We are at amber!

When i was a member inside a political party, I was very vocal. I used to quote this one example to the former president of the party.

I said that like in a traffic light junction, a person must know to stop at red and move at green, and be ready for both at amber.

Likewise, a leader must know when to go up and when to step down. To the credit of the former president, he did retire graciously, and pass the presidency to the present one.

A leader must know when to go. Looking at many instances all around the world, many leaders have done well for the first couple of years, and then corrupt rule sets in and many become dictators, especially in the third world, grabbing everything in sight and fooling the people with empty rhetoric; power is also consolidated with the utilisation of the state instruments like police and secret services.

The latest one is Gaddafi, the mad man of Libya, who should have retired long long time ago. There was in fact a chance at the beginning of the year, when the people demonstrated against him. He should have stepped down and go on exile. Instead, he chose to ignore popular sentiments and went against the will of the people, and fought a bloody war, in which tens of thousands were killed.

In the end, his defence collapses and his family will now face uncertainty and even death, if arrested.

Had he stepped down, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been  saved.

Power corrupts, and power often generates or rather degenerates into absolute power, and we all know the famous saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

That is why, in the evolvement of democracy, many nations have chosen the 2 party system where 2 more or less equal political groups would take turn to rule the country. Often, there are smaller parties that may form coalition with the 2 big ones in situations where there is no absolute majority for either of the big parties.This is the case in UK.

In others, like US, where presidential system makes  the office of the president a very powerful one, whoever is elected to sit in the office can only do so for a maximum of 2 terms.

This prevents absolute corruption from taking place when a leader staying too long may become a dictatorship. Also the frequent change enables new leadership and new ideas being tested and applied, ensuring progress and freshness at the highest office.

Malaysia is moving towards this 2 party system which is a good thing. But resistance for change is so strong that various institutions are being made use of to prevent a true 2 party system from taking roots.

So at this important juncture, perhaps all of us must pool all our resources together and make sure that this 2 party system survive its infancy.

Once a two party system has taken roots, then perhaps later on we can put in place better check and balance system by having a limit to the number of terms a person can be minister. The same limit can then be applied to important civil service posts like IGP, AG, DGs, etc.

The election is near. So it is the duty of all of us to convince people of the importance of this 2 party system. We should ask those urban people who have relatives in rural areas to explain this concept to their people back home.

The country is now at amber. Whether it will turn to green and progress, or red and remain stagnant, depends on everyone of us.

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64 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. BeWildered
    Aug 24, 2011 @ 13:17:42

    100 percent agree with your call.
    There is never perfect moment to start this than GE13.
    308 has demonstrated it is viable.
    The politicians are as good as we, the voters willing to make them.

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  2. monsterball
    Aug 24, 2011 @ 13:26:18

    The move to a two party system with the possibilities of changing the government by the 13th GE…makes Najib shouts to his party members to defend PutraJaya with their lives.
    Why with their lives?
    Why so dramatic and desperate to win?
    55 years not enough?
    Must govern forever?
    It is a shout by a party leader whose members are corrupted to the core and must not loose the 13th GE at all cost.
    It is a shout by an appointed PM…never elected at all…for his own survival more than anything else.
    It is not an election speech at all.
    Yes…so nice to note Gaddafi is on the run.
    After 13th GE is that election is fair and square and should PR wins…many UMNO B robbers and thieves will be running.
    They will not stay put and wish PR all the best like an ordinary election…where the losers wish the winners all the best.
    The crooks never had it so good for 55 years..and to loose ..13th GE is unthinkable.

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  3. Phua Kai Lit
    Aug 24, 2011 @ 14:20:06

    End of the Gaddafy regime in Libya. Congratulations to the long-suffering people of Libya !

    And here are the lyrics of the first part of “The Internationale” (Billy Bragg version)

    Stand up, all victims of oppression
    For the tyrants fear your might
    Don’t cling so hard to your possessions
    For you have nothing, if you have no rights
    Let racist ignorance be ended
    For respect makes the empires fall
    Freedom is merely privilege extended
    Unless enjoyed by one and all

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  4. SON OF MUHAMMAD
    Aug 24, 2011 @ 14:39:35

    MALAYSIA WILL ALWAYS BE ON THE “RED” BECAUSE OF ALL THE RED TAPES.
    THERE ARE ALWAYS RED TAPES IN YOUR WAY NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND TO REMOVE THESE RED TAPES ONE NEED TO PAY HIS /
    HER WAY OUT. THAT IS WHY BUSINESSMEN PREFER TO DO THEIR BUSINESS SOME WHERE ELSE WITH MUCH LESS RED TAPES.

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  5. Li Li Fa
    Aug 24, 2011 @ 17:03:47

    Our nation inevitably and eventually will arrive at a defining moment. With the coming of the 13GE, the time is most critical and crucial.

    This country definitely is cast in an amber hue, which can turn both ways.

    It is an important time for the people of this nation to decide for themselves and the future generation. It is a time to say, ‘Enough is Enough’ to the incumbents.

    As one may observe, many of the issues of the nation point to the weaknesses in the leadership over a span of 54 years, now infested with the ills of governing, choking on its own lethargic administration and dragged down by its own corrupted ways. Observers in and outside the country can testity to this.

    There are also signs that the people want a change for the better, and a 2-party system may be just what they need.

