabilitation, but the python has come back to swallow him.
    The rides on private jets and the Million-ringgit “Loan” have exposed him as just another dirt-raking politician…

    There aren’t any good people left in MCA’s leadership.

    The party needs to be out of the government before it can start to cleanse itself.
    Not that its really part of the government anyway – that belongs to UMNO – but there are still serious perks flowing to the polies as part of their lap-dog role..

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  42. robertchai
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 18:14:39

    Any you people know about Abraham Maslow theory of needs? The people needs to eat, to live and to earn. Be optimistic and hopefully everyone get their needs.

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  43. Gerakan Watcher
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 19:16:21

    Pls read this article:

    (this articles say that DAP and UMNO are in secret talks)行动党与巫统搞合作?
    槟城两方领袖关系密切
    Editor 13-10-2009 16:35

    ——————————————————————————–

    独家报道! 行动党与巫统「密谋」合作,巫统做好准备,除了拉拢回教党传得沸沸扬扬外,便是要与行动党合作,一旦马华和民政党,在国阵内发挥不了作用,便以行动党取代相关政党,而巫统与行动党的合作,在槟城已「悄悄」开始。

    可靠消息告知《辣手杂志》,槟州巫统与行动党合作,已不是任何天大秘密,然而,两党合作是得到巫统最高领导层「默许」,这则不得而知。

    消息举例,行动党在槟州上台执政后,并是槟州民联政府的主要执政党,而多个原由巫统领袖负责的工程,都未被取消或更替,而是仍由巫统领袖负责。

    「这些工程是千万令吉以上的,庞大的工程合约,仍然在巫统领袖手中,而不是民联的自己人,这是很奇怪的现象。」

    据悉,其中一位巫统区部主席,竟然与行动党的行政议员交往甚密,当中是否有利益输送,这则不得而知,但从该名领袖获得的州政府工程来看,他与行动党的关系,的确非同凡响。

    消息指出,巫统表面上在抨击行动党,但实地里,在政治领域中,两者仍有话谈,双方都有协商馀地,而不是在媒体上看到那样,势成水火。

    该名熟悉槟城政治的领袖指出,首相纳吉也在槟州元首华诞中,获得最高的「拿督斯里」勋衔,而其他巫统领袖没有受封,并非他们不是同阵营,而是大部份都已有「拿督」级的领袖。

    「更重要的是,在双方的合作上,如工程的承包等,这些都显示,槟州行动党未对回教党赶尽杀绝,换句话说,难道行动党似乎有『人情味』?」

    至于另有消息指称,巫统看到马华的混乱,以及民政党的「无力」,因此打算拉拢行动党结盟,这点从槟城的合作可看出。

    不过,该名熟悉槟州政治的领袖却指出,他不清楚是否真有其事,但在槟州,行动党与巫统确实有合作。

    「这点并不出奇,毕竟,以前民政党领导槟州政府时,巫统领袖也同样与该党行政议员交往甚密,只是,如今换成敌对阵营的行动党,他们却依然一往如故,这点才耐人寻味。」

    http://www.laksou.com/

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  44. Meng
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 19:42:12

    Gerakan Watcher

    I would suggest that you also have the translated english version posted here. ..

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  45. klm
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 20:05:45

    If I am Najib and need a new Chinese Party, who would I want. Someone credible with the chinese community, of course. Amongst all the Chinese political leaders, who would carry respect. LKS of course. OTK? KTK? MCA and Gerakan are liabilities.

    Strategically speaking, it makes perfect sense.

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  46. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 20:23:29

    Dr. Hsu

    I m dissappointed with Gerakan Penang.

    In its website today, they are able to
    post program open house for Deepavali 24October but not Eidulfitri.

    Then how on earth is Gerakan going to gain Malay votes next GE? Penang still has
    lots % Malays votes. (Malay population in Penang at 41%). Have the Penang Chief Gerakan forgotten this?

    Already Gerakan is viewed a racist party intricatingly hand-in-hand in Umno Penang
    in the crusade called “development” past four decades, pushing the Malay Indians poors
    to the brink.

    Dont Gerakan want to change such stigmatism
    & true-facts actially that led the Malays swung the votes to DAP? Clearly shown in Bukit Bendera, Penang and other parts of Penang
    in GE2008.

    So will Gerakan place its candidate next GE at Bukit Bendera? or MCA?

    Is re-branding Gerakan by KTK last meant like this? Is Gerakan’s multiracial concept means skewed to Chinese and some Indians, minus Malays? How to vote Gerakan this way?

    What is the purpose of BN coordinator set up by Gerakan Penang? To become “mouse watch”?

