A lengthy comment on my stand

28 Dec 2009 30 Comments

by Dr Hsu in Gerakan, Malaysia, politics, social economic

Instead of a post toady, I have written a lengthy reply to some readers on my stand. Please read the comment https://hsudarren.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/merrry-xmas/#comments

30 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Richard Loh
    Dec 28, 2009 @ 17:18:32

    Dr. Hsu,

    My apology if any of my comment had the tone of bashing you. Whatever other may say, I still support you and your blog.

    Each and everyone has different thoughts and ways of wanting change. People may misunderstood the way you present for change and that is “why are you still inside when you are talking about change”, just the same as Tengku Razaleigh way of writing in his blog.

    I hope you are not serious of giving up on your socio political blogging. After reading your reply at the last posting, I guess many would support you to continue on with your style of writing for change.

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  2. Meng
    Dec 28, 2009 @ 23:04:22

    Dr Hsu relax..Stand your ground. You get a few bashing now and then ..so what. What you write/wrote created ripples for both sides..your messages are getting through to readers. You should be proud of creating that ripples.

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  3. observant
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 01:36:37

    …..this blog is a result of your noblest enterprise, a gift from you where good ideas flow and a great avenue for us common people to voice out our like or disliked opinions, thoughts and at times bullshits.

    Cast out all sorrowful thoughts and continue blogging for we need a sober and dedicated person to give us an alternate viewpoint.

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  4. romerz
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 04:38:45

    Dr Hsu,

    I’m somewhat saddened by the way things have deteriorated between you and me. (All of my own doing if I may add – I started the salvos first) for you are too good a person to attack me personally despite your frustrations at your party!

    I am a bastard and have no such qualms attacking you when the opportunity arises!

    You know I will not lie no matter how angry I get at your kind.

    Playing petty politics in Penang when Penangites rejected Gerakan TOTALLY!!! Gerakan s DEAD, DEAD, DEAD in Penang! Give up the BN chairmanship to UMNO!

    Apologies to you are needed here but they are becoming more and more difficult to offer as the clock ticks by.

    Dr Hsu, I’m drawing the battle lines because time does not allow it if we are not to become a failed nation!. We are already failing right now if whom you are associated with cannot understand what it is that Malaysia needs!

    Whilst your post touched me somewhat, I CANNOT reconcile the fact that the ills of our beloved country is brought upon by racist and corrupt UMNO!

    Like you, I’m not part of the solution either BUT I’m determined not to be part of the problem either!

    Don’t you realize that being part of UMNO/BN only lends legitimacy to the racist bastards? BEING PART of the problem by ASSOCIATION?

    I know you to be a good man but so long as you remain within Gerakan who will not leave UMNO/BN, you are exacerbating the situation!

    UMNO/BN can only survive because of MCA, MIC, Gerakan and all the others! You and I know that.

    We both want to say it but you dare not, because of your loyalties to Gerakan who in turn is subservient to UMNO.

    THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A REVOLUTION!

    Sorry for taking it out on you but the reality is I wasted 22 years of friendship with a USELESS eunuch! I gave 10 years of my life serving him and his PONDAN ways!!!

    Dr Hsu, there comes a time in our lives when we have to do what we have to do, friendships notwithstanding.

    I would rather live out the rest of my days confronting you and Gerakan than answer my descendants when I cannot answer them when they ask “grandpa what did you do apart from blogging?”

    “Did you walk the talk?”

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  5. Dr Hsu
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 10:45:23

    romerz,
    if someone asked me that, I will answer, “Yes, I tried to do my best to bring a component party out, and if I am successful, it would mean the beginning of the disintegration of BN, a sort of beginning of the end. I may or may not succeed , but at least I tried and I did my best, given my lack of mobility and time, and lack of money and other resources to mobilise a bigger movement. By trying to ply a component away from BN, I do not think I am part of the problem , as you have labelled me to be..