    With so much of undoing and corrections to be done, even if the other party takes over the reigns of government, tremendous dire efforts and trying times await the eventuality.

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  6. Phua Kai Lit
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 00:04:53

    West Germany underwent “denazification” after World War Two.

    Malaysia will need to undergo “deMahathirisation” in the future if we
    want to have a “First World” government

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  7. A true Malaysian
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 00:50:16

    Dr. Hsu,

    How I wish you could be more direct in asking people to bring back home the message of all out voting for PAKATAN instead of 2-PARTY system.

    As I see it, 2-PARTY system means that people stil have the option to vote for BN, so to balanced-up PAKATAN-UMNO assuming Pakatan is the next Federal government with simple or unhealthy majority.

    As I commented before, so long as Umno is still in the equation, 2-PARTY system will not be there. Fat hope that they will act as a responsible opposition. They will still be playing Malay, Muslim, Islam and Sultan politics like what they are still the government.

    Now they realise Chinese votes and go all out to stir shits with the hope of shifting more Malay votes to their side. I have faith in Malays that they are not so easily influenced but bring the massage home this Raya, VOTE ALL OUT FOR PAKATAN.

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  8. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 01:31:09

    Rome is not built in one day.
    Let it be 2 party system with UMNO B against Pakatan.
    One wants to unite all as Malaysians and the other want to divide and rule.
    It is easier said than done.
    First thing first…change the Govt. Let Pakatan govern and let all Malaysians see the differences..and choose again on 14th GE.
    One must not forget…Mahathir started in all…intensified race and religion politics for 22 years and on going up to now.
    It cannot be ignored….minds are poisoned by UMNO B for selfish reasons.
    The main thing is to expose UMNO B as rouges and thieves and once all are clearly proven and understood…UMNO B will not be better than MCA and MIC..will die off a natural death.
    Pakatan has to do that…and the so call two party system will wither away to be one.
    And out born another group to challenge Pakatan and they will not dare to use race and religion dirty politics.
    It will be like US Democrats against Republicans…modern versus old fashion…but both are agreeing to a Malaysian Malaysia.
    It takes time. Do your part. Vote BN out and stop criticizing with a selfish narrow minded attitude.

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  9. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 08:30:59

    Dr.Hsu is direct..realistic and practical hoping for two strong party system….watching each other.
    As you can see…after 12th GE….Malaysians are getting more news…more vocal…more daring to speak up their thoughts with no fear.
    This is partly due to the blessings of Internet advanced technology..
    Naturally we hope Malaysians will favor Pakatan with their votes on the 13th GE.
    But to expect ALL Malaysians vote for Pakatan…is shallow minded…childish and illogical.

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  10. Dr Hsu
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 09:22:41

    If Anwar and LKS can use 2 party system as a selling point to ask people to gain votes, I do not see why I should not do that. Afterall, in politics, you need selling point, you need to convince people , which are made up of a whole spectrum of diverse background. You cannot just ask people to vote for someone or some party without giving reasons why they should do so.

    I think we should not try to pick bones in eggs, as the proverbial proverb goes.

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  11. A true Malaysian
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 09:33:49

    Dr. Hsu,

    Before I respond to you, do you honestly think ‘2-PARTY’ system works with Umno still in the equation?

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  12. Kenny
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 10:14:50

    A 2 party system will only be established in Malaysia if BN loses power at least once. Otherwise there is no 2 party system no matter how much support PR has.

    A survey taken early this year show that 30% of people wants a PR govt while 20% are undecided. This shows that theoretically we already have a 2 party system.

    However in practice we enjoy none of the benefits of a 2 party system if BN refuses to acknowledge that it has to compete with PR democratically. BN is abusing all the institutions to maintain its rule including the police, MACC, A-G, judiciary, RoS, NRD, civil service and most important one, the Election Commission.

    Hence to create a 2 party system BN must be voted out and become the opposition. There are no two ways about it. Even if PR manages to reduce BN’s majority to a few seats there is still no 2 party system as long as BN forms the Federal govt.

    If you want better and more accountable governance then vote PR even if you think PR is as bad as BN. Democratic competition in a 2 party system will keep PR in line as it will fear being voted out. Unfortunately BN does not fear being voted out because it it feels it has the birthright to rule Malaysia and it will resort to anything to keep its power, even to the extent of selling uneducated foreigners citizenship for votes.

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  13. Dr Hsu
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 10:52:17

    In fact, asking for a 2 party system at the moment is asking people to vote PR . At this moment, where one party dominates(UMNO), Who would think that asking for a 2 party system is to vote for UMNO?

    When there is a dominant one party system, and you ask for a 2 party system, immediately people will know that you are asking them to support the opposition.

    I have often asked my readers to read my post in the whole context, and if anyone thinks that I am asking them to vote for UMNO in the above post, then I am sorry that I do not know how to write in a simpler manner.

    Most who can read English will know that what my above post means. It is about our country coming to a junction..To go green means to vote opposition and to go red means to vote for UMNO.. Did I ask people to vote red in the above post? i do not remember that.

    Casting aside personal feelings about the Big Brother, it is a fact that it is still the biggest and strongest party in Malaysia. They stil enjoy very strong support from the rural people. even if PR is voted into office, UMNO will still be a big factor, like it or not..

