Condemn the Church attacks

Below is my views on the latest attacks on CHurches, first posted in lmy other blog and I have decided to post it here, since this is about religion and not politics, and politicians should not politicise the issue of religion:

I strongly condemn those who resort to attacking churches, in the wake of the ‘controversy’ in the use of ‘Allah”‘

I would like to remind the people that under Malaysian Federal Constitution Article 3 (1), Islam is the religion of the Federation,  but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.

To resort to attack churches in the wake of the High Court decision is deplorable and is a wanton attack on the freedom of practice of religions which we should all treasure and protect in this multiracial society of ours. The perpetrators must be arrested and charged.

I hope both our Muslim and Christian brothers should remain calm and do not let their emotions overtake their common sense.

I hope politicians would refrain from fanning emotions and instead they should try their best to cool the temperature down and let judicial process run its course, as an appeal against the High Court decision is pending.

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Also an article from the Islamic Society of North America:

ISNA Commends Malaysian Court Ruling that Affirms Religious Freedom of Christians

(Plainfield, IN – January 4, 2010) The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) commends the landmark ruling by a Malaysian Court on December 31, 2009, that affirms the religious freedom of Malaysian Christians. The ruling asserts that Christians have the right to use the word “Allah” to translate “God” into Bahasa Melayu, the Malaysian language. It strikes down a government ban that was placed in 2007 on the use of the term in Christian literature.

The opponents of the use of the word Allah in reference to God have argued that the term “God” is usually translated by Malaysians who follow faiths other than Islam as “Tuhan” in Bahasa Melayu, not “Allah.” They insist that “Allah” should only be used to refer to God in Islam. This argument is contrary to both Islamic understanding and practice.

The Qur’an is quite explicit that Muslims worship the same God recognized by Christians. The Qur’an commands Muslims to declare that the God they worship and the one worshiped by the followers of revealed books, including Christians, is one:  “… and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.” (Qur’an 29:46)

With regards to actual and historical practices, Christian Arabs have been using the word “Allah” to refer to God in their religious sources since the inception of Islam, and have never been challenged by private Muslims or Muslim governments on this ground. Islamic law is clear that followers of the Christian faith have the right to practice their religion according to their own religious teachings.

Malaysia has long been a good example of Islamic tolerance and we call on the Malaysian government to maintain the tradition of tolerance and uphold the religious freedom of Christians and to let the court ruling stand. We also urge Muslim NGOs to respect Islamic teachings and long-held Islamic traditions, and to withdraw their opposition to the use of the word “Allah” by their Christian compatriots..

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Below is posted in Wall Street Journal:

The politics of ‘Allah”

God means love in many places, but in Malaysia it can also mean politics. That’s the takeaway from the United Malays National Organization-led government’s attempt to quash the use of the word “Allah” by non-Muslim groups.

At issue is the Catholic Herald’s two-year court battle to use the A-word in its Malay-language edition—which it claims it needs to do because there’s no other suitable word for “God” in Malay. Last week, the High Court overturned an arbitrary government ban. Yesterday, however, the church agreed to a stay of the decision—at the government’s request—until the ruling can be appealed. So the Herald is once again muzzled.

Attorney-General Abdul Gani Patail characterized the decision as “a matter of national interest,” which implies that somehow Muslims across Malaysia would revolt if the Herald were allowed to reference God in another language. Never mind that Malaysians of many faiths have peacefully co-existed for decades.

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55 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Jong
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 14:07:25

    We knew this would happen, PM Najib and his cousin Home Minister Hishammudddin were fanning the fire of anger the past few days! They should be hauled in and arrested for instigating rowdy protests.

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  2. Meng
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 14:34:08

    Dirty politics at work..real sad for PM to do so.

    1malaysia is all bullshit. Showed najib cannot be trusted.

    Just stupidity fighting for ownership of the word. The whole world is laughing at us.

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  3. Richard Loh
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 15:22:36

    No point crying over spill milk. do what you have to do

    Is Najib A Capable Leader? You Decide Comes The 13th General Election

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  4. penangman
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 17:36:31

    From thestar.com.my (Dr Hsu comment highlighted)
    PUTRAJAYA: Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak has condemned the attacks made on three churches in the Klang Valley but has asked the public not to start pointing fingers at who may have been responsible for the attacks.

    The Prime Minister said he viewed the matter seriously as these actions could jeopardise harmony, adding that the Government would take all possible action to prevent such incident from recurring.

    At the same time, Najib had directed the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan to beef up security and surveillance at places of worship.

    “We must not allow the peace and the understanding that we have among Malaysians of various ethnic backgrounds and faiths be threatened by anyone or any parties.

    Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein and IGP Tan Sri Musa Hassan at a press conference at Bukit Aman on Friday.

    “As I have said before, whatever problems that arise, we must use the right channel and method to solve it. Our action must not be against the law as this can jeapordise harmony,” he told reporters after chairing the fourth Northern Corridor Implementation Authority (NCIA) on Friday.