    Within the component party itself, I did what I could to voice out and pressure the leaders to voice out. I spent my time attending meetings, giving speeches to talk about the ills facing our country, to encourage members to be more vocal. My few NDC speeches had been a catalyst for more members to hit out at BN policies, and I have set an example to other delegates to speak without fear and favour. All these may be small and insignificant initially, but do not discount the snowballing effects.

    To change something takes a long time. To see a tree grow to full size takes year and decades. yes, I may not have been a revolutionary or a rebel, but in my own way, I believe I have sown some seeds within the party and these seeds may yet grow to become small plants and trees. These seeds may of course die, no one knows what the future will be.. But at least I can tell my children ” I tried and I tried my best when I could have sat back and just relax .

    Within KL and my division, I have set an example of rejecting titles , and I could have been a candidate for MP in KL the last round but I rejected .

    All these are minor things but they are seeds that hopefully can grow to become a bigger tree.

    I have been offered a few years ago from a suburban clinic in Melbourne to work there for A300,000 a year ( I still have the letter of offer). When I completed my master of medicine in Occupational medicine with a distinction in my desertation many years ago, I was offered to work as a lecturer in Western Australia which I had turned down.

    I could have emigrated and let my children enjoy the free education being offered overseas and thereby save myself of footing an astronomical amount of money to educate my 4 children in medicine. But I believe in being an honest and loyal person earning an honest living in my own homeland and so what I have to spend every single cent I earn to educate my children; after all I cannot bring all my belongings to the next world.

    I would proudly tell my grandchildren ” yes, grandpa is an insignificant small person, but I have tried my best to chip in my little bit to try to change the culture… ”

    I am not you, I do not think like you, I do not act like you.. I can only act in my own way and in ways that I thought would be best.

    Going by your principles and standards, if you don’t like the leaders, then you have to leave the party, irrespective of the party’s ideology, then perhaps you should seriously consider leaving Malaysia for another country with better governance. If your answer is ” why should I leave Malaysia because of just some bad leaders, this is my country, and I can stay back to effect a change and get them to practise what is in our Constitution” (That is inn effect what you are doing when you are not emigrating since you have the means to do so), then I can also answer to you on the same basis ” why should I leave Gerakan just because of some leaders who have hijacked the ideology? As long as the ideology is right , why should I leave since this is my party?, I will remain to fight to get the party back to its ideology..Just like you and I remaining in Malaysia to fight to get back our Constitutional rights. The party does not belong to a few leaders, just like the country does not belong to the ruling class alone. If the policies of the country are no good, we wait till the next election to vote for those whom we think maybe better; inside the party , if we think the direction adopted is wrong, we will wait till the next election to vote the other way too.. the same principles should apply albeit in a different scale, and that is my belief, which maybe different from your belief, since I have said I am not you and I do not think like you.

    Don’t ask me to be a revolutionary; I have told you I am not . I have also never been personal and I have never uttered a four letter word in my life. That is me, and you cannot change me, even if you put a noose around my neck. I belong to the class of ‘fools’ that are obstinate and would die even for my own belief and cause.

    I am just a small person but in my own way, i can proudly say that I walk the talk..

    Remember, I remain in the party to fight whatever bad governance they are practising, not in the party to go along with the currents.. You may have picked the wrong person for the woes of Gerakan.

    I cannot stop you for attacking me even though that would mean to me a form of double standard, since you did not go away from Malaysia even when you hated the policies and the ruling leaders. You have the freedom to do so. I have the freedom to wither reply or not to reply.. Let the people out there be the judge.

    I will continue to try to move Gerakan out of BN, even thought it maybe futile, but at least I can go to my grave saying that I have tried my best!

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  6. Garf1eld
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 13:53:12

    Just syok syok browsing around ppl’s blog. So just to say hi and let you know I got come here before. 😛

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  7. klm
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 16:03:39

    Dr. Hsu. I read your response to romerz. I do not want to comment on argument. But what I want to say is that you have tremendous potential which is wasted here because it is not utilised. You could have make big contribution to mankind in the right environment. It is such a big waste of good talent.