    If youhave seen how some of the grassroot Malays( members as wellas non members of UMNO) feel about UMNO, ( I have camped with them and I know how some of them feel), you will know how passionately they feel about it. The only way is to convince them to vote for a better system, and even to ask them to give opposition a chance so that their own party can undergo the process of cleansing off the warlords like the Kuomingtan in Taiwan. .. This some UMNO members agree when I talked to them. BUt if you just ask them to kick out UMNo per se, I am afriad they might be a political backlash, and drive more Malay into their support.

    Most opposition MPs still use the 2 party system as a selling point, because it is understood that if you want a 2 party system, you have to vote PR in for at least one term. That is what Kenny has mentioned too.

    I will rest my case here… But even if all of us do not like UMNO, to think that UMNO will be finished in the next GE is wishful thinking, By all indications, even if BN loses power, UMNO will still emerge as the biggest party .. whether we like it or not..

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  14. Phua Kai Lit
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 11:41:10

    http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/08/23-3

    Progressive politician, the late Jack Layton, speaks to the people of Canada

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  15. Rhan
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 11:49:38

    Hsu, well said and good grasp of reality, we need a realist like you who able to present a viewpoint that is clear, precise and pragmatic.

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  16. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 12:00:33

    Doc….Some people will never understand your message.
    They will keep on proving you are wrong….and how smart they are.

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  17. Kenny
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 14:51:48

    To elaborate further on Dr. Hsu’s message, if BN loses power, we will probably see the coalition break up until only the 3 original parties are left – Umno, MCA and MIC. These race based parties cannot survive on their own so they have to stay together. Others like Gerakan, PPP and most of the parties in East Malaysia will probably leave. The only glue which holds them to BN now and tolerate Big Brother is Federal power.

    Umno will no longer be able to behave like Big Brother. It will have to give its partners a stronger voice instead of sidelining them like passengers. The parties may even decide to merge and become multi-racial. The race based model is outdated and too difficult to work.

    If this happens we can finally say goodbye to race based politics which is the root of all our country’s ills.

    Remember that we still need BN or there is no 2 party system. As power corrupts PR may become just as corrupt as BN in a 1 party system given enough time.

    We may then see some true third force parties emerging. There is no such thing as a third force now when we do not even have a real 2 party system. Any so-called 3rd force like MCLM or HRP will just help BN win.

    I would expect the brain drain to reverse by itself. Many Malaysians working overseas still prefer to come back and work in their homeland. Money is not the only driver.

    Before all this can happen, BN has to be voted out. It’s still a fantasy at the moment.

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  18. Kenny
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:08:14

    Here’s something interesting for Gerakan watchers:

    Go gracefully, Jui Meng advises Tsu Koon as Umno, even Vincent Tan attacks – Malaysia Chronicles

    PKR vice president Chua Jui Meng has advised his former colleague Koh Tsu Koon to “go gracefully” from the BN coalition of which the 62-year Gerakan president been a member since the 1980s.

    “If I were Tsu Koon, I would go gracefully. But I must also say it is not right for BN to treat Tsu Koon this way. After all, he did contribute to their coalition in the past, no doubt in his own way and also in the way that they required. The thing is, if you don’t want him, just tell him so. Don’t make a circus of it all and tar him until he has no dignity left,” Jui Meng, a former Health minister and MCA vice president, told Malaysia Chronicle.

    “I think Tsu Koon should leave a heartless coalition like the BN. He should become an Independent or else join Pakatan. Whichever his decision, the point is, don’t allow yourself to be kicked like this. It’s not worth it.”

    [The full article can be read at Malaysia Chronicles].

    As Dr. Hsu says in this article, leaders should know when to go up and when to step down.

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  19. Dr Hsu
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:17:52

    Kenny
    i agree with your analysis.

    I have often stated that if BN loses, there will be a realignment of political forces ( i was hoping for that to happen after 308, and for Gerakan to take the lead to leave BN, but that did not happen partly because of the backdoor minister’s post) , and that BN may emerge as a single party.

    The smaller parties may not be relevant anymore, but as you have mentioned, the core parties might merge into one. In the very least, UMNO would learn its lesson and tone down its racial rhetoric, and many of the cari makan types (the warlords) would be voted out or they would abandon and move away since there is no more kangdao.

    This is the cleansing that I talked about when i say UMNO must lose one term in order to reform.. Surprisingly, many uMNO leaders agree with this..

    And in a coalition without power, UMNO would no longer able to lord over others. There will be more equal playing fields for all other parties in a defeated BN. They simply cannot lord over others since there is no more carrots and sticks to use..

    As it is , not all UMNO members are bad. There are many inside the parties who are liberal and moderate, just like in PAS there are the liberals and the moderate.

    In case of BN loses power, this moderate force would be able to exert itself. In fact, Tengku Razaleigh is positioning himself as a alternative, in case there is no decisive win by either side, in case there is a very bad fallout from No.1 and No.2 fight (intraparty), and he would offer himself as someone acceptable to all sides- even though this possibility is very remote and I personally don’t see this from happening. But what i see is that the moderate will come up if BN loses.

    And even with UMNO there as opposition, it is still a case of check and balance, and any PR gevernment must tread carefully in order to succeed in another. If they become arrogant and corrupt, they would be voted out, as the DPP suffered in Taiwan ..

    Many extremists in UMNO are not extremists in private lives and among their constituents. They adopt extrmist stand just to move up the power ladder. If there is no more power , and people are no more for racial politics, they will change like chameleons, and become less extreme, Khiary is a good example. Many of those former UMNO big shots are other examples, many of them are now joining Tengku to be a moderate voice , since they are no more involved in the ‘moving up’game.

