Some recent thoughts

Firstly,  A very Happy deepavali to all followers of Hindu faith.

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I will also use this opportunity to pen some of my thoughts the last few days:

I thought it was good for the government to allow the Himpun gathering.

But having done so, the government should not practise double standard, and in future it must be prepared to allow peaceful demonstration to take place.

It can be in a stadium. It can even be in a designated street or park where police can keep an eyes on such rallies.

I thought it was also good that so few people attended that rally. It goes to show that most Malaysians, irrespective of their faith, are tolerant, peace-loving, and do not believe that there is a serious activtiy for any religion to try to convert followers of other religions.

I hope Malaysians should keep up this love for peace.

This also shows that Malaysian society has matured so much. If it was in the 70s, or 80s, any news of such gatherings would see half the town resort to panic buying and stocking up foods and drinks. On that day, life went on as usual, crowds (bigger than Himpun) were everywhere in malls and jams were as bad as any other Saturday.

Malaysians no longer  live in the shadow of May 13. That tragedy  has often been used by certain BN politicians to warn certain ethnic groups  to vote BN. But the Bersih walk has shattered that myth, and the way  most people reacted to this Himpun gathering again shows that Malaysians cannot be easily swayed with such method of fishing for votes.

Malaysians are now much better educated, and most of us can think for ourselves.

37 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. BeWildered
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 11:44:12

    GE13 will be a good barometer for political maturity of Malaysian voters. We keep our fingers crossed on this.
    There is a possibility that GE13 will be held on the third day of Chinese New Year, just to disrupt the Chinese from voting and mess up DAP’s Chances of retaining it’s seats. With extreme desperation, there will be extreme ideas and measures.

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  2. klm
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 11:52:00

    Dr. Hsu. I sent you an email with an attachment. Appreciate if you can find some time to go through it and your comments highly appreciated. Thanks

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  3. Phua Kai Lit
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 13:22:46

    Happy Deepavali to all our HIndu friends and fellow Malaysians!

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  4. Dr Hsu
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 13:45:07

    klm,

    I have sent you a powerpoint made by me in 2008 on Gerakan becoming the green party of Malaysia . I was selling to CC and some senior members about Gerakan coming out of the coalition and becoming the Green party of Malaysia. It interested many of them, but ultimately nothing came out of it since once they decided to stay put, whatever route they take does not matter, rather it will then be dependent of the Big Brothers.

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  5. Ellese
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 13:52:01

    Dear doc,

    First I wish to wish Happy deepavali to all.

    On the right to peaceful assembly we need to explore further. I had a major problem with most people. I was for right to assemble by bersih and perkasa. My main problem is that supporters of one fight only for their right to assemble and deny the others.

    So let’s establish this principle and not be like a politician who always change. If we want to accord the right to assemble, do we want some restraint? Must it be in stadium only? Can it be at the street? Must we obtain permits from police abd not regulate it? If not who has a first right of time and place? Must they be restraint? Can it be at anytime causing gridlock in kl and inconvenience to people. For example bersih and perkasa wants to have on the same day and place. Are we ready for unfettered right to assemble? Who determines peacefulness? All from himpun perkasa bersih publicly declare they’re peaceful? But why so much rejection and denials? What should be our values? Should media play scare mongering tactics? Look at Utusan MSM and TMI maysiakini playing opposite site of scaremongering? Should we allow total freedom of expression? Can one choose anything it wishes to write on placards? What about race and religious issues? Should there be a limit?

    Look at tmi playing anti Christian siege mentality and Utusan playing anti Muslims siege mentality. Why do we always condemn one side when the other does similar action? Are we really ready?

    Or should we retain the values in our seditious law?

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  6. Li Li Fa
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 14:39:01

    An assembly of people can be held indoors as well as outdoors. They can be peaceful assemblies.

    The essence and purpose of the assembly is the same no matter it is held outdoor or indoors. As Malaysians show civic mindedness and civility, I believe any assembly outdoor or indoor can be as peaceful and purposeful as it can be.