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  8. A true Malaysian
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 16:55:42

    If one can spread seeds with hope on fertile ground, why spread on hopeless infertile ground?

    To many of us, who are not political party members, Gerakan is “infertile”.

    It is still your choice to remain with this infertile ground, as you are not really bothered with the ultimate results, but, many of us do, Dr. Hsu.

    Your thinking will be more receptive to wider spectrum if you are out of this infertile Gerakan. Don’t get me wrong, “fertile” ground here means platform other than BN, political parties or otherwise.

    Still, I respect you choice. Your thoughts definitely are revolution by themselves to create matured rational thinking politicians. I don’t see this in Gerakan and its big brother.

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  9. Eyes Wide Open
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 17:03:02

    Dr Hsu

    I read your blog quietly and I don’t think I have ever commented here. but I share your frustrations as a blogger trying to change the mindset of people. You have an advantage over me as someone who has some social standing, influence and a wide readership.

    I have none of these, but I have still not given up. So please don’t give up your work.

    We need more voices speaking up to show our nation’s “emperors” how naked they really are so that they will get up and leave. and THEN we will need voices to tell the new “emperors” they better do a good job or get lost.

    Given the endemic corruption among politicians of all stripes and parties, the ONLY way forward is through citizen vigilance.

    Only with strong citizen voices of conscience will we be able to move forward again from this mire we’re in.

    Perhaps you should get in touch with the Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia initiative – it’s a non-partisan movement striving to bring about citizen’s political awareness and positive change among the grassroots. Your passion and talent may find a fruitful outlet there.

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  10. ahoo
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 18:18:17

    Dr Hsu, many of your articles have gained recognition far and wide and as such your efforts in sharing your thoughts are not in vain. We the small people need more intellectual people out there to highlight all the ills of the god (govt of the day). We who love this beloved nation cannot just sit still and watch this nation sink.

    With like minded people out there, we will do what is necessary to get ourselves out of the syndrome of fear. For we have only one life to live while here on earth, so let us live it to the fullest. By staying on and be counted as a voter during this difficult moment and not throwing in the towel, we are making a clear stand. We will fight the good fight by getting those in authority to know that the people cannot be fooled forever by the spinning via the MSMs.

    To me, you have contributed your thoughts well and I respect your wishes to remain in the party. Just continue to write and let your readers decide what is acceptable to them or not. The choice is clear as we are not on subscription nor tied to a contract and can demand to be serve. If any of us dislike certain articles, just don’t read them. But we are for the greater cause, i.e to change the mind set of people for a better Malaysia. We may not be able to change the direction of the winds but we can certainly adjust our sails to reach our ultimate destination, i.e a just govt.

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  11. A true Malaysian
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 18:20:13

    Frustrations are all over to see our beloved country is “diving” (not heading, by the way) towards Zimbabwe. I can feel this in reading romerz’s comments, and I was once making such comments before.

    For someone like Dr. Hsu, who never utters a word such as “shit”, doesn’t mean he is not frustrated at all, and we will not gain anything throwing our frustrations against him.

    So, just let Dr. Hsu be an “insider” to all of us, or I may say Pakatan Rakyat.

    I try to think some nice words for Gerakan, Umno, MCA, MIC and blaa, blaa, blaa, but I can’t find any, really.

    I hope not to see Dr. Hsu’s future grandchildren asking him, “Ah Kong, why so many people have no hope on Gerakan and yet you choose to be in there?” 😀

    By that time, I hope Malaysia is not another Zimbabwe. Let’s exercise our votes wisely.

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  12. disgusted
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 18:53:44

    There are many people like Dr who stand by their principles, contribute quietly and of course, remaining in the “parasite” parties within BN.

    At least Dr is open with his views and germinate this blog for other views to sprout and grow.