    Also present were Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin and Chief Secterary to the Government Tan Sri Sidek Hassan.

    Najib also reminded the public not to point fingers on who the perpetrators behind the church attacks were but should allow the authorities to conduct a thorough investigation into the matter.

    “Action will be taken against those responsible based on facts and the law,” he said.

    Asked if there were fears of retaliation due to the incident, the Prime Minister said the authorities must nip the problem in the bud.

    “I hope with statements and action taken by the police, people will not take law into their hands. The IGP will report to me on the incident once there are evidence and new developments,” he added.

    Umno Youth head Khairy Jamaluddin at the Tabernacle Church in Desa Melawati on Friday

    Other public figures have come out to condemn the arson attacks against the two churches.

    Urging all parties to remain calm, they also asked for swift police action to ensure the situation does not get out of control.

    In the meantime, the MCA is offering the Metro Tabernacle Church the use of its hall at Wisma MCA for its services this Sunday, vice-president Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen said.

    The MCA, through its religious bureaus, will find an immediate place for the Metro Tabernacle to relocate, she said.

    “This is the act of a very small group of Malaysians. We need to come together and work against any form of violence.

    MCA vice-president Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen at the Metro Tabernacle Church in Desa Melawati on Friday.

    “Do not leave it to the Government or the police alone; the rakyat (people) must come together and stand up for each other,” she said.

    MCA national youth chairman Datuk Dr Wee Ka Siong also condemned the attacks, saying the movement is saddened.

    “Such despicable acts serve no purposes in bridging differences, and … will ultimately destroy initiatives to help shore up harmony between the various faiths in Malaysia.

    “MCA Youth urges all decent minded Malaysians not to let the mercury rise further, and pray in our own ways, that peace will prevail,” he said in a statement.

    Kedah Gerakan’s youth wing condemned the acts as despicable and shameful, and described the wrongdoers as cowards trying to cause disunity.

    “Our country had came a long way since independence in promoting unity among Malaysians, despite the differences in race and religion.

    “As such, all Malaysians should unite to condemn these cowardly attacks that threaten national unity,” said the wing’s chief Tan Keng Liang.

    “As an act of good faith in condemning the arson attacks, I hope that the Government would consider assisting, including financially, the churches in repairing the damage caused by the despicable act of arson,” he added.

    Gerakan central committee member Dr Hsu Dar Ren described the arson as “a wanton attack on the freedom of practice of religions which we should all treasure and protect in this multiracial society of ours.”

    “I hope politicians on both sides of the divide will refrain from fanning emotions and instead try their best to cool the temperature down and let the judicial process run its course,” he said.

    Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim described the attacks as heinous and said such actions were against the teachings of Islam.

    “Islam teaches its followers to respect the places of worship of other religions. I urge all parties to remain calm. I have full faith that Malaysians will be able to resolve the matter without any conflict,” he said in a statement.

    Selangor Mentri Besar Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim, who was at the Assumption Church, condemned the attack, describing it as a cowardly act.

    “I urge the police to give protection to all churches and conduct a thorough investigation on the attack on the Assumption Church,” he added.

    Khalid also said that he was grateful to the church authorities, who had given their reassurance that they would not react to the arson attack.

    “I appeal to the people in Selangor to refrain from any further such action, which will only cause further trouble for all people,” he added.

    Umno Youth Chief Khairy Jamaluddin said it was a dark day for Malaysia.

    “This is a despicable act. This is not the Malaysia I know,” said Khairy, who visited the Metro Tabernacle Church in Desa Melawait in Kuala Lumpur, which was attacked by arsonists early Friday.

    He urged the police to act swiftly.

    Saying that Barisan Nasional Youth strongly condemned the action, Khairy Jamaluddin added that whatever the feelings of anyone on the issue of the usage of the word “Allah” in the Herald, the irresponsible action of those who destroy places of worship should not be defended by Muslims.

    “If Muslims are responsible for this incident, they should be ashamed and remorseful because clearly Islam advises Muslims to respect other religious beliefs.

    “Malaysia is a multiracial country. There will be arguments and misunderstandings over issues which touch on race and religion.

    “What is important is the people should resolve any problems with maturity and respect for each other’s sensitivity,” he said in a statement.

    Selangor PAS termed the arson attacks as cowardly acts.

    “We view the news of the attacks on churches, including in Selangor, with sadness and regret. Such attacks have never happened in our country and they do not at all reflect our culture, tradition or the religious beliefs of Malaysians.

    “Selangor PAS sympathises with the affected churches and urges all PAS members in the state to remain calm and patient and pray for the safety of all,” its state Information chief Roslan Shahir Mohd Shahir said in a statement.

    The Muslim Professionals Forum described this as “the cowardly and utterly senseless act of a group of misguided, chauvinistic bigots.”