    However, there are always bad wolves and bad apples. The people are matured enough to look out and seive them out.

    The Bersih2 march could have been a peaceful assembly had the people not been provoked and mandled. No properties were destroyed. But a participant who had a heart attack passed away. Otherwise it was a peaceful assembly.

    Examples of peaceful assembly could be found in HongKong, Jakarta, Sydney, London, New York, etc.

    Therefore let the people decide what is best to suit their purpose, whether in or outdoors.

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  7. Li Li Fa
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 14:42:55

    Happy Diwali Valthukal to all Hindu Malaysians, and also to Malaysian who celebrate with thier Hindu friends.

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  8. klm
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 14:48:34

    Dr. Hsu Thanks. Maybe we can start fresh with a new Green Party. Maybe many Gerakan members may cross over.

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  9. Dr Hsu
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 14:57:09

    My stand on freedom of assembly is very clear. read the above.

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  10. Dr Hsu
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 14:57:40

    klm,
    maybe i will join, who knows…🙂

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  11. CYC
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 15:10:50

    Sorry Dr, I am pouring cold water on your suggestion gain. My take is Gelakanians will stick to status quo no matter what happen. Those highly “educated elites” are too afraid to leave their comfort zone and sit on the opposition bench.

    Just look at the recently released AG Report, year in year out the same worms came out but the govt just ignored them. And where are all those Gelakan elites ? Could it be they just want to be part of the privatised gain group and turn a blind eye on the socialised losses group as their gain outweight the loss.

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  12. CYC
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 15:12:32

    Happy Diwali to all Hindu brothers and sisters!

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  13. sally
    Oct 25, 2011 @ 16:26:05

    “Malaysians are now much better educated, and most of us can think for ourselves.”

    Civil people are not schooled to kill, riot, steal and corrupt the world.

    Happy Diwali Malaysia…

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  14. bow
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 04:35:35

    Once Multi -racial Malaysian civil society strengthen their bond and comradeship base on mutual respect and caring rather than foolish politiking, seek the best solution for their problems from mutual understanding rather than from senseless attack, Malaysians will have the best future laying ahead for them regardless of the uncertainty facing many countries in this ever volatile world.

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  15. Phua Kai Lit
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 09:03:35

    Dear Dr Hsu

    Gerakan has too much baggage.

    Best to launch a completely new Green Party.
    It is an exciting idea. The philosophical statement-cum-party manifesto will
    be very important.

    A lot of my folks in Kuantan from the anti-Lynas campaign will join !
    (Folks = my relatives, friends, neighbours etc).

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  16. klm
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 10:51:55

    Dr Hsu. Any comment on the Green Charter?

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  17. Dr Hsu
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 11:12:51

    klm,
    i am readng thrugh it and giving it some thought. Good piece. will feedback to u tomorrow via email.

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  18. Kenny
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 11:44:47

    Are we talking about the Green Party as a 3rd force in politics just like the Green Party in Germany once or Green as in environmental causes?

    If it is the former, establish a 2 party system first. There is no 3rd force without a 2 party system.

    If it is the latter we may not be at the stage yet for a party based on an environmental platform. There are too many urgent social issues so for sure it will be a niche party.

    Anyway, Happy Deepavali to all HIndu readers.

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  19. cilipadi
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 11:59:08

    I agree with Kenny
    Go for 2 party first
    Then 3rd force Green party
    cilipadi can be Green or Red
    wishing my Hindu friends a Happy cilipadi Deepavali

    2 party makan cili, Green Party rasa pedas

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  20. klm
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 13:03:58

    Whether it is time or not to have a Green Party is moot. Events will drive the formation of such party. But I would like to correct the perception that a Green Party is based an environmental platform. The Green Agenda is a holistic political philosophy that is based on ecological sound and responsible policies, balanced and sustainable development, and fair and just society. In other words, a blueprint to survive the 21st century.

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  21. Kala Azar
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 18:41:11

    Doc,
    Can you write something about the recent Auditor General Report?

    Thanks.