    He is right, not being part of the problem and his voiced solution hardly taken up by those power to be. It’s alright but there are others who listen and ponder and in some ways, encouraged by Dr.

    Leaving Gerakan or not is secondary. It’s easy to tender a resignation letter, no big deal.

    Many within Gerakan and MCA for that matter, have lost their faith and their hearts too. But changing the party while remaining within, is also wishful thinking.

    The bottomline is the “moral” support. If there is none, it’s time to abandon the sinking ship.

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  13. cilipadi
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 20:23:57

    Hahaha, “moral” support?

    Dr. Hsu can trigger Gerakan out of BN, if he resigns with “moral” support from members monk mentioned.

    I doubt there are many, monk.

    I have tons of cilipadi in Malaysia. For my selfish self interest, I hope Dr. Hsu succeeded, hehehehe

    moral makan cili, moral support rasa pedas

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  14. Meng
    Dec 29, 2009 @ 22:44:29

    Dr Hsu I read your reply to romez and I understand your feelings. Based on your principle, You have your right to stay where you are and I see no reason for you to jump ship. Though many may not agree and have become personal to a certain extent.

    There are many types of dissatisfied politicians , to name two, one jump ship or a katak and the other one remains and fight it out within his party. Both have different views and direction they take and should be respected.

    Even if you jump ship you will be attacked by your party members but will be welcomed by the PR supporters. It work both ways.

    We all should not be personal in our views but to attack the policies and its implementation … of the parties concerned. The political issues are the main concern how best to overcome the sickness of this country.

    There are times where an individual can be attacked.. ie when they are corrupted, making wrong decisions etc etc.

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  15. romerz
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 01:39:43

    Dr Hsu,

    Thank you for your response despite my belligerence. At least (I hope) we can remain cordial despite our diverging political views. Not so much on your part but more on my part.

    I have responded to you too in my blog about why I’m so hostile towards supporters of UMNO/BN by association.

    http://romerz.blogspot.com/2009/12/worst-of-2009-for-malaysians-imho.html

    You and I both want a better Malaysia. But so long as UMNO and their race-based policies exist, it cannot happen. You know it and I know it too!

    I know about Gerakan and its non-racial politics but staying within a racist coalition renders that non-racial doctrine impotent if not dangerous!

    Sorry Doc, we are headed for very difficult times and difficult times requires difficult solutions. Let me tell you frankly that I did not start out to doubt you and your good intentions.

    I only started out wanting a better Malaysia like you. Unfortunately for me, I think our country is doomed if we don’t act now no matter how difficult it is.

    Good luck to you Doc and take care. I know you to be a good Malaysian but where I disagree with you is your political loyalty.

    At least we both know where we stand!

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  16. romerz
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 01:41:34

    Meng, I won’t even reply to you unless you read the posting in my blog about why I have become what I am today.

    http://romerz.blogspot.com/2009/12/worst-of-2009-for-malaysians-imho.html

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  17. A true Malaysian
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 09:41:40

    Romerz’s contention that mere presence as a member of parties in BN lend the “legitimacy” of the current “illegitimate” government, irrespective of what that member thinks, is a point to ponder for such members. After all, politics is about “perception” as the saying goes.

    There is another way to prove romerz wrong is, come to next General Election, such members should not vote “blindly” their masters. I see this trend happened during the 308 tsunami (but still not good enough) and bye-elections after that.

    Only then, you guys can prove romerz wrong, and at the same time, prove that you are loyal to your party’s ideology (in this case Gerakan), not to your party.

    If that can happen, then we would see the real 2-party system with matured political mindsets in both side of the divide that favour multiracial politics, meritocracy, equitable policies and transparency.

    The thing is, all of us have to wait for another two years or so to see you guys prove romerz wrong and uncertainty is there in between now and then.

    Perhaps you guys can think it over again and speed up throwing this so-called “illegitimate” out, by abandoning the ship in drove, and stand on the “fertile” land that I was talking about.