    If Gerakan Penang wants to win next GE,
    please start good relations with the Malays seriously, change tis out dated approach.

    This current Penang State Chief looks they
    want to continue their crusade the same as
    prior GE2008, making the party a lame duck pending “sembelih”…again.

    If this crusade continues, its better for
    Gerakan leave BN now, die outside BN
    with dignity and not die within BN with old themed crusade and dragged by UMNO’s unable to change.

    17/10 – UMNO Bukit Bendera Eidulfitri open house.

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  47. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 20:27:53

    klm,

    I like your write up on

    “Lessons from MCA and others”…yup its applies at workplace.

    Thanks.

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  48. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 20:46:07

    Gerakan Watcher,

    That’s why I commented, Umno is master strategist, legally or illegally, morally or immorally. So long it gets results they want.

    Intellectual and critical thinking are what we need. We cannot accept 100% what we see, hear or read. Things can be very deceiving sometime.

    Something to do with big brother,….. still, many still willingly be counted as part of them. That’s what annoyed me.

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  49. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 21:23:03

    Dr. Hsu,

    The article posted by Gerakan Watcher isnt
    one bit surprised to me.

    I supposed the article is ony a thought,
    i think mentioned in the last sentence “..this is food for thought only”

    UMNO since TunM has been orchestrating anything & everything in the holy name of “material & power”. This two elements
    has been embedded and rooted from the
    top of UMNO elites and cascade to its division heads.

    In Penang, when DAP came into the power,
    the first second that clicked UMNO Penang
    top cream of is the fact they must face
    with loosing easy projects from state &
    federal. They dont care one bit the
    average-poor Malays who are UMNO members.

    When 2, 6, 8, 12, 15 months passed by after GE2008, UMNO Penang and its cronies who
    once enjoyed easy contracts & projects prior GE2008 are drying out.

    As at today, many are “dried”.

    In one division, its standard, you may
    have about 20-30 members who have PKK Contractor Class A-F license & being taken
    care to get projects.

    The only survival mode for UMNO Penang in terms of their own economy, materials & power at this moment is to MAYBE START “kissing”
    DAP…eerrr…eerr.. PKR PAS maybe.

    Why? Because other “partners” are weak.
    Gerakan is weak & MCA is messy.

    Therefore, can we believe what Najib said
    in the UMNO General Assembly few days ago?
    haha…Leopards dont change its spots.

    As i said before, sadly, UMNO will never change.

    Its up to the BN components to exit BN &
    leave UMNO alone. Not the other way round, where UMNO leaves BN & marry DAP.
    Nothing is impossible when this group is
    drying up 19months after GE2008.

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  50. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 21:32:45

    Dr. Hsu,

    I like your article “Good people dont last”.

    Good people dont last in GLCs too.

    My experience where PakLah’s nephew only know how to flex power & create slander for as long as he get his RM15K salary.
    He dont know to type and use Words, Excel….
    all he did was kiss my ex-EC’s right hand,
    carry EC’s shoes here there….RM15K salary, that is rakyat’s money!!

    I dont know when GLCs will ever have
    “amanah” honest business minded efficient accountability Board of Directors & Managing Directors.

    Sigh!!!

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  51. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 21:38:12

    Atila my friend (someone says you are my gf, jokingly ya),

    Apparently, you can read Chinese, syabas. I am proud of you.

    Haha, not all Chinese can read Chinese. It’s ok,….

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  52. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 21:40:08

    A True Malaysian,
    a bit a bit read chinese can lah.
    Not as good as others. Sigh!!!

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  53. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 21:48:19

    Atila,

    Pandai jugak, sikit sikit, lama lama jadi bukit.

    Inilah sikap yang seharusnya ada pada diri kita semua.

    Syabas sekali lagi.

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  54. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 21:54:05

    A True Malaysian,

    You too, another true malaysian.

    I am watching Youtube “Rosmah Perempuan Puaka”…my friend told me to view.
    The relatives speaks in Negeri Sembilan dialect.

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  55. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 22:03:36

    Atila and all,

    I wish to tell my friends here that recently, I engage a very meaningful debate with a guy name ‘Jebat Malaya’ in Teresa Kok’s blog.

    The debate is in Malay. The point I wish to put across here is that, even if the other party does not agree with what we comment, so long as the language that we use are in civil manner, the other party will do likewise. After all, what we want to achieve her, in our small ways, is to make Malaysia a promising place for all of us. Why quarrel unnecessarily?