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  22. CYC
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 20:23:05

    This is the worst Deepavali I ever had. Not because of lacking of muruku or tosei but I still see my Indian friends being marginalised and continued to be fooled by some “leaders” of their own race. By incorporating an investment arm by MIC will never solve Indians economic woes but rather the opposite. Why? Just look back at history how the poor Chinese villagers being conned by our “Chinese economic Czar- Tan Koon Swan” and u know what I meant.

    The lndians should really liberate themselves by looking into their education and cultural baggage in order to find a holistic solution, not any personality that resemble God.

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  23. Phua Kai Lit
    Oct 27, 2011 @ 09:39:12

    A Malaysian “Green Party” can always be part of the
    Pakatan Rakyat coalition of reformist and progressive political parties.

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  24. Phua Kai Lit
    Oct 27, 2011 @ 12:19:04

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  25. Ellese
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 08:41:33

    Though I think most of phua’s referrals are PR propaganda having an analytical riguour and biasness similar to utusan’s, but this jazeera documentary is a good referral.

    The question we posed must be where the balance lies between progress and wealth on one hand and environment degradation and health on the other. There’s a study on environment vs development for countries around the world and everyone country unfortunately has tilted on development. Why?

    Every little progress we make has environmental degradation. By procreating we also effect the ecological balance. From cars airplanes our lifestyle and even Internet (usage of electricity) uses fossil fuel. Core issue has been fossil fuel to me. Our electricity worldwide use coal gas diesel etc etc and now nuclear.

    We must put things into perspective and as one of the person in the video says be guided by facts and science and not politics (especially pr and bn). The crux in issue are our power consumption. We need to debate for example whether we want fossil fuel plant like gas fuel etc against a less pollutant nuclear plant. We need to debate between the cheap non renewable energy resource against the much more expensive renewable energy like solar wind etc. And in the study of environmental degradation vs development countries only care about environment when they have the money. It reflects the value in us. We complain about environment but we still drive cars, use electricity and water excessively. We are against increase in fuel water and electricity tariff which is too low encouraging waste. This is our issue. Not consistent and hypocritical.

    That’s why I am highly agitated by those so call pro environment but totally against rise in petrol water and electric tariff. Their concern on environment is so shortsighted that environment concern only applies when it does not effect them. But when it does they seemed impervious. That’s what the study comparing development vs environmental degradation show. Many are just concern about own self. Only a few I’ve seen are concerned like gurmit Singh which opted for a change in lifestyle. The rest are pure craps. (sorry doc I did environmental study and see too much craps in people).

    But the aljazeera documentary are instructive on lynas. Phua still refuse to counter
    the IAEA scientific report by saying it’s bn propaganda. He should debunk by using the professor’s method in the documentary to debunk. By refuting the iaea report with facts and science. Then we see how lynas counter argument. At the end we make informed decision. Now everyone is against lynas don’t even know that the level is practically non existent or at worst at a level less than our mundane activities. Why? Is it science or politics? Or is it another hypocritical inconsistent partisan stand.

    You get pkr (fuziah) to lead this issue based on environmental concern but pkr itself are up
    In arms against price increase in petrol water and electricity tariff which as the documentary show will only lead to more carbon footprints and excessive waste for our ecological system. Tell me why this is not an utter hypocrital stand.

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  26. Ellese
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 08:48:43

    Kim

    I don’t know you so I can’t make an assessment on you but will instead ask you questions.

    I am more than happy if we have a green party to push for environmental concern. But curious of your stand on this issue which normally is the bane of environmental agenda.

    1) do you agree that our petrol water and electricity price are cheap?

    2) are you against increase in tariff of petrol water and electricity in our country?

    Tell me the reasons whichever way you decide based on environmental issue.

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  27. Phua Kai Lit
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 10:12:42

    Dear Dr Hsu

    If there are serious plans to set up a Malaysian Green Party,
    I would be most interested to participate.

    Cheers

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  28. Dr Hsu
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 12:44:40

    Prof Phua

    I do not know about any .. Perhaps klm knows better.. But green politics is not just about environmentalism.

