An undeniable right

Article 119 of our Federal COnstitution states clearly that every citizen who has attained the age of 21 has a right to vote.

This is the principle of a one-man-one vote system.

So on this principle alone, whether the person is residing overseas or locally makes no difference to his or her right to vote. As long as that person is over 21 years of age, of sound mind and has not committed certain crimes , he or she must be allowed to vote.

The Election Commission is just a vehicle of the people entrusted  to effect that right and thus to oversee the process of election.

So for those Malaysians residing overseas, as long as they are still Malaysians, they should have the same right as those within the country.

There are of course many logistic consideration to allow Malaysians residing overseas to vote. But as other nations have done this, there is no reason why our Election Commission cannot follow suit. It should come out with a procedure to allow these citizens to vote.

A component party made a about turn on this, and now the top leaders said that the objections over overseas voting is the personal view of its representatives. It is indeed laughable, and Malaysians are not that stupid. It is like the No 2 leader blaming the board of directors of a hospital of misleading him when that hospital compound was hit with tear gas and water cannons in the July rally. He made a mistake of denying without getting the fact right, but apologies are beyond our politicians.  ANyway that is how high politicians’ ego can be: they must not be seen making a mistake.

The initial objection of that party must have something to do with the political inclinations of the overseas vote. Most of those residing overseas that I have talked to would have voted for change.

Many of these are students studying overseas, and among them are many who could not get into the courses of their choice and so have no choice but to opt for expensive overseas study;  in the process of studying,  most  would have finished off  all their parents savings.

Many work overseas. AMong them are people who would not have been able to achieve their potentials locally. Many stay behind because they seek the recognition that has or would have eluded them in Malaysia. Others could not get into the fields of their choice. Still others opt for the higher remuneration and better working and living conditions overseas.

ALl these people would have no qualms voting for change. ANd these are a sizeable group. I estimate there are at least a milllion Malaysians over 21 residing overseas.

My own graduating medical class in 1977 had 88 Malaysians out of 120, in the then University of Singapore. Only a handful came back. MAny have remained in SIngapore, and many moved to UK,  AUstralia, US and NZ. We are still in touch via emails. Most have become citizens of their residing places but there are still some who have remained loyal and are still Malaysians, even though they hold PR status of their residing countries. The same applies to my many high schools classmates who have stayed overseas many years but are still citizens.

Then there are those who started residing overseas in the  2000s. Among them are my children and most of these are still Malaysians, and most of these come back often to Malaysia during their holidays.

I have spoken to many of my children’s classmates, and as i have blogged before, none of them have come back, ( this may be peculiar to medicine, but I think few from other fields came back too). BUt most of them come back annually for holiday and most of them keep in touch with online media on what is happening in our country. Most are loyal citizens who have no choice but to work overseas. So who are we to deny them their rights when the right is enshrined in our constitution?

We cannot deny them this right to vote  just because this group has a higher tendency to vote for change. It is up to the government to court them and try to change their thinking, just like what the government should do with local voters.

95 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 16:03:47

    Chua Soi Lek and Najib know…90% will vote against BN.
    So…MCA Chua chosen to speak all sorts of cock and bull..why Oversea Malaysians cannot vote.
    Our good doctor and thousands have given their reason why they should be allowed to vote.
    Even Gerakan VP and MCA past president…all spoken against Chua.
    Well….if he feels no shame about his sex video shown all over the world like a porn star..and still craving for limelight and attentions…what can one say about such a man…but wait for 13th GE and use our votes to speak.
    If Ellese and anyone here…vote for BN…they are supporting porn movies.. a sex maniac…murderers and corruptions.
    Don’t tell me I am pushing my opinions to all throats..as if I am talking about my own opinions and all must follow.
    It is about people like Ellese and her children….how to live and work nobly and decently….and not show to her children…how to be cunning and selfish and carry balls to earn a living….depending who you know and not what you know.

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  2. klm
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 17:43:19

    Only a party president and his stooges with cow dung in their brain will say something stupid like this.