    I think the people as boss cannot afford to be too partisan.. Yes, today BN is bad and we need to throw them out. If the next round, PR becomes too corrupted , they will receive the same fate…

    Mao’s saying, the cat which catches mice is a good cat.. That is the leverage a 2 party system gives.Anyone who can do good job wll get the job. If they fail,they would be kick out… as simple as that.

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  20. Rhan
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:28:28

    “I think Tsu Koon should leave…”

    Tsu Koon (Gerakan) and MCA must stay.

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  21. A true Malaysian
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:38:21

    Read again what I commented. My English is not so bad to misconstrued you in this matter on 2-PARTY system. All I asked was ‘can you be more direct’, as others maybe perceive otherwise. No one says that 2-PARTY system is not good.

    By the way, you still haven’t responded to my question below,

    “Before I respond to you, do you honestly think ’2-PARTY’ system works with Umno still in the equation?”

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  22. Dr Hsu
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:50:02

    I do not know who are the ‘others’ who may perceive the above article as ‘otherwise’.. If Your’ ‘otherwise’ means that ‘others’ may misconstrue a 2 party system as supporting UMNO in the baove article, then what I answered you above is relevant..No one who can read English would misconstrue ‘otherwise’..It is direct enough.

    Anyway, my answer is above (regarding UMNO)… It will still be around, even if BN loses, so any 2 party system after PR wins will have UMNO in the equation.. I have already answered you on that.. read my answer above.

    Read also Kenny’s comment..
    (for your convenience, it is here: I will rest my case here… But even if all of us do not like UMNO, to think that UMNO will be finished in the next GE is wishful thinking, By all indications, even if BN loses power, UMNO will still emerge as the biggest party .. whether we like it or not..)

    As the biggest party, it will definitely be in the equation..even if PR wins, no single party will match the no of seats UMNO wins in the next election.. To hope that UMNO is not in the equation in any 2 party system after the next GE is wishful thinking…

    I have spent enough time on explaining this; time which i can originally spent more usefully.. i will not spend anymore time on this.

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  23. A true Malaysian
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 17:05:01

    I think many of us are aware that Umno to lose more seats or ‘finished’ in the 13th GE is wishful thinking. ‘Wishful’ is not because it is the biggest part, not because it is dominant party but because of ‘unlevel’ playing field.

    Let’s visualise the whole scenario like a football match between Umno (forget about others in BN, they are not the main players anyway) and Pakatan Rakyat. Before even the kick-of, Umno already scored 5 goals. Then, as the match progresses, the ‘referee’ and the ‘lines men’ are mainly siding Umno. Leaving the spectators (say majority Pakatan supporters and civil society) to cheer the Pakatan team and to ensure no shifting of goal post. Let’s assume that Umno scores no more goals, and Pakatan socored 7 goals at the end of the match, ie, Pakatan 7, Umno 5 and take over Putrajaya.

    You see here, in the first instance, we don’t see sportmanship in Umno. How to expect them to act responsibly as opposition in a 2-PARTY system? That’s why the ‘wishful’ thinking comes in, that’s why I said, so long as Umno is in the equation, 2-PARTY system will not be there.

    That’s why I commented “How I wish you could be more direct in asking people to bring back home the message of all out voting for PAKATAN instead of 2-PARTY system.” and ended with the message “VOTE ALL OUT FOR PAKATAN”. But alas, I received some nasty responses. That’s alright to me if by doing so, can make him happy.

    Bersih and civil society play an important role to make Pakatan win the football match with the score of say, 15-5, and we, the Bersih and civil society, will play as “check and balance” to Pakatan government. If they become nasty, then kick them out next. Meanwhile, we hope the current set of players ‘finished’, and replaced by a whole new team not playing Melayu, Muslim, Islam and Sultan politics. Only then, 2-PARTY system works. If not, wishful thinking.

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  24. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 19:22:59

    Unlevel playing field field is always there.
    When have we learn to use this words “unlevel playing field?’
    .It is after 12the GE…which means more and more are being exposed…and when you keep exposing…the more UMNO B tries to twist and deny…the more voters will turn against them.
    As it is..Najib’s flip flopping…lying have made him no better than Mahathir and if Mahathir leads BN to 13th GE…BN will be finished,
    One can keep on visualized this or that and come out with nonsensical conclusions as much as he likes.
    This is about …country and people…not a football game.
    Who have ever said UMNO B is sporting enough to play fair in election?
    Wishful thinking is by one who does not have confidence..coward and narrow minded….talk alot of negatives..with no positive sign to win.
    When you have negative thoughts and even you declare you support change of government…and UMNO B wins again…that person will carry balls to earn a living.
    Nasty respond is just a beginning. I know this man. I met him personally…and he knows me well too.
    Happiness do not come from being nasty when we talk about country and people.
    It is being brave hitting hard at Najib.. and hates sitting on the fence…voters…thinking selfishly for himself.
    By elections results are being used as reasons…concluding…Pakatan will loose and good only to be “check and balance” UMNO B..no chance to win at all.
    Then he ends….with a wishful thought…that contradicts all his many previous thoughts.
    I tell you…this is a cunning useless voter to be depended upon.
    Like Julius Caesar said…”Beware of the think and hungry look people. Such men are dangerous”
    Have you all seen him before? I do.