    In fact, Dr. Hsu’s approach is not abandoning the ship (ie Gerakan), but take the whole ship out of the infertile land. Realistically, will that happen? That is the question Dr. Hsu and the likes need to ponder about.

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  18. Meng
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 10:41:00

    romez I have read your posting in your blog and know your hatred toward umno as much as I do. Similarly I also believe Dr Hsu also has grievances and hatred towards umno’s policies and also dislike the way Gerakan support for umno and not speaking up when they should. Dr Hsu have on numerous occassions spoken up within his party and how and what direction Gerakan should take. Don’t you think he is also fighting for the rights of malaysian.

    Being a member of Gerakan and within Bn he is seen as a thorn often exposing their wrong doings. Don’t you think he is doing a big job. He has his principle and the liking for Gerakan original stand. I should take off my hat to him..how many are like him in Gerakan and other component parties..mca,mic, PPP. I just can’t find one who is as sincere as Dr Hsu. I am not apple polishing but see it in the manner how one fights to get the organization on the right track. I believe his fight will go on until such time he is not wanted in the party or sacked. He is not after position MPs or Aduns…

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  19. Dr Hsu
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 11:42:59

    Meng,
    Although I do not know you, I thought you have understood my position very well, and i thank you for your understanding and for speaking up for my stand.

    I have said many times I could have a much easier time if I just quit and concentrate on blogging, just like many people just emigrate and do not have to live under tyranny.. But if everyone is taking the easy way out, who is there to fight for those who have no means to fight the tyrants. The upper and middle echelon can emigrate, but whatever those poor people who have no means to move away from this country , and at the same time do not have the means to voice out.It is same in a country; it is same inside an organisation… Just the difference in scale.

    Many times that I have blogged and spoken against the party stand and leadership, and I thought i would be given a show couase letter but somehow the leadership has tolerated me and my writings. Most of the writings in Malaysian Insiders are being circulated among members, many of them are very sincere Malaysians wanting change for the better, and joined because of our ideology.

    My shortcoming is perhaps my not willing to become a politician, and go full time to organise a revott and rebellion within the party. But look at the history of those who rebelled agiasnt leaders, both in BN component parties and even oppostion like DAPs, those who organised a rebellion would never succeed. It would be better to try to change the culture by writings and talking to influence the mindsets. After all, pen is mightier than sword.

    Look at the revolutions of the world. You first have intellectuals writing and promoting change, then only leaders will emerge from the masses to lead the revolution. Karl Marx is one example.Sun Yat Sen is another example. You first have people writing and voicing out promoting change in the latter parts of Qing Dynasty, and then even the emperor was influenced (Guang Shue) and tried to rebel against empress Dowager. He was of course poisoned and died. Then came the 10 attempts at overthrowing the Qing, and at the final attempt in Wu Chang, on 10th October 1911, the revolutionaries succeeded, not because of their own strength but because many in the imperial army too had wanted change, because of the influence of the intellectuals creating a mindset change. Without the some of the generals in the imperial army siding with the rebels, the revolution promoted by Sun Yat Sen would never succeed… But even then, some of these generals became war lords and it took the country many decades and a war against the Japanese and a civil war to finally lead to a complete revolution.

    Mindset changes take time, but the seeds sown will grow one day. In Gerakan, at this stage, there is a general feeling of despair and dismay at the way things are going. What I have pointed out in my many writings have served as a catalyst for discussion and debate. Hopefully, one leader will emerge and organise these disgruntled members and make this a movement of change. At my age, in the second halves of 50s, and not being ruthless and cunning enough, I do not think I can organsie and lead such a movement for change..I can only sow the seeds and wait for the seeds to take roots and grow. But as I have mentioned before, both in and outside the party, if Gerakan opts out of BN, I am willing to quit my practice and go full time organising the party as a potent third force.