    “This act of arson, committed presumably in the name of Islam, desecrates the very religion it purports to protect. The Holy Quran unequivocally prohibits destroying the houses of worship of all religions, as warned in Surah Al-Hajj, Verse 40,” its board of directors said in a statement.

    “During the reign of Umar ibn Al-Khattab, the second righteous caliph, the religious freedom of the citizens of Ilya (Jerusalem) and the sanctity of their synagogues and places of worship were confirmed, they said.

    Muslim Professionals Forum urged the authorities to immediately conduct an impartial and thorough investigation to identify, apprehend and punish the perpetrators.

    It also urge individuals, organisations and political parties to refrain from further issuing provocative and inflammatory statements related to the high court verdict.

    “We also urge all Malaysians to empathise and stand in solidarity with our Christian community in their hour of grief and need, and urge all peace-loving Malaysians to maintain composure and let cool heads prevail,” they said in their statement.

    Social activist Datin Paduka Marina Mahathir said it was very important for all Muslim Malaysians to condemn the act whole-heartedly.

    “This is not what Islam is about. The leadership must play its role and come out and tell the people not to condemn houses of worship,” she told reporters at the church site.

    Veteran DAP leader Lim Kit Siang said all political party leaders should take a common stand to condemn the attacks.

    They should condemn “in the strongest possible terms the spate of church attacks in the wake of the ‘Allah’ controversy and ensure that there is no further escalation.

    “As Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak should immediately impress on the Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein to take all urgent and necessary measures to protect the good name of the country or be held responsible for any undesirable consequences,” he said.

    Wangsa Maju Member of Parliament Wee Choo Keong said he was very shocked.

    “The Prime Minister and Inspector-General of Police mus take immediate action to protect all places of worship regardless of their religion.

    “We do not want to inflame the present tensions in the country or the country’s unity will be set back many years — this is a test for the Prime Minister and his 1Malaysia vision,” he said.

    In Miri, Sarawak political leaders condemned the attacks as well, callling for the swift restoration of common sense and wisdom to prevent any escalation of violence.

    Senior Iban state leader Datuk Peter Nyarok Entrie said his party, the Sarawak Progressive Democratic Party (SPDP), viewed the arson as an attack against the 1Malaysia concept and an attack against all peace-loving Malaysians.

    “SPDP, a multiracial and multi-religious party that is made up of Muslims and non-Muslims, is shocked and saddened that the dispute over the use of the name ‘Allah’ in the peninsula had erupted into violence,” he said.

    Nyarok, who is deputy president of SPDP, said there was a need to restore calm and order in the Klang Valley.

    Parti Rakyat Sarawak (PRS) president and state Minister Datuk Seri Dr James Masing said the issue should not have been blown out of proportion.

    “Politicians should stay out of this matter and leave it to the religious bodies of the respective religions to sit down and discuss a mutually acceptable way to resolve this,” he said.

    Masing said Sarawak and Sabah do not have such controversies because people of all faiths and races were mature enough to accept each others’ beliefs.

    Assistant state minister Datuk Daud Abdul Rahman, from the Parti Pesaka Bumiputra Bersatu, also stressed the need for common sense to prevail, saying that the state government has always practised tolerance and acceptance when it comes to handling issues of religious and racial nature.

    Keadilan Sarawak chairman Baru Bian said the usage of Allah’s name became blown out of context in the peninsula because of political meddling.

    He said this is a non-issue in Sarawak despite the name being used widely by all religions in the state for so many decades.

    (editor: the link is
    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/1/8/nation/20100108115637&sec=nation . Thanks you Penangman for the tip.)

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  5. disgusted
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 17:57:23

    Just one “word” and some trouble-makers and fanatics create trouble.

    Everybody thought all religions spread goodwill, compassion and harmony. Maybe not all.

    Politics mixing with religion is like mixing kerosene with fire.

    A Bulgarian clairvoyant who predicted the accuracy of Sept 11 (or 9-11) said that fanatics of a particular religion will conquer and sweep Europe in future.

    No prizes for right guessing the religion of the fanatics.

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  6. Richard Loh
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 18:15:40

    http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/political-news/157084-updates-from-shah-alam-state-mosque.html

    Can anyone explain why this Suhaimi Shafie is not arrested yet? Is Najib and IGP serious in taking all possible action to prevent such incident from recurring.?

    Following the ceramah, organisers of the protest hold a press conference outside the mosque. Suhaimi Shafie issued a stern warning to non-Muslims wanting to use the word “Allah”.

    “If you want to use the word ‘Allah’, become a Muslim. We see elements that are threatening Islam.

    “As a Muslim, I am not afraid. Don’t play around. If we don’t get it, we will go to war, we will take action. Don’t mess around with the name of Allah. It’s all in the Federal Constitution,” Suhaimi told reporters.