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  25. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 19:31:12

    I am not disagreeing with him totally.
    I am suspicious over his many doubts and “wishful thinking” remarks to poison young minds.
    I am suspicious that man has an ulterior motive…but is such a coward and selfish bugger that have unbalanced thoughts …thinking about himself …what to do next.
    He is unreliable voter.
    Months back..he was the first and still is now..very happy I left this blog.
    “hhhmmm so quiet. So nice” he said.
    Well this loud mouth is back!!!
    What are you going to do about it?

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  26. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 19:33:49

    This is my last comment on this post.
    I will wait for new thoughts from Doc.

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  27. monsterball
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 19:40:50

    Pardon me….Julius Caesar said..”Beware of the THIN…not think..”….and my English is world famous…not so good…but my messages can be understood by many more than that thin man….twisting..instigating..agreeing and disagreeing and end up…gone case for Pakatan.
    Yip…last last comment in this post.

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  28. Rhan
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 20:33:30

    The argument is on semantic?

    “Vote all out for Pakatan” directly express the support of a political coalition.

    “Two party system” imply a shift of political system that bring out the good for all, even if I don’t share the aspiration of certain political party, I would still vote them for the sake of better Malaysia. PR need the support of voter that undecided and voter that stand in the middle to win.

    So to answer “do you honestly think ’2-PARTY’ system works with Umno still in the equation?”, i would say nobody knows, but we can’t get rid of this reality.

    You can’t get the support of rural Malay by telling them affirmative action is bad, hence to pick the right words and expression do play a part in perception war.

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  29. A true Malaysian
    Aug 25, 2011 @ 22:31:49

    “Many extremists in UMNO are not extremists in private lives and among their constituents. They adopt extrmist stand just to move up the power ladder. If there is no more power , and people are no more for racial politics, they will change like chameleons, and become less extreme, Khiary is a good example. Many of those former UMNO big shots are other examples, many of them are now joining Tengku to be a moderate voice , since they are no more involved in the ‘moving up’game.”

    Isn’t this hypocrisy? or opportunist?

    This is what I commented about their Melayu, Muslim, Islam and Sultan politics. How to expect them to play a responsible government and later opposition in 2-PARTY system?

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  30. milwaukee
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 02:52:49

    Dear friends, when politicians and people in power ( head of departments in civil service ) tasted freebies and find relative ease in their ability to plunder the country’s wealth and accumulate personal gains, that’s the end of service to the people. It doesn’t matter who’s at the helm, as long as they don’t think they should be accountable to the people that’s when the entire situation is rotting to the core. Recent past and present examples are aplenty, from Ceasescu, Ben Ali to Ghadaffi. It is their day job to be politicians, however public servants should be ready to be scrutinized and be accountable when questioned, rather than being on the defensive. We need leaders who can deliver decent results, judged by real statistics and the people they served.

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  31. beh tahan
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 08:24:45

    I wonder someone is really a true Malaysian or just his true wishful thinking?Could be plain ignorant or sheer stupidity?Errr…or if you’re bored,please talk to the wall in your house!!!

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  32. rtee
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 09:47:10

    I think it is very naive to think that if PR wins the next GE, UMNO will disappear and would not be in the 2 party equation.

    UMNO won the most seats in 308, and even if it loses very badly like 1999, it will still be a party to be reckoned with.

    Hoping that telling people direct to vote PR will make UMNO lose all seats and disappear is like a child wishing for something..

    In the foreseeable future, even if BN loses, UMNO will still be a party in any system. This is reality.

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  33. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:00:59

    Looks like I was talking on the wall yesterday.

    When did I show that I had this ‘wishful thinking’ that Umno will be out of equation in the 2PARTY system?

    What i was trying to say is that, so long as Umno is in the equation, 2-PARTY system (which requires both sides to act responsibly), 2-PARTY will not be there.

    Go visualise again the football match. I can’t if you are not good in visualisation.

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  34. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:14:26

    Some people talk so much, but, at polling day, vote for Umno / BN.

    But, who cares, that is your rights to vote whoever you want. You named this ‘backlash’, then too bad.

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  35. Li Li Fa
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:24:40

    If BN loses and PR wins, then a 2-party system could move into the scheme of things.

    If I may stretch my mind, I would think, UMNO will stil be around ( eating humble pie) and probably evolve into a different entity. They will not be fully abandoned as the die-hards will stick with them. The other component parties may have left and become dysfunctional.

    However, if PR wins, then there will be a completely new ball game. They need to work together as a solid team and emulate the administrative example of the current Penang. By then, maybe LGE will have moved up the political ladder.

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  36. Kenny
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:27:06

    As the opposition Umno will not be able to behave as it does now. It will not be able to abuse the levers of power as it is no longer in the power loop. Even its racist and deceitful ways have to change to be more centrist and popular.

    If Umno carries on as it does now while as the opposition it will be destroyed. As a party seeking to regain power it will have to reform.

    So the question of whether a 2 party system will work with Umno in the equation does not arise. If Umno doesn’t want to work with the 2 party system once it is established it will be shafted aside. It is either they compete democratically or become irrelevant.

    But the bigger issue is to establish the 2 party system first. Of course Umno will do its best to prevent a 2 party system from taking shape while it is in power.