    BUt if people like romerz want to attack me because of my trying to get the party to join their cause, then it is illogical. It is like lumping all Germans as Nazis during the second world war, even those who were opposed to Nazis .. It was just not logical. Many Germans fled the country after the ascension of HItler, but many remained inside Geramany were opposed to Nazis. That was why the need for secret police Gestapo to round up these opponents. They plotted and even though they failed, they had at least tried. The July 1944 plot failed but inflicted a psychological wound in HItler which he never recovered, indirectly influencing him to make so many bad decisions on both the Eastern and Western Fronts. The bad decisions he made helped to shorten the war, and helped to save thousands of lives because had the war prolonged, many innocent people would die since atomic bombs would then had to be use in the latter part of 1945.

    Every action opposing tyranny, however small, would add up and would eventually lead to change.

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  20. romerz
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 11:51:56

    Nazism took foot in Germany because good men did nothing at the onset of Hitler’s rise!

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  21. Kenny Gan
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 11:52:03

    Dear Dr. Hsu,

    I feel your frustration and it stems mainly from being criticized for remaining in Gerakan.

    But if you feel what you’re doing is right then continue to do so. There will be bouquets and brickbats no matter what you do. Being attacked and praised is part of blogging. You have not made any impact if you have not aroused any emotion.

    I have read your reply to romerz and my opinion is that equating your stand to remain in Gerakan with his stand not to emigrate isn’t a fair comparison. I’m sure you’ll agree that leaving your homeland for good means far bigger changes to one’s life than leaving a political party.

    But then again, this is my personal opinion, not an attack on you. Stay well and be strong. Change will come from people like you.

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  22. A true Malaysian
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 12:48:40

    If I am a DAP member (in actual fact, I am not), and Dr. Hsu is a Gerakan member, but both of us are having the same ideology and ideals. That is what I want to see in time to come in the real 2-party system.

    In parliament, if my proposal is good, Dr. Hsu will give me his vote, and vice-versa.

    Most of you may think this is a crazy thinking and that is why romerz’s contention that mere presence in Dr. Hsu in Gerakan is lending “legitimacy” to Umno. In perception, as what many Malaysians see this, romerz is right, but he is wrong if both PR and BN can be the real 2-party system and I was talking about.

    Everyone here is hoping Dr. Hsu will succeed in planting seeds in Gerakan, and ultimately takes Gerakan out of BN and becomes the third force. Then, that will be fine. By then, Umno / BN will be fading away as the 2nd force due to its own doing, and Gerakan maybe elevated to 2nd force.

    But again, Gerakan being the 3rd force may spoil the soup here, as votes will split and the biggest one to gain is Umno. This will be the likely scenario and if this happens, then Malaysia is back to square one. Malaysia will become another Zimbabwe in no time.

    My stand is more slanted to romerz at the present moment as Malaysia cannot take the risk of splitting votes in the next GE. Let us together strengthen the PR force so to stop the dive to Zimbabwe.

    Dr. Hsu is a thinker, a philosopher to me. His thinking will change many people’s mindsets (including those in Umno / BN). His influence will be even greater if he is out of Gerakan / BN. That summed up what’s my stand.

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  23. Dr Hsu
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 14:26:24

    Nazism took root because no good man opposed Hitler , agreed..

    Mahathirism has taken roots for so many years.. Where were the good men?

    So at this stage, the situation should compare with Nazi Germany when Hitler had ruled for many years, and not to those years when Hitler was on the rise.

    We all are to be blame of course when in the 80s and 90s , we did nothing. Just like the good germans did nothing in the early 30s.

    But once Germany was at war with others, there were many who were opposed to Hitler’s war against bith East and West, and these people were Germans.. Do you lump these Germans as Nazis too?

    Do you lump all Malysians as supporters of Mahathirism too? AT least, in the 80s I voted for DAP.

    It is just not logical to lump all those fighting the tyrants within the component parties as tyrants themselves… Why not go to the blogs of Che det, PM, OKT, to start a war there?