    A man, who identifies himself as Suhaimi Shafie, addresses the small crowd gathered in a fiery speech, asking supporters not to “berlembut” (go soft) on those who want to go against Islam. Suhaimi also promised “appropriate action” if the court’s decision is “not in favour of islam”, adding that Muslims had been “soft for too long”.

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  7. disgusted
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 20:52:59

    Poltergeist brains, so many around. Now you know why many want to migrate and leave this Motherland. Not just education for their children but so many cuckoo, potential “a-mok(s)” and God knows where they get their brains.

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  8. QGX
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 21:09:15

    Dr Hsu and fellow readers,

    This matter has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion and believers of any religion.

    It doesn’t have much to do with political ideology anymore..

    It is purely driven by SELF-INTERESTS of a few people… ..THEIR SURVIVAL…AT ALL COSTS

    Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Agnostics and All – Let us all resolve to work towards a better Malaysia!

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  9. DG
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 21:44:13

    Dr Hsu, to the Christians this is a test of their faith.

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  10. disgusted
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 23:14:44

    Everybody can condemned such acts but where are the culprits? Are they the same ones doing the cow’s head?

    Get the culprits and expose their political connections. We have CIS? No clue? I thought we claimed to have the best police investigation and detection works?

    Should we bring in Scotland Yard? CIA? FBI?

    Where are the culprits?

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  11. disgusted
    Jan 08, 2010 @ 23:59:05

    Cilipadi,

    You are the most blessed and fortunate one. Why?

    Because you don’t have to be ashamed for having a prime minister who is powerless just about everything.

    Powerless to act because the demo or protest if held within the mosque.

    Powerless against rising crimes and citizens got to set up gated security guards all over the Klang Valley especially in wealthy rich mansions.

    Powerless in getting our economy moving to higher gear.

    Powerless in refusing to pander to his own extremists within his tribal party.

    Powerless in instituting values, morals and ridding corruption.

    Yes powerless and politically impotent.

    Well, except 1Malaysia but now it is: _Malaysia, cos the stick has dropped.

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  12. sptay
    Jan 09, 2010 @ 11:27:44

    …and they all shouted “Crucify him”.

    “Why?” Pilate demanded. “What crime has he committed?”

    But the crowd only roared the louder, “Crucify him.”

    Pilate saw that he wasn’t getting anywhere and that a riot was developing. So he sent for a bowl of water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this man. The responsibility is yours!”

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  13. disgusted
    Jan 09, 2010 @ 16:47:06

    Delusions and delusions……illusions and illusions!

    Fictional conversation in a nightmare:

    “Nothing is affected, 1Malaysia is not affected. Economic growth can still hit 7pc. Tourists are flocking in….ooohhh, 23 million, wonderful.

    “Our trumpets no longer blowing our model role as love-able multi-racialism, but we are buddies buddies, well, except one or two love throwing fire-bombs. Everything IS fine. Those idiots don’t really reflect the majority. Majority are still sane and kicking hard.

    “The demos? We can’t do anything, they are the majority.

    “What about the court decision after appeal?

    “We have a Home, a powerful body can overturn-lah, stay the appeal some more-mah. No worries.

    “Why are you ranting? You should stop talking. Prekuasa can run around like rats making pullice reports for Sadition Action.

    “Well, they can sue mah, these good-for-nothing think the pullice got nothing else to do.

    Everything will be fine, because this is tiger land and this a tiger year and officially a tiger symbol. Just a nightmare.

    We will all WAKE up by 2013. Why 2013?

    Yes, we will wake up but don’t forget the nightmare because 2013, it is time to clean up the house. People’s power better than solar energy.

    But watch out, there will be more dirt and getting dirtier as time goes by.

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  14. Li Li Fa
    Jan 09, 2010 @ 17:31:59

    I believe Islam means Peace.

    Peace and harmony to all mankind. Perhaps Peace is too abstract and fragile to some people to handle. It was thrown out of the window; to be exact Peace was molotoved into spurts of fire which antagonise the people; destroy and mar properties; and change the perception of what people would generally think what peace is.

    Was this fragile Peace broken by a few people and by people who have ulterior motives?

    Where do we go from here? What should we do from now?

    There are calls to respect places of worship. There was calls also to respect ourselves as a human being.
    There are calls to remain calm and not to aggravate the fragile situation.
    There are warnings that God is looking at us from afar.
    There are also calls to fall on our knees to pray for ourselves , fellow citizens , including politicians and the nation.

    In any case, we still need to pray and let our prayers rise up to God in Heaven or Tuhan Di Syurga, from whom real Peace eminates.

    The greatest is love. Love bears all things, hopes all things, endures all things, love never fails.

    Oh God, teach me to love.

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  15. Meng
    Jan 09, 2010 @ 21:59:26

    Anyone wants to bet..if the christain demo within the church compound result water canon and ISA.???