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  37. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:37:24

    Before I am accused of anything, ‘some people’ not include you, Dr. Hsu.

    You and me are not interested in ‘kangtao’. It’s normal for other type of people using divide and rule tactics in your respectable blog.

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  38. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:59:54

    Kenny,

    If the score is 7 Pakatan 5 Umno, 2-PARTY system will not works…..unless civil servants, police, royal, justice….are indepent and professional. I am skeptical on that as mentality will not shift overnight.

    We need to aim for score of 15 Pakatan 5 Umno to force Umno to reform, and with 2/3 majority, Pakatan must put the foundations of democracy in place, only then true 2-PARTY system like what we see in matured democries will emerge in our beloved country, Malaysia.

    Any score less than 15-5, Pakatan goverment will face resistant, nuisance and disturbances in the form of Malay-Muslim-Islam-Sultan. But, meantime, we have to satisfy with that type of score.

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  39. Phua Kai Lit
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 13:43:05

    It all boils down to the fight for the hearts and minds of the people.

    Repressive regimes that have lost the hearts and minds of the people
    (like the Eastern European police states in the late 1980s) can only stay in power
    through force and intimidation. That is why they can collapse so “suddenly” —
    they have no legitimacy in the eyes of the vast majority of the populace.
    For example, Ceaucescu’s regime in Romania. I’m sure that at its end, even the members of the Romanian ruling elite turned to alternative media for their news as the govt-owned
    media was nothing but outright propaganda

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  40. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 13:57:44

    I promised to leave this post….but if you all can forgive me breaking my promise….I need to respond to True Malaysia…keep accusing other people using divide and rule tactics in Doc’s blog.
    It is HE….doing it all along…..yet he accused others.
    Lets trace back…….
    He was supporting Doc’s “Third Force”.
    Then Doc gave up politics….he supported Haris Ibrahim as future PM and Haris and Raja Petra party should be Third Force…..no more Gerakan.
    Got fired by so many….gave up the idea.
    And NOW……Pakatan will always be a weak 2-PARTY system…this and that.
    He keep on using the by elections results….to support his theory.
    In any case…..all of you go and conclude who True Malaysian is.
    “Beh Tahan” is right….he yearns for attentions with all his nonsense.

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  41. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 15:02:37

    What a jerk True Malaysian is.
    Doc is a medical man and have proven not an opportunist…no
    “kangtao” needed..just skills an branched off to other field off curing too.
    No doubt..many doctors are in politics…especially in Gerakan and MCA and have proven to be “kangtoa” seekers.

    Presuming…True Malaysian also not seeking ‘kangtao” to make a living….why does he think others are doing that?

    ah yes…….businessmen are “kangtoa” seekers…..looking for opportunities.
    So what? What’s is the problem with that?

    I again..like to remind True Malaysians…not be be an idiot to use the 15 by elections results to tell grandfather stories with his conclusion.
    PR is waiting to see..how Najib is going to bribe all voters in 13th GE.

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  42. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 15:11:52

    True Malaysian is seeking to upset few..lure them to argue…make mistakes…and before that person knows it…he is offending others too.
    Be careful of such thin and hungry look man…tactics.

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  43. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 15:31:07

    I asked my 20 year old young daughter…going to U in Sept…long ago..what degree does she wishes to get.
    She said Accounting.
    I ask her why not medical…as her Science and Maths grades qualify her for that.
    She said…Accounting very easy…and she wants an ordinary simple life…a degree she can get a job easily to earn a living.

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  44. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 17:14:30

    Looks like I was wrong. I am not talking on the wall after all.

    You judge for yourself what kind of person he is. Just wonder if he is really pro Pakatan, (even some pro BN people not like that) why is he behaving like one from the other side? No wonder he is barred in any blogs, even RPK’s blog.

    Long break coming, Dr. Hsu, perhaps I could meet you somewhere, minus smoke around. I can’t stand smokers.

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  45. Dr Hsu
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 17:47:33

    i think even if we disagree with one another, we need to observe the confidentiality rule. pls respect others’ privacy.Since ATM has requested anonymity, i hv deleted certain prts that may reveal who he is.

    this protection will be extended to others too, so they can have no fear voicing out.

    Mosterball, I request you to be more civil.. please. Thank you.

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  46. Kenny
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 18:54:14

    True Malaysian, I don’t think PR will need 2/3 majority to change the system. Once they are in power the civil service will fall into line. Even the royalty will change their tune. The press can be freed up immediately. The institutions may take longer to reform but they cannot hold out. The pro-Umno heads and deputy heads will be changed to people of integrity and merit. Judges will be appointed on merit, not on how loyal they are to the establishment.

    There is no reason for the bulk of the civil service to cling to Umno once BN loses power. The only people who will fight to have BN back will be the corrupt ones whose corruption have been interrupted.

    The danger is sabotage in the early days if PR wins a slim victory. MPs may be bought over or threatened. The police, the A-G, the EC, the judiciary and even the royalty will have some lingering affinity to Umno and they may work together to pull down a weak PR govt. PR will have to move very quickly to co-opt them. One way is to boost their majority with political alliances with BN component parties.

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  47. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 19:10:43

    Anyone participating in this forum long enough can vouch my character from my writings. In no circumstances I will divulge a person’s details.

    Let me share with you all here how I get to know this guy. It’s his request to Dr. Hsu to meet me personally. I learned a hard lesson here, that we, as far as possible, do not oblige to meet any person with suspicious characters you get to know through internet.