    You all can read for yourselves here

    http://teresakok.com/2009/09/29/cawangan-ahli-melayu-kedua-ditubuhkan-di-ampang-dalam-majlis-sambutan-aidilfitri-kebangsaan-dap/comment-page-2/#comment-5493

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  56. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 22:21:07

    A True Malaysia,

    Yes I have read Jebat Malaya.

    Heicould have been moulded by UMNO –
    “Melayu adalah Islam”.

    This is certainly deviating frm what Quran
    said that Islam is for all. Never any verse in Quran said Islam is for Malays.

    He fears Constitution can be changed.
    He forgot what if Malaysia to be invaded
    like Iraq, everything changed!

    Nothing in this world “kekal”, “kekal” milik Allahswt.

    I sympathize with him.

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  57. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 22:28:41

    Atila,

    I have replied to Jebat Malaya’s last comment, but since Teresa’s blog is on moderation mode all the time, you still not able to read it. For the benefit of all, I reproduce here before the owner even approved it,

    A true Malaysian
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Jebat Malaya,

    Tiada sesiapapun yang mengganggu gugat agama, bangsa dan negara kita (bukan anda punya saja). Kalau anda sentiasa waspada, bukan itu syak wasangka, apa lagi?

    Apa salahnya kesamarataan? Bukan itu ajaran Islam kita?

    Apa salahnya menjual arak? Kalau umat Islam yang mahu minum arak, itu kerana dia orang tak kukuh iman, buat apa salahkan orang yang menjual arak? Saya sendiri tidak minum arak walaupun kedai menjual arak ada berdekatan rumah saya.

    Walaupun begitu, saya amat gembira anda kata,”Semestinya boleh.. kita tak sependapat tp sy tetap rakyat Msia yg wajib menghormati bangsa lain.. selagi ia tidak mnganggu gugat agama, bangsa dan negara sy”. Tetapi, lebih elok kalau anda tukar “sy” kepada “kita”, lebih bermakna, bukan?

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  58. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 22:40:03

    A True Malaysian,

    Good reply.

    Example : Brunei is an Islamic country,
    sells liquor and non-Muslims can enjoy liquor “dalam keadaan tertutup”.

    This is how to start be Islamic country with % non-Muslims (buat betul2 jangan discriminate agama lain, Hassan Ali must learn facts),
    think also for the non-Muslims. Unless the population is 100% Muslims, then can harram liquor 100%.

    Malaysia should long ago enforce hukuman arak to Muslims instead the law “sitting there” like in Selangor’s case, the law was “sitting there” from during Khir Toyo’s era.

    UMNO like i said, orchestrate for its own benefits.

    Jebar Malaya is a young chap age not exceeding 35.

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  59. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 22:53:18

    Atila,

    You know this Jebat Malaya? Is he an Umno member?

    It is good we can engage with Umno this way, and benefit both sides. Only then, we can be out of our own “tempurung”.

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  60. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 23:03:42

    A true Malaysian,

    He a typical Umno member you find in all divisions.

    Not easy to change their mind set.
    No harm trying.

    To these people , malay agenda top, islam second. Quran didnt say that. Umno always change whats in the Quran to suite them.

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  61. klm
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 23:16:02

    Atila. Thanks. Dont say I teach you to be bad. Or cilipadi will say I am immoral.

    Here are more to Lessons from MCA and others.

    ….

    5. Have spies everywhere to listen to your subordinates and enemies plotting. Make the wall have ears. This is your early warning system. Strike at them before they strike at you

    6. Subvert the supporters of your subordinates and enemies. Secretly, get them to switch allegiance to you . Get them to spy for you. Get them to subvert these people.

    7. When you strike, strike quickly. hard and strong. Brutality prevents others from trying.

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  62. A true Malaysian
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 23:16:53

    Atila,

    Not easy but I still want to try. Never try never know. This is my attitude and philosophy.

    If still not successful after trying, at least I know I try my best and no regret. But, ultimately, they will somehow realise the good of points put through. After all, they are also human being, not immortals. A bit of change if still worth my efforts.

    There’s will, there’s way…..

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  63. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 23:26:42

    A true Malaysia,

    Yup! Thats the spirit.

    I too a Muslim Malay having tough time with
    UMNO hardcores coincidentally UMNO members are majority Malays.

    Most of them “speak two-tougue” now after
    Najib launched 1Malaysia without realising
    becoz the top teaches them so.
    The truth is they are still a racial inclined party,
    Malay agenda comes first.

    As i m not rich to leave the country, i must
    do the best i could here. Life is short.

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  64. Atila
    Oct 15, 2009 @ 23:33:00

    klm,

    I like the 3 additionals. Its not immoral.
    When one on corporate ladder and even a politican, this is what most people do to survive.