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  3. Ellese
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 18:09:28

    Dear dr,

    There is no undeniable right. This is one major thing that I disagree with ambiga and bersih.
    I object to allowing all malaysians overseas to have automatic registration. Any Malaysian who lives overseas must have a ‘stake’. In developed countries like in europe, NZ and even Singapore there is a residence requirement. In another debate I was informed that some country requires payment of tax. So those who have left us and care not about us at all and not contributing anything SHOULD not be entitled to vote. They must maintain at minimum some form of a prolong residence to vote. Our country must benefit from them and they must contribute back. This I am clearly objecting to ambigas ridiculous assertion.
    Two. Please note under article 24 we must be loyal to country and value being malaysians. Article 24 states that one who exercises the rights of another citizen in another country in particular the right to vote shall lose it’s entitlement to be a citizen of Malaysia. We must be proud to be Malaysian and hold steadfast to it. Those who spite Malaysia and so proud to be a citizen of another country and participate in their election should not be entitled to vote. Let them be proud of their new country. We should not be emboldened by them.

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  4. CYC
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 18:23:31

    As long as one still legally a Malaysian, he should have the right to vote. One would only lose his/her right to vote when he/she stopped to be a Malaysian constitutionally. Those residing in foreign countries may have contributed more than idiots who enriched themselves by stealing our nation wealth and those who lives by way “gaji buta”.

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  5. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 19:13:24

    Pass the buck and ignore the real reasons.
    Twist it…divert it…then come back to the subject…then say..why Ambiga is an idiot.
    Ellese cannot differentiate Malaysians working overseas ….holding Malaysian passport…and Malaysians giving up Malaysians citizenship..at all..or is she purposely trying to confuse others?

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  6. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 19:19:18

    Like what Ellese said.. …the Govt. better write to all Malaysians working overseas..come back after certain amount of years… or else.. their citizenship will be withdrawn.
    If Govt. is not doing that….why is Ellese always talking nonsense?

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  7. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 19:29:23

    Almost 70% went to Singapore to work.
    They do come back and vote mostly against BN.
    Chua knows it..Ellese knows it…Najib knows it.
    If they can vote…why not the other 30% around the world?
    All are known where are they by the Govt.
    Just post the election forms in advance…give deadline to full and post back…Govt keep those votes in trust…presuming they can be trusted…and not fool around with them. So cheap,..so easy…yet Chua made it look so difficult and not practical.
    hi..Ellese…voting rights cannot be interpreted to something else.
    You want to be like Chua Soi Lek….talking cock all the time?

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  8. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 19:37:45

    Ellese…read!!..”An undeniable right”…Doc’s headline to this post…with a fantastic write up.
    When have you ever agree with him 100%???
    Are you saying Doc is an idiot like Ambiga too?
    Start…”Dear dr,'”…..and insult his intelligence again.
    What a sickening BN propagandist you are.
    How much are you paid to talk like this …..over and over again?
    PS: I relax and wait for her replies.

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  9. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 22:25:15

    After so many hours Ellese… quiet as a mouse..yet she said she has met many like me in the streets and won all arguments.

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  10. cilipadi
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 22:47:02

    AP’s comments make sense this round
    (Actually is he like that? We know the answer)
    But, still full of mumblings
    Funny, a foreigner like myself chose to stay here
    But, cannot vote
    While many Malaysians not stay in Malaysia
    Have ‘undeniably right’ to vote
    But, deny to vote

    siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas

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  11. streetfighter
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 23:35:59

    If Malaysian residing abroad can’t vote and have no say about Malaysian affair,why do alien think he has his 2 cents worth to mumble much less as an arm critic chair?

    Kehpohchee nama cili,dia rasa perut sakit then lausai himself.

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  12. monsterball
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 23:44:29

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  13. Phua Kai Lit
    Nov 14, 2011 @ 23:54:30

    1. Remittances sent home by Overseas Malaysians
    benefit the Malaysian economy.

    2. The right to vote comes with citizenship.
    Overseas Malaysians must challenge their political disenfranchisement.

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  14. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 00:02:07

    Correct Phua and Indonesia received more than a billion remittance per year from Malaysia.
    That you can expect Chua Soi Lek and Ellese will ignore and talk something else.

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  15. streetfighter
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 00:06:05

    Yea..Prof,that’s the way to go with your gifted intellectual to enlighten all.