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  16. Amin
    Jan 09, 2010 @ 23:34:43

    That THIS is one of the reasons why I told my son (highly qualified) working with a multi-national bank overseas, that he should not come back to work in Malaysia, inspect of the emotional agonies that I and my wife have to endure such separation from him.

    That I also know that there are countless parents in exactly the same situation as mine.

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  17. Meng
    Jan 10, 2010 @ 01:44:13

    Infact I welcome this incident which is good for PR esp for the east malaysian.

    Will this incident tilt them towards PR.

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  18. Dr Hsu
    Jan 10, 2010 @ 10:46:33

    read this link and watch the video (my good friend sent to me via sms)

    http://bennysia.com/2009/03/ridiculous-ban-on-song-allah-peduli.html

    This song is from Indonesia and Indonesians speak the same language as our people.

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  19. disgusted
    Jan 10, 2010 @ 20:15:11

    Meng, tilting support is one thing but the powers that be will orchestrate more hitting under the belt. You see, losing is not their vision.

    I heard alleged massive re-registration of voters, transferring voters and a possible re-delineation of constituencies. These are just the tip of the iceberg examples of dirty tricks to be played out.

    It is not a “waiting-to-die” for B-end. More tricks, more games, more sly wayang kulit, more lies and more propaganda….whatever to beat off rivals.

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  20. noyawns
    Jan 10, 2010 @ 20:50:05

    Can anybody shed further light on this: it appears that any prohibition on the use of “Allah” by the church will also cause the Kitab Injil (brought in from Indonesia since the Govt disallowed a BM translation of the Bible) to be disallowed in its present form – then how do Sabahans/Sarawakians and youngsters brought up in BM nowadays read their Holy Book? That’s the reason why the church went to court over The Herald’s right to print “Allah”?
    Since Muslims cannot be preached to by Law; how will they become confused by some non-Muslim literatures?
    Just as the Cowhead stompers get away, so will these arsonists and terrorists..next we might have escalation of Taliban-type behaviour to join in with Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan – maybe Malay-tan! The govt should be more careful what Fire Hishamudin, Najib (and KJ in the past) have been playing with! With great poer comes great responsibility – they have power (to make $$) but show us more responsibility and real leadership not sloganeering! Please!

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  21. Meng
    Jan 10, 2010 @ 21:33:29

    OTK asked PR not to point fingers at umno.

    This OTK must have very thick ears… is deaf and blind or was he reading with his eyes closed. It was written in the media clearly that umno supported the demo.

    This is real balls licking.

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  22. frank
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 00:32:04

    Even they do not consider the stupid acts of arson as blasphemous and disrespect to their Almighty Allah by offending the Islamic preaching, they should also consider the many countrymen and diplomats abroad they would want to live with pride and dignity in the overseas land, while holding the Malaysian passport!

    Like it’s now, most foreigners will look at any Malaysian as the real ET or the bangsat who had just come out from the jungle with their behaviours likened the apes!

    They are proving themselves 3 steps backward than the civilized populace and such is a grave disgrace to their Almighty God who made no mistake of any narrow thinking and discrimination but only the lunatic and the most low life followers are!

    1-Malaysia or 1-Malaisai?!

    All the shit scums, and filthy!

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  23. ahoo
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 11:18:25

    Politics with religions are deadly mixed portion ! Any religion without the element of love and forgiveness for others are deadly. Thus, let us all be aware that there are people with evil intentions to use religion as a disguise to hold on to political power at all costs.

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  24. A true Malaysian
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 11:22:59

    “Fanatics” is proper to be labeled on these cowards, not ……

    “Fanatics” to me, is referring to those with wrong ideology, belief or thinking who follow-up with actions that destroyed property and or hurting / killing lives of the innocent.

    The word itself hurts, doesn’t it?

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  25. A true Malaysian
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 11:47:38

    I see all these incidences as the culmination of race and religions politics of Umno / BN. I said before, things will be back-fired on them by their own policies and politics, indeed, you see it now.

    Inspite of both cousins condemning such acts of terror, as long as their “statements” contains smell of ‘race’ and ‘religion’, these cowards will interpret them as ‘blessing’ to do such silly acts.

    The word ‘Home’ doesn’t carry any meaning at all in the Home Ministry. The ‘Home’ is not a home to all. How can in a home having so many standards applicable to the members of the ‘Home’?

    A HOME IS NOT A HOME, better change name to something start with F.

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  26. Meng
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 14:24:03

    If you look at the Home Minister, does he look intelligent?? He looks so bloody stupid and not even a shred of the qualities of a Statemanship. Similarly to the PM too..they are too abrupt in their decision, lacking depth in analytical skills. They should have appreciated the situation before making any donkey statements.

    With their qualities they are only fit to supervise a pasar malam stall..even that they will fail.

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  27. CYC
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 15:08:14

    Najib and Hishamudin’s condemnation of the arson are so gentle that one may mistaken as an arousing loving gossip.