    Since i m a Muslim, I belief for as long as we do it right and not against God. Otherwise, got to answer six feet down there..haha!!

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  65. A true Malaysian
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 00:09:56

    Atila,

    Definition of a Malay in the Federal Constitution has great impact on Malay themselves, politically, in religion & belief, as well as socio-economy.

    The impact is great. Maybe I should touch on it some other days.

    The impact, in fact, began from “anyone can be a Malay” in Malaysia. I read it somewhere.

    Open mind is needed to debate on this subject. If Dr. Hsu is willing to have this topic for discussion, I may elaborate more then. It is beneficial for all, “think and look out of the box”.

    Don’t ever give up on our Umno friends there. They are not the ones at fault, system is. Faulty system is the cause of making us “stereotype”.

    My pleasure to know you, Atila. Cheers.

    I don’t regard you a Malay, but “A true Malaysian” to me.

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  66. frank
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 00:10:58

    The 1-Malaysia can only see its true light we have many Atila at the helm of educational institutions to preach and rectify the many bigoted souls, the proper and saintly religious teachings can thence be achieved with its intrinsic value.

    Umno den is still consisting of many of those secluded thinking and it has been attested during the youth wing convention recently, when the flip flop Khairy stood high to dictate his grandiose sermon on the mount that – the Malay besiege mentality – has to be erased from their minds, and was mildly responded by the gag!

    Seems like all those 1-Malaysia or what not is only the very cheap catch phrase used to lure the rakyat into a daylight dream or sort!

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  67. stevent
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 00:58:58

    The only Muslims that don’t drink ‘arak’ are poor Muslims. All around the world you see people of all faith drinking beers and such. Even there are pictures of our UMNO leaders enjoying these beverages. In the Arab nations, sheikhs and such spent tens of thousands of dollars buying expensive liquors.
    We should stop being hypocritical on this issue and many others. Rather we should support equal civil rights for all regardless of race and religion. If we choose to be selective, then we cannot expect others to be fair to us in their judgments.

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  68. Atila
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 01:03:53

    A true Malaysian & frank,

    The more KJ opens his mouth, the more damaged he creates for UMNO.

    Me as rakyat, i cannot deny my roots.
    We must never be ashamed of our roots.

    Mine dated way back even those days Malaysia was called Tanah Melayu & Indonesia was
    under Dutch.

    My ancestors rooted from West, migrated to this region married Muslim Malay (Javanese decendent) resided in this island called
    Penang today.

    On certain moons, my great great grandpa
    would travel back in “sampan” to Java to fight bow & arrows with the Dutch. I share this part of the history with some of my Malay friends here where they too had their great grandparents commuting to Java, fought the Dutch.

    I was brought up to understand that Islam
    is for all. Malay is a race within this
    “Malay Archipelago” where initially practised annisme, then came hinduism, buddism, islam, christianity, etc.

    From young, i viewed the Malay definition in our
    Constitution as “handicapped” in some ways.

    At 13, I argued with teachers the “Malay” definition. I cannot understand why a charcoal black indian female (sorry, only physical description) in my classroom was designated “Melayu”, just becoz she was a Muslim.

    UMNO taught Malaysians to lie & ignore his/her real roots. Bad.

    When i was studying abroad (USA), the university forms, there are boxes to
    designated my origin, normally it would be – international student, Origin : Asia, Country : Malaysia, Race : Malay, Religion : Islam.

    I m definitely not Oriental Chinese!! Unless Malaysian Constitution allows me to be a Chinese.

    I wish the Malay definition is more refined, maybe my struggle may take more than
    my lifetime to materialiaze.

    We are all Malaysians, we must not be ashamed of our roots and race and religion.

    Being Malaysians, our race identification
    is important becoz we must preserve our cultures & traditions (Malaysia Truly Asia) &
    for records purposes & all the way to
    “bilik mayat”, where to bury.

    As you see now, one race in Penang is
    blending itself with the Malays, borrow our culture, borrow our tradition, borrow our name “melayu” but retaining their original identity in their associations, taking advantage
    of NEP….

    What to make a guess?

    IMalaysia is a hoax altogether when the
    problem at root is never corrected.

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  69. Atila
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 01:16:56

    Stevent

    Are only Malays and rich drinking”arak”?

    The poor Malays drink arak too, “arak bukit” in the plactic cost about RM3.00 or “arak made from “air-tapai” fermented more days.

    All races and religion worldwide drink
    “arak”, some choose not to and some wants to.

    When one is a Muslim, he/she knows arak is forbidden, it is up to her/him to drink in public/not public depending which country he/she is.