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  16. Ellese
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 06:38:39

    Let us see. If you’ve been staying overseas more than 7 years, not been back to the country even once, not repatriated any money’s or send any contribution back at all and never register before (coz not interested) can you vote if you’re nz citizen? No. Canadian? No. Singapore? No. What’s about US. Mainly no coz states require resIdence requirement. UK? Yes but not registered within 15 years – no.

    Ambiga? Bersih? Automatic. Everyone can vote even if he is a felon evading tax in Malaysia or a convict.

    Why are they thinking like this? Coz they think most overseas are against bn and for pr and can win for PR.

    We cannot do this. We must distinguish citizenship and voting. If you’re overseas too long and has no stake you should not be voting. residence requirement make sense. Need not be too long but long enough say 1/3 months within 3 years or 6 months within 7 years.
    Many I know who left took their money earned in Malaysia out. Not the other way around. Some don’t even care or support even for their parents here.
    So take a step back. There must be a stake. Don’t decide simply because you want pr to win. Politicians change rules so that they can win. Bn does this. So does pr ( see pkr and dap internal elections). We don’t need to follow them.

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  17. Ellese
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 07:00:49

    Dear M,

    Sometimes I pity you. You waited all day and night for me to reply while I keep doing my usual daily work and chores. And worse you get uptight by making personal attack for things you created yourself.
    I told you that I am not engaging you simply because you like to ramble aimlessly. Granted that you don’t read a lot but at least be focus. My children in primary school are taught to write the objective first followed by examples and then conclusion. You need to do this rather than jump from one point to another superficially. And when put in the corner you attack people personally with name calling.
    So debate with people like you is typically a no brainer. We just start with name calling. It’s a matter who is more creative. You’re fortunate dr hsu wants to maintain a certain standard of decorum here. He has been monitoring consistently and I will abide by it.
    So Grow up ( even though you’re old). Get a life. Spend time with family. No one else care about you in this world more than your family. And as for me, I will engage you once you drop this rambling character of yours. Till then, enjoy life.

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  18. aiz
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 07:21:35

    I am of the opinion that Article 119 should be read together with or in conjunction with Article 24.

    My feel is Malaysians who are on working attachment/assignments abroad and including students should be given the right to vote. PRs who work overseas but are paying Malaysian Income Tax should be allowed to vote.

    PRs who works overseas and voted in their adopted country and are paying income tax to their adopted country but did not pay any Malaysian Tax whatsoever, then the Malaysian government has the right to decline their request to vote.

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  19. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 09:30:59

    Reading the reply from Ellese…that needs long long hours to think…what to say..proves beyond any doubt she cannot debate nor argue to the point.
    ‘Sometimes I pity you”…one of a trademark idiotic low class insult.
    Now she said she will not debate with me…because I am low class…and Phua will not debate with her…because she is low class…and all classes are being insulted by Ellese. She even think she is smarter than Ambiga!!!
    A bn propagator she is….who has a bitchy mouth that can even bring her children in to support her nonsense.
    I am pushed to the corner by her???? That’s what she said!!
    I don’t know what corner she is talking about?
    I insult and debate….that’s me!!
    “Grow up”…”Get a Life”…those are standard insults .only to me.. from all BN propagandists….6 years ago..and on going….same old style…when they are hurt by the truths and cannot respond to your points.
    Just as I predicted….she will ignore and talk something else.

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  20. Dr Hsu
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 09:31:11

    If a Malaysian, lets call the person ellese, is overseas, but has registered to vote in his-her hometown, say Cheras, and he-she comes back during voting day to vote, there is nothing to ssstop he-she from doing so even if he-she has been residing overseas for more than 10 or 20 years.

    That is what my sister, a Malaysian residng in Singapore for more than 20 years (she pays tax to Singapore as well as malaysian authority too), has been doing.

    That is what many malaysians in Singapore, Thailand, Hong Kong have been doing (there is at least one i know of–my brother inlaw is an aeronautical engineer based in Hong Kong).

    As long as there is no law differentiating Malaysians abroad and malaysians here, and everyone carries the same category of passport, overseas voting is just an extension to facilitate voting, so that these overseas Malaysians do not have to pay hefty airfare to come back to vote. This is to save their money, and most of these Malaysians, like