    It is more than that.. It involves participatory politics, social justice and advocating peace and nonviolence …

    Social justice means that the aim is to go for a more equal society, but help will be rendered to those that are in the lower social strata.. In many ways, it is social democracy.

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  29. Phua Kai Lit
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 13:17:57

    Dear Dr Hsu

    Yes, agree with you totally.

    But what makes Green Parties unique is that they reject this
    view that mother nature and its resources are just for humans to
    “exploit” and “dominate” (comes from book of Genesis in the Bible and
    reinforced by capitalist maximise-growth-and-profits ideology, and also Marxism — especially in its Stalinist “drive for industralisation” variant).

    Somehow we have to turn to alternative views of the “good life” (more than just accumulation of material goods and throwing away things in a wasteful manner) and how to count national wealth. An example of the irrationality of conventional national income
    accounting like the GNP — opening up a polluting factory adds to “wealth”, cleaning up the environmental damage done by the factory also adds to “wealth”. Also, providing health and medical services to all the human bodies damaged by the pollution adds to the GNP !

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  30. Ellese
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 15:54:11

    To change ways of behavior must be by way of change in incentives and disincentives. People all ages from time immemorial react to this. To have a new GNP calculation is lauded but we must put in economics effect to affect the daily use. Polluter pay principle must be a backbone. Those who pollute more must pay more. And the system must discourage waste. This concept must be clear.

    This greenovent will invariably be in conflict with principles of sOcial justice. If we want to form a green party it must focus on green issues as a priority. We need a force to push this agenda. We don’t want a compromised agenda and get stuck to all these mess were in now. The competing force will play it’s part but as a society we will be inching towards environmental concern if we are focus.

    We should have green parties not for the sake of political power to go or not against bn/pr. But to push the environmental agenda forward for our future. There are major issues to tackle from cheap fuel source misallocation to free water to public transportation to lynas. The principles and the issue of balance are applicable throughout. Our problem is that we decide right or wrong based on who we support. we need To go beyond.

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  31. CYC
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 16:27:39

    In US, the top 1%’s wealth increased by 275% over last 30 years, while the poor only 18% over the same period. Mind u, it is less than 1% per annum. The same is happening all over the globe. So, what balancing act could be done? Throw out all the useless economic books and revisit socialism and give due credit where it is due.

    The real suckers were the middle class who keep silent on all those issues affecting them simply because status quo seems to be their comfort zone. In the end, their wealth only increased by 40% over 30 years even though they may have contributed much more. They are indeed the most foolish lot but procrastinate and pretend to be the king maker.

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  32. Dr Hsu
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 16:39:14

    CYC
    That is why Warren Buffet advocates taxing the rich more. . But the capitalists will say that if we tax the rich too much, it will blunt the urge to make more money, and there would be no incentives for people above certain income to work hard.. And the logic goes, if these people do not work hard, the economy would be affected since they are invariably some of the biggest employers in the market.

    Very few rich would be like Warren Buffet willing to part a high percentage of his worth for charity as well as taxation.

    There is yet an ideal system.BUt to me, the social democrats in Northern europe are doing quite welll

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  33. CYC
    Oct 28, 2011 @ 18:07:53

    “Very few rich willing to pay higher tax” What an illogical argument. How could the minority dictates how the policy be structured if the basic tenet of democracy where the principle of majority rules is still applicable? Based on the same logic, the middle class are not willing to pay taxes as the current rates as well. It seems the politicians really make a mockery of what democracy should be.

    Dr, I am of the opinion that socialism will make a come back very soon. The reason is simple as the Chinese saying “物极必反”. New or even old thought will make its appearance out of necessity or appropriate timing. We may still think democracy is the best system but in reality all systems has its weaknesses and subject to exploitations. The best example is manifested in our own country where every single govt agencies were used as tools to justify tyranny and corruptions.

    Yes, i do advocates the Scandinavian countries for a wonderful job. Unlike the No 1 fake democracy USA’s politics is full of shits and hypocrites. We don’t need US leadership to shape the world order but a balance and sustainable development model based on the Scandinavians.