    “sendiri minum, sendiri tanggung di dunia dan akhirat”.

    Islam have its own set of laws for those
    Muslims who drink “arak”. So, non-Muslims
    are to respect this laws and not force Muslims under the crusade called “human rights” to legalize Muslims to drink “arak”.

    Again, we have UMNO to change Islamic
    Law to suit its needs. Sins of UMNO.

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  70. Atila
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 01:24:20

    A True Malaysian

    Kinda kool DAP has a branch with Malay members. DAP is going 1Malaysia, UMNO cant make its party multiracial…eerr eerr how?

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  71. frank
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 01:40:19

    Atila,

    My wild guess is ‘the black charcoal’ right?

    Many nasi kandar shops now are operating by these ‘borrowers of name’ and truly, they thought they are smart in exploiting the NEP benefits of loaning not only the name ‘Bumi’ status but also, financing from Bank Islam or sort to expand their business. Hence you can see their shops are posh.

    I have to admit that they are smart to take advantage of the special privileges, though their genes belong to otherwise, they are given the privileges and their business fully financed by loans supposedly to be enjoyed by the real beneficiary! All that because of their convert to Muslim, and a Bin in between name instead of A/L.
    Also, they have to become Umno stooges due to horse trading of benefits!

    You are right, 1-Malaysia is a hoax altogether. And i call it a cheap serenade to smoodge the voters for votes, those sorry to say, the gullible ones!

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  72. Atila
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 01:58:27

    frank,

    ye…you got the answer rite.

    UMNO Penang wipes out Malay identity slowly but retain this “black charcoal” next door Little India. UMNO Penang, are they not 90% “black charcoal” too?

    I m not racist here but this “tribe” has agenda above 1Malaysia.

    Have you seen 1Malaysia website, http://www.1malaysia.com.my/

    539 response in Msian Budget?

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  73. klm
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 14:37:43

    I am in an evil mood. I hope these lessons will spawn a generation of evil politicians.

    Lessons From MCA and others – Survive as No.2 and live to take over.
    =================================

    1. The No.2 is constantly under suspicion of being a traitor to the No. 1

    2. No. 2 must always put on a cherubic face – saintly, wise and constantly singing the praise of No.1

    3. No.2 must constantly plot to overthrow No. 1. This is the main job of being No. 2

    4. Use surrogates that cannot be traced back to you. There is such a thing called Social Network Analysis. This technology can analyse telephone calls, bank transactions, Facebooks etc to determine relationships many degrees away. Be extremely careful

    5. Undermine the support of No.1. Subvert his supporters to your side. There is such a thing as your enemy’s enemies are your friends

    6. Have spies and other means to listen in to No. !

    – get early warning if and he decide to strike at you

    – learn of No. 1 decisions so that you can sing praise of his wise decisions even before he announced them.

    7. You only have one chance to strike at No.1 Chose your time and place. Patience is a virtue.
    When you strike, make sure there are no prisoners.

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  74. Dr Hsu
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 18:35:41

    klm,
    You have got it.. If you are in politics, I am sure no one can harm you since you can read through their games.

    This is the actual situation in most of the parties..

    That is why MM changed 3 deputies before settling down on one whom he thought be a yes man to him..

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  75. klm
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 20:27:25

    Dr Hsu. I did not invent these rules. They are a mix of things from Mahatir, Samy Vellu, Anwar Ibrahim, CSL and Liow Tiong Lai (Even if he wasnt no 2 yet).

    Have you heard that Anwar (when he was DPM) had a listening device put into the PM office. Everytime Mahatir talked about a new idea, Anwar would always sokong and said the things that Mahatir was saying in his room. That was where 6b came from. I heard this from someone who was involved in tracing the electronic bug.

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  76. klm
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 20:29:24

    And the problem Anwar and LTL did not follow rule 7.

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  77. Atila
    Oct 16, 2009 @ 22:50:20

    klm,

    Yes, Anwar did not strike rule 7…. silently.

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  78. Justin Choo
    Oct 21, 2009 @ 18:10:26

    Dr Hsu,

    I took the liberty to quote one of your passages in my posting today. Hope youy don’t mind.
    “Even in the setting up of ICAC in Hong Kong, during the initial phase, ……., corruption disappears.”

    You can view my post here:

    http://blackandwhite999.blogspot.com/2009/10/cancer-of-corruption.html

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  79. Dr Hsu
    Oct 22, 2009 @ 11:29:14

    Justin
    This is an open blog, feel free to quote anything..

    I must thank you for letting more people read the passage, and that is the aim of speaking out, to let the message to go to as far as poosible.

    Cheers!

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