    Nevertheless, I must say I am fortunate to get to know Dr. Hsu and some other commentators here in persons, and we become trusted friends till now. This kind of friendship is priceless which cannot be measured with ringgit and sen.

    I believe we are all here to share our thoughts, not to seek for fame, but to make Malaysia a better place for all.

    Again, judge for yourselves what type of person he is. Talking bad of others is not my liking, as this will only reflect what kind of person I am if I do likewise.

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  48. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 19:23:30

    Kenny,

    I really hope so.

    Let’s share our thoughts to make Malaysia a better place for all. I guess we are all tired with the politics of Malay-Muslim-Islam-Sultan since merdeka. We can’t afford to continue this kind of politics are another half century.

    I believe through this popular blog of Dr. Hsu, our thoughts can more or less convince fellow Malaysians with warped logic to re-align how they see things.

    Cheers to you, Kenny.

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  49. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 20:04:44

    Out of respect to Dr. Hsu….I will not be lured into an argument .
    I have met many bloggers…NGOs…ordinary folks walking .protesting…..thousands of them…and non have said ill about me.
    Yes..I requested for True Malaysian to join Doc to meet me…but he dare not meet me….like a man…walking around..and had to wait until doc showed up.
    I asked him to join me..because years ago comments…at Susan Loone’s blog he was down to earth and talk sense at that blog.
    Now he is twisting and turning…to confuse young readers.
    That settles the reason I wanted to meet him.
    As for me..I am an open book…..face…details…in internet.
    As for blogs banning me…..sure they do and why not….I exposed them.
    I am a Freedom Fighter. You win some. You loose some.

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  50. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 20:10:54

    By the way….PRK blog …you pay subscriptions ..you can post..no banning.

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  51. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 20:17:15

    I mean RPK blog…pay and no banning to all.
    It is copying Malaysiakini…..but miles apart in everything.

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  52. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 20:54:36

    Seriously speaking again….after 12th GE…and with internet news …the government have always been on the defensive in corruption…race and religion politics.
    The worst of the lot…..MCA .. Chua Soi Lek and Gerakan…Koh Tsu Koon.. keep insulting Lim Guan Eng to make sure UMNO b is happy.
    UMNO B commentators are more direct….insulting anyone not supporting UMNO B in pro UMNO B’s blog…..like Rockybru’s blog.
    But Rockybru…have much to be admired.
    He allows approved comments…..making it a fish market blog for debating …arguing.
    Non political blogs…Doc and Patrick Teoh are the best.
    Now for commentators….there are quite alot…love to agree to disagree and that works against PR taking over PutraJaya.
    I have gunned exposed as many I can find….nice guys…talk nice…but you read the comments….it is not FOR or AGAINST.
    It is…”.think properly. don’t conclude who to vote for yet..” and when exposed..will swear he is for PR…and back again with the twists and turn tactic.
    Yes after 12th GE…UMNO B have become very weak….YET…some keep on saying how strong they are.
    Malays mentalities and behaviors are well known because we keep on reading about how crooked UMNO b is and their supporters are fanatics and racists.
    I have written about the selfish Malaysian Chinese long ago and it seems….at BERSIH 2 …Chinese have changed for the better.
    Now…..why are some in this blog..have no faith PR will take over PutraJaya after 13th GE?
    Why keep telling how powerful UMNO B is….when it is not.
    Like I say…..after 12th GE…things are showing well for PR so much so…UMNO B need to stir things up…Christians using as punching bags….Hindus on cow head….Ibrahim Ali..provoking….and the many provocations and insults…bullies..and why so?
    UMNO B have never been so afraid to loose the 13th GE.
    Again….why are we saying how strong UMNO B or the government is?
    One by one…more and more UMNO B men are confessing participating on frauds.
    When have anyone read so much about frauds being exposed…except now and why so.?
    Najib is finished and here we talk how great UMNO B is with all their tricks and protectors?
    Malaysians not only want to change he government…to get rid of CORRUPTIONS..but want the murderers of Teoh Beng Hock and Atlantuya bring to justice.
    I have said these dozens of times…and this makes supporters of MCA and Gerakan commentators mad..

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  53. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 21:15:17

    Yes folks….judge well and know the person..as advised by True Malaysian.
    In politics…we must judge whom we are talking to.
    In business I judge all my workers and customers…all my life.
    I am not selling services. I sell products and I need to master the art with sharp eyes to judge CORRECTLY…and .ACCURATELY.

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  54. monsterball
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 21:21:57

    I hope True Malaysian will respond to my 13:57:44 comment and not move on to divert attentions.
    Those are powerful accusations…true or false?

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  55. A true Malaysian
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 21:45:56

    “Yes..I requested for True Malaysian to join Doc to meet me…but he dare not meet me….like a man…walking around..and had to wait until doc showed up.”

    I don’t even know how he looks like when we first met. How then I dare not meet him? Dr. Hsu can vouch that.

    You nasty jerk. You are not worth my time to response to you.

    My advice to fellow commentators, beware of this old man called himself ‘mosterball’. It’s not difficult to guess his background. His previous comments consist of challenges to commentators to reveal their real identity, BeWildered was the latest he did that. Ask yourselves, why?