    While the whole world are concentrating on improving economic competitiveness, we channel our energy on this unnecessary conflict. How could we realise 2 party system in the foreseeable future. Perhaps we are retreating to stone age.

    With due respect to those who are learned and have great faith in their religion, religion to me is only a tool to enhance our happiness and moral conduct through the cultivation of spiritual development. Religion by itself is empty but only manifest its brightness to mankind through the attainment of sublime livelihood of its followers.
    Hence, why chase the shadow instead.

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  28. KB
    Jan 11, 2010 @ 15:12:09

    The string of church attacks has the smell of being organized and planned. With Umno ministers fanning sentiments before the attacks and the two “cousins-in-crime” condoning demos at mosques, it is not difficult to guess who is behind them.

    Umno may have jumped on the opportunity to fan public fears and religious polarization in the wake of the court decision. If the public is scared, insecure and split into various racial and religious groups it can only benefit Umno. They may also dream of splitting PR and uniting the Malays by this means.

    However things are not working as planned. The demos at mosques were ill-attended. Christians have not retaliated and Muslims have denounced the attacks. In a defining moment, PAS has supported the use of Allah by non-Muslims. Hadi has visited the burnt church and Anwar has spoken out strongly.

    Umno has ended up with egg on its face while the opposition is making political capital. This is a testament to the maturity of Malaysians that they will not fall for the hate mongering tactics of Umno. Yes, we are moving towards a matured civil society and Umno is doomed.

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  29. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 05:00:52

    NEW WORLD ORDER

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  30. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 05:10:08

    Dr Hsu,

    Understand the agenda of New World Order first.

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  31. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 05:19:06

    Disgusted

    “..A Bulgarian clairvoyant who predicted the accuracy of Sept 11 (or 9-11) said that fanatics of a particular religion will conquer and sweep Europe in future…”

    9-11 was orchestrated by New World Order.
    As a result since then Quran became best
    selling in USA. The rate of Muslims converts rose beyond New World Order expectation, in order words, 9-11 was biggest mistake.

    1431 years ago, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
    in his many prophesies, Islam will conquer the world just before Qiamat.

    Understand what is New World Order.

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  32. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 05:22:16

    Dr. Hsu

    There shall be more New World Order events.
    Who belongs/links to New World Order and who isnt.

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  33. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 09:16:11

    Dr. Hsu

    In this matter where the churches set a blazed,
    there is no need for politicians to fan this
    Allah issue.

    I tell you as at today, majority Muslims in Malaysia is a brewing storm moreso after the church incident. Why?

    It seems the commentors here have so much to say, looked like smart people but the truth
    none goes into the minds of Muslims Malaysians majority.

    Dr. Hsu, think about it. I let you do the reserach.

    I love all your articles all hit jackpot but this one, you have not gone down to the core.

    Even by quoting ISNA, please know what is behind ISNA.

    Thank you.

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  34. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 10:06:46

    Dr. Hsu

    If Muslim Malaysian had wanted to burnt church in Malaysia, they would have done a long, long
    time ago, no need to wait for this Allah issue
    until January 2010. Why?

    I want to share with you…

    Too many a times in the past 15years, I was being “dakwah” by staunch Christians in their hopes i would convert into Christianianity.

    “dakwah” being done by asking me go dinner at the time when i would be busy for my Maghrib prayers, Thursday nites where i go mosque,
    etc.

    Last on 1Syawal 1430, on AidilFitri, I told off
    the person after i tolerated her for seven
    months.

    Last nite after asking my friends (Buddhist & Taoist) in this house, all 10 of them confessed that the person was doing “dakwah” to them as well past 7months, including cooking dinner invited them over to her house and “dakwah”.
    No wonder they 10 avoiding her lately.

    The 10 Buddhist & Taoist girls in this house, never once “dakwah” to me.

    In my entire Life i never encounter “dakwah” from Buddhist and Taoist.

    I grew up in Church kindergarten for 3years with a Protestant Dutch Missionary teacher, had 11years convent school & lived in USA for four years with a Christian Adventist lady (her daugther was translating Bible into Kadazandusun back in 1989) but NONE &
    NOT ONE “dakwah” Christianity to me.

    Only the past 15years, many Muslim Malaysian have this experienced with Christians like I did, moreso today.

    Even my Protestant god-sister was “dakwah” at me in my car last year, i told her off, please have respect for what we Muslims are, dont need to promote Christianity in my car.

    I pride Islam & being a Muslim but I dont blindly “dakwah” Islam unless one asks
    of Islam.

    Why? I hold onto Surah AlKafiruun, to respect other religions.

    Sorry Dr Hsu, me being a Muslim I must tell the truth here what i went tru being a Malaysian in my own country & how one religion cannot refrain itself from not “dakwah”.

    Again, Dr. Hsu please understand what is
    NEW WORLD ORDER.

    Thank you.