    It smacks of double standard to me…

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  24. Dr Hsu
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 15:00:20

    kenny Gan

    As I have said, it is to me only different in scales.

    Being difference in scales, of course you will feel the changes may be bigger.

    But the principles are the same..In nation, the loyalty we owe is to the country, the consitution, the flag, not the government. In parties, the loyalty is to the ideology, the belief, and not to the leadership.

    I am fighitng for a fair and equitable society, until and unless they change the constitution , I shall continue my fight against those who have hijacked the ideology of a fair and equitable society.. Just like in Second World War, many Germans died in the hands of Gestapo because they tried to organise opposition to Nazism, and you dont lump these people as German Nazis..Their aims and aspirations were no different from Germans outside the country who wanted to see Nazism being overthrown..

    To attack me while avoiding attacking the tyrants is equal to killing the resistance within Germany while avoiding fighting the Nazis…I do not even represent Gerakan, I didn’t go along the currents, in fact i was trying to oppose the currents, and even when offered the bureau head of Education bureau ( a powerful position if I wish to go along the currents), I resigned.

    I thought middle ground is about not being too partisan; and being partisan and calling yourself middle ground smacks of hypocrisy.

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  25. klm
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 15:04:23

    Dr. Hsu. Have you seen the recent TV program series called Apocalypse. The pictures were from restored films actually taken in those days and not some Hollywood shoots.

    If you have seen the behavior of the German crowds towards Hitler, I am sure you will agree with me that Germany should be blasted out of existence.

    After seen those pictures, I do not believe Nazism took root because no good man opposed Hitler. It is because no man want to stop Hitler.

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  26. cilipadi
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 15:27:31

    Hitler makan cili, M & N rasa pedas?

    How you read this, all up to you. Malaysians need to stop the rise of H …… Good luck

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  27. Dr Hsu
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 15:49:36

    klm,

    Nazis won only 44% of popular votes in March 5th 1933, even though they were the biggest party then.. Their campaign played on nationalism, the defeat by France and the subsequent loss of land delineated to France…

    Only when Hitler became the Fuhrer, did he engineered and rigged votes and popular votes became 99% in a rigged elections much later.

    You can read all these in : The History Place url: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm

    The scenes you described were much later , after the annexation of first Austria and then Czechoslovakia.. by then he was a dictator and which dictator could not mobilise thousands if not miilions to line the streets.. What i am trying to say is that even during the height of hhis power, there were Germans, including Communist Germans, trying to oppose him..

    And the gist of my message is not to lump all Germans as Nazis, and not to lump all Gerakan members as UMNO supporters..Just as not all Malaysians during the heyday of MM were not supportive of Mahathirism.. In 1995, even Majority of Chinese voted for Mahathir, but you still don’t label all Malaysians as UMNO supporters then.

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  28. A true Malaysian
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 16:31:02

    Dr. Hsu,

    You once said “politics is about perception” or “perception is important in politics”.

    I tend not to agree with this “perception” thing.

    What we see the storm over here in this forum is due to this “perception”.

    “perception” kills, it is an illusion yet it is dangerous.

    You being a member of Gerakan / BN give wrong “perception” to general public, but not to me.

    The thing is, general public’s perception is what important, not mine, as I and you share the same ideology and inspiration.

    It is your blog that inspired me to use the pseudonym “A true Malaysian”. It’s frustrated sometime, but please continue writing concerning socio political issues.

    Cheers

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  29. A true Malaysian
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 18:05:38

    I can’t help but noticed that no Gerakan member comes up in your defence, Dr. Hsu. This speaks volume about its members. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Did you notice it as well?

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  30. 3rd Force
    Dec 30, 2009 @ 19:25:17

    ATM,

    Pls do not worry, it is simple because our dear Dr Hsu have proven clearly and apply exactly the right track for the role of the 3rd force.

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