    HE IS HERE TO DISRUPT THE FLOW OF THIS FORUM. Many good commentators have left as commentators here because of this nasty old man. Anyone want to see how handsome is this guy, just google. You can find him there.

    We civil people should not succumb to this kind of intimidation.

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  56. Dr Hsu
    Aug 26, 2011 @ 22:15:01

    i will put this blog on moderator mode for the time being to cool things off..sorry, folks.

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  57. A true Malaysian
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 00:04:26

    For that matter, maybe I should add, I was not even sure how was Dr. Hsu looks like since that was the first time we met in person, as the photo of his in this blog was partly hidden.

    I treat this nuisance very seriously this round as I deemed it as assasination of my characters. I hold your responsible for any untoward happening to my profession, myself and my family.

    Enough is enough, monsterball.

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  58. BeWildered
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 08:20:53

    “A True Malaysian”, please do not give up !
    I will miss your comments if you to that.
    Have a nice day.

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  59. Rhan
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 09:15:36

    friends, chill out, internet is for fun and some kiddo exchange once a while, don’t take it too seriously, internet just a distraction, not real life. 🙂

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  60. Justice&Equality
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 09:50:13

    Agreed, Monsterball is really a Nuisance that seems to ‘dominate’ this blog. He should be ‘censor’ by Dr Hsu, taking Dr Hsu kindness for Weakness.

    He also regularly commented on LKS’s Blog.

    Previously he did such a Nuisance in RPK’s blog and I believe he was ‘blocked’ from commenting in that blog and might be under another pseudonym now.

    ‘A True Malaysian’, I am on your Side. Stay on.

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  61. A true Malaysian
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 10:12:31

    BeWildered,

    Thank you very much for your words of encouragement. I will never succumb to such low tactics of intimidation. If I give up, that in fact I fall into his trap.

    Maybe you are ‘not long enough’ in this forum. There was many such incidences of ‘turbulence’ before, if I have the time, I will re-post the links here for your reading pleasure. Many civil minded people have left this blog directly or indirectly due to this man, but I believe they are still frequent readers. ‘Indirectly’ because somehow, through the heated arguments, have resulted in suspicions, even to Dr. Hsu, while he was still in Gerakan. Some commentators have came to ward of the attacks, and I must mention here, one particular commentator ‘cilipadi’ contributed much in this.

    How I wish my fellow commentators that left this forum to come back and contribute their thoughts. I believe through combine efforts of us, to certain extent, we can convince our fellow Malaysians and even Umno people, realise how sick our beautiful country is, more so the next GE is around the corner.

    HE IS HERE TO DISRUPT THE FLOW OF THIS FORUM, for reasons he knows best.

    (This man was barred in this forum for countless times and is still barred elsewhere, if I not wrong, Malaysiakini as well)

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  62. Dr Hsu
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 10:28:07

    I think we should not , in the name of blogosphere freedom , embark on personal name labelling and name calling.

    As a blog that champions Press freedom, there is needs to observe certain decorum too.

    And I treasure confidentiality very much, since each of the commentators may have his or her reasons for remaining anonymous, we should not reveal their whereabouts or any leads that might put them in trouble.

    Although I do not fear the authority, there are some who need to look after their family, there are some whose rice bowls may be affected if the big brother knows about their identities. This is similar to what is intended in the protection of whistle-blowers

    I hope no one would abuse my liberal stance on blog freedom to put others in trouble, or go down to the personal level to attack anyone. This is the request from this blog.

    I hope there is no more comment on this issue.

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  63. A true Malaysian
    Aug 27, 2011 @ 12:11:38

    The fear is definitely there. There are hell lots of cases of such intimidation we read in internet. Until and unless the authorities act responsibly, transparently, professionally, independently and not abuse the draconian laws at their disposal, such fears will be there, like what we see in many countries. As RPK said, these are the most effective tools to make ‘politicians’ behave, what more for civilians like us.

    But, we should not allow such fears to suppress our thoughts and internet comes in handy to play such a role in civilised and responsible manners. Internet portals like Malaysiakini, Malaysia Today, The Malaysian Insiders, Malaysia Chronicle, civilian blogs are reputable for this.

    I tend to joke with my friends, if I decide to stand for election one day, I will go for a Malay majority seat to prove to our Malay & Muslim brothers and sisters, that even a non-Malay can represent them, help them, fight for their interests, even though he or she is a non-Malay, non-Muslim. Some may say I have this ‘wishful thinking’ of getting elected by the Malays and Muslims, but my aim is not to be elected anyway. My aim is to convey the message that we should treat each other as human beings, not Malays, not Chinese, not Muslim, not Buddhist or whatever, and drive home the message to end Malay-Muslim-Islam-Sultan politics that bring us nowhere, but stand still at ‘amber light’, if not slip to the status of Libya, Somalia…etc, etc.

    I carry myself and lead my destiny based on 5 Precepts of Buddhism (though I am very far to qualify as ‘real true’ Buddhist), and I try to learn my teacher’s teachings which basically centred on:-

    In this world,
    There is no one I don’t love
    There is no one I don’t trust
    There is no one I cannot forgive

    as my way of life.

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  64. A true Malaysian
    Sep 01, 2011 @ 19:57:15

    Wondering why Umno could only scored 5 goals? Don’t bother to visualise your own. Let me answer for you guys….

    Because ‘they’ insisted to play on clutches and the ‘referee’ allowed it. More visualisation will come in, if the situation warrants.

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