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  34. Dr Hsu
    Oct 29, 2011 @ 11:38:07

    Confucius actually saw all these weaknesses of human beings as well as weaknesses in education system at his time.. He thus advocated morality as the central point of human existence. Some of his teachings were however, hijacked to suit dynastic needs .

    He stressed on morality, and he advocated : Li , meaning protocols how society should behave ( even the rulers must follow certain codes of ethics); Yi, relations between friends and righteousness; Lian, thrift ; Zhi, meaning shame..

    We have forgotten what shame is. If people are shameful, people would not resort to greed, or immoral behaviour that we see everyday.

    People would not have extra marital sex; would not cheat, would not gamble, would not resort ot drugs and so on… In the past, those who were schooled in confucianism would not even look at women who exposed themselves either intentionally or accidentally (Fei Li Wu xi).If this is practised now, there would not be any needs to censorship, people would just close their eyes when sex scenes were shown. Once there is no market for such things, no one would then produce these shows..

    People would not touch anything that did not belong to them.

    In the past, since education was not universal, those who really understoond and schooled in confucianism were few.. The majority of the populace learned one or two tenets and sometimes might have twisted the meanings and there were many beliefs coined by normal folks that were not reflective of real confucianism. These beliefs were from those who knew a little of the tenets and thus have twisted the real meanings.

    Now that we have universal education, we must stress on some of theses values, Li, Yi, Lian, Zhi.

    in one of the Shi Su (4Books), Li Ji 礼记,advocates Tian Xia Wei Gong (天下为公) , which means that “land below the heaven (the world) belongs to the public (the people)” .. That was more than 2000 years ago. So if a emperor is no good, people can overthrow the emperor.. That is why when we look at China and Japan, China has so many dynastic change whereas in Japan, the line-age of the emperor can be traced back to hundreds of years ago..

    From here, we can deduce that Confucianism is not blind loyalty to the ruling class, but rather it stresses on good governance of the ruling class, as they are answerable to the public (the people). If there is no good governance, people can take back the power since the world belongs to the people..

    If the whole world can be educated in certain aspects of morality as advocated in Confucianism, then the rich would automatically help the poor, the haves would take care of the havenots, there would be good governance, there would be good behaviour, and there would be little social problems..

    I am an idealist, so I believe that if all human can be educated in these tenets from small, the world would be a much better place,and we would have good people becoming good rulers.

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  35. Dr Hsu
    Oct 29, 2011 @ 13:09:19

    CYC

    I read in a Chinese daily the following about rich and poor in China:

    “Poor people are those who owe personal debts; rich people are those who owe institutional debts

    Poor people rear pigs; rich rears dogs

    Poor people use their wives as secretaries; rich people use secretaries as wives

    Poor people eat domesticated fowls; rich eat exotic wild animals

    Poor people plant padi; rich plant grass”

    Indeed the gag between the haves and havenots have widened.. The recent “Occupy” movements basically are calls for review of the economic system.

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  36. CYC
    Oct 29, 2011 @ 13:23:55

    Dr Hsu, now I understand why you are not welcomed in Gerakan. Most of the elites understood the ancient teaching of Confucius but they are the main culprits who were all out interprete it to suit their own needs and blindfold their followers vision. So, there left one golden rules which they adopted till end of the universe , ie 人不为己,天诛地灭。They presumed they are the smartest but so ignorant of the fact that their knowledge was limited to what was classified as 有漏智, something which is incomplete or failing to see things in their true nature/form. They certainly would not have the last laugh.

    四维不张,国将灭亡。We will witness this happen if we live long enough especially USA being one of the prime example.

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  37. cilipadi
    Oct 29, 2011 @ 13:27:00

    This is the same as what I stressed relentlessly
    MORALITY is important, especially in the case of politics

    Can we say Umno place the importance of morality in their set-up?
    Vote ABU, my Malay friends told me
    I can’t vote, you can

    Umno makan cili, Morality rasa pedas

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