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  35. Atila
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 10:50:49

  36. cilipadi
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 11:44:04

    Religions should be studied in ‘open mind’.

    Fanatics study religions in ‘closed mind’. They forgot their minds, as good as no mind then.

    Wisdom is what lacking in them.

    Open mind makan cili, closed mind rasa pedas

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  37. klm
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 12:23:17

    In this dastard affair, one of the loser would have been PAS. By normal logic, its would be the Islam flag waving jihading extremist group. That was what the planners would bang on. Surprise! Surprise! PAS was rational and wise. It did not fall into the trap. In fact it came out smelling like roses. Who can call PAS religious extremist now. When the situation arrives, PAS rose to the occasion. In the end it was UMNO who was painted as the extremist.

    This has big big implication in the next election. The typical MCA and Gerakan trick of painting PAS as extreme is buried for good. Non-muslim will have no qualm whatsoever of voting PAS. MCA and Gerakan will be painted as associated with extremists.

    What a strange turnaround. Se Gerakana and Koh Tsu Koon, beware.

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  38. Dr Hsu
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 13:49:42

    sorry,very busy these 2 days so some of the commets were moderated slow. Apologies.
    …………….

    Atila,
    thank you for letting us know show some of the Muslims view these.
    Cheers!

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  39. klm
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 14:19:39

    I think Najib made a mistake by giving the church that was burnt that much money. It is a born again church. The born again are the one that go round and say if you are Buddhist, etc etc you will burn in hell. They are the taliban of Christian.

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  40. disgusted
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 15:29:19

    Meng, you hit the jackpot again. You and many know that Superman has antagonized and show disrespect by seeing the doctor to avoid the top UMNO brass.

    So what more appropriate time now to win them back their goodwill by balls-licking. He has done that many times, nothing new. In fact, all Money Collecting Agents are born natural balls-licker.

    These agents had condemned PAS before but looks like they are willing to side the extremists.

    Kim is correct in his perceptions, the most chaotic association will be buried for sure, not the “tipping” point but the “avalanche landslide” point.

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  41. A true Malaysian
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 16:05:19

    Atila has brought up a good point in attempts to convert people of other faiths to Christianity. I have the same views as Atila that some Christians are over-zealously by going all out to convert people into Christianity, the reason being that as a Christian, you are guaranteed in a place in heaven. This is so far I know, and any Christian here are welcome to rebut my point. This conversion exercise is very common in the universities and colleges.

    PM Lee of Singapore touched on this point in his national day speech where he quoted an incident where the born again Christians refused to follow the funeral rite of their non-Christian parents. There are many incidents such as this that has caused disharmony in many families.

    So, it is important for us to “live and let’s live” without over-zealously converting people on what we believe. We can tell people about our religion teachings with no motive of converting others.

    At least, from a Buddhist point of view, I don’t believe in conversion. You are still you even if you decided to change your religion, but that is because it suits you. You are still a son or daughter to your parents even if you decided to adopt a certain religion.

    Personally, I prefer the word “adopt” rather than “convert” here. For instance, you can “adopt” Buddha’s teachings even if you remain as a Muslim or Christian. I have no qualm what you wish to label yourself as, the way how you carry yourself is what matter to me.

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  42. CYC
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 17:16:37

    New China does not exists if there is no Communist Party.

    BN does not exists if there isn’t corruption.

    Religious conflict does not arise if there is no fanatic politicians who crave for power.

    God’s name would not be manipulated for self gain only if the followers understand the purpose of religion and see the existence of unity in diversity.

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  43. Dr Hsu
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 20:27:15

    i have written an article on this in Malaysiakini 2 years ago i think. It is called ‘dead bed conversion or something “. You can use my search to find in my blog, about overzealous missionaries converting people at their last breathe, when they cannot even account for their own action.

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  44. Meng
    Jan 12, 2010 @ 20:48:18

    It just crossed my mind. The word cannot be used by non muslim…is it indirectly to stop DAP’s MPs from quoting the koran. DAPs MPs have used it a number of times and may have embarrassed umno donkeys.

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  45. disgusted
    Jan 13, 2010 @ 01:04:58

    Life is complicated, there are many people who are already practising Buddhism even if they don’t know the label, precepts or even knowing the historical Buddha ever existed.

    It really does not matter. There is no formal embrace in Buddhism, all voluntary in accepting the precepts in the heart (not commandments) and really no conversion in the strictest sense.

    Just a way of life, breaking precepts and trying harder to practice. Nothing is perfect for practitioners. How not to kill a dengue mosquito when the first precept says, no killing of living things. Impossible. Even you you take bath, you are killing millions of bacteria, good and bad ones living off your skin.

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  46. A true Malaysian
    Jan 13, 2010 @ 09:30:34

    The precepts do not use the word “no”, Disgusted, but use the word “refrain from”…. like refrain from killing, refrain from sexual misconduct, ….. which to me, mean “as far as you can” or “as far as possible”. So, it is all up to you in Buddhism. There is nothing strictly can or cannot.

    Justin Choo can explain better, please make use of his “Life Is Like That” blog to learn Buddhism.

    http://lifeislikethat999.blogspot.com/

    Another good point I want to share here, can you imagine an Islam or Christian missionary build Buddhist temple for Buddhist? So far, I didn’t know any of this, but I know a Buddhist organization build mosque for Muslim in Aceh. The organization, Tzu Chi, is based in Taiwan. It has spread worldwide now.

    http://www.tzuchi.org/

    When a Buddhist helps, he or she helps with no qualification. That is what is so unique about Buddhism.

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  47. maurice_maurice
    Jan 13, 2010 @ 10:35:06

    Dear Dr Hsu

    For your attention about accountability and transparency

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/12/climategate-pa-group-demands-independent-investigation-in-manns-research/

    Thank you.

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  48. klm
    Jan 13, 2010 @ 11:05:33

    Sorry to off track. Can anyone confirm whether engineering degrees from National Chiao Tung and New Tshingua Univeristy from Taiwan are recognised in Malaysia.

    Thanks

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  49. disgusted
    Jan 13, 2010 @ 18:42:51

    Kim, you want the deputy education ministry tel phone number? To ask?

    If yes, I can give you the contact.

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  50. disgusted
    Jan 13, 2010 @ 18:43:45

    TQ True Malaysian, Noted

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  51. A true Malaysian
    Jan 14, 2010 @ 00:32:22

    You are welcome, Disgusted.

    To Buddhist, “Allah” is a no issue simply Buddhism does not believe in creator God, but that does not mean you cannot believe if you believe in God or Allah.

    Someone asked me before, if not God who created this world / universe, then who? My answer to him that, why must you think that God is the one who create the world / universe, and not others? So, there is no point in argument of this. Why not learn how to co-exist peaceful in this world, instead of arguing who can use the word “Allah”, and at the end of the day, we ended up in building mistrust, not goodwill. We must as well not to have religions then.

    What good to have religions if we cannot co-exist because of different belief?

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  52. klm
    Jan 14, 2010 @ 12:20:21

    monk. thanks . And I have no intention to call them. If these two uni are not recognised, it is Malaysia’s lost.

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  53. sosong
    Jan 16, 2010 @ 12:21:08

    MAYBE SEVERE TIES WITH INDONESIA SINCE INDONESIA DISREGARD ISSUES SENSITIVE TO MALAYSIA AND KEEP CONFUSING MUSLIM MALAYSIAN BY USING THIS SENSITIVE ARAB WORD IN THEIR BAHASA INDONESIA BIBLE

    MOREOVER, UMNO SHOULD WARN ALL THOSE CHRISTIAN INDONESIAN, BRUNEIAN , ARABIAN N SINGAPOREAN, ETC (TOURISTS, BUSINESSMEN, MAIDS, WORKERS, ETC.) NOT TO BRING IN ANY BIBLE IN BAHASA INDONESIA / MALAYSIA /ARAB WHICH USE THIS SENSITIVE ARAB WORD.

    COME OUT WITH A LAW TO FINE ANY PERSONS A MINIMUM OF SAYS, RM8, 000 FOR VIOLATION ON USE OF THIS SENSITIVE ARAB WORD. PASTE NOTICES AT ALL ENTRY POINTS.

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  54. Atila
    Jan 22, 2010 @ 06:27:49

    Dr. Hsu

    NEW WORLD ORDER.

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  55. Atila
    Jan 22, 2010 @ 07:44:09

    Dr. Hsu

    Muslims Malaysian have seen enough of NEW WORLD ORDER mess up Islam & Christianity in Indonesia.

    But this mess up is being looked up as good &welcomed by some Malaysian who are ignorant of NEW WORLD ORDER and they think they know so much “who is ruling the world today?”.

    Next is a must for NEW WORLD ORDER to
    achieve that in the soils of Malaysia.

    As Muslims Malaysians “terkejut”, appalled,
    is DSAI himself is part of NEW WORLD ODER?

    Muslims in Malaysia do not want later our cemetary be shared with Christians deads-crucifix, we think far ahead.

    In Malay “bagi betis, mau peha”.

    Remember when PakLah was promoting Islam Hadhari, majority Malaysians do not agree but in silence the answer came in the votes, GE2008.

    The word “Hadhari” was never mentioned in Quran and Sunnah. Its so sick a man creating one, is he God?

    PakLah was certainly impressing Bush adminstration and one of Bush speeches was actually praising Islam Hadhari. Sick.

    Is PakLah part of NEW WORLD ORDER?

    Najib total stopped promoting any elements of
    Islam Hadhari, at least one right move and
    not to deviate true teaching of Islam Sunnah
    Wal Jamaah.

    Either DSAI would get the same fate like PakLah or not, we shall see in next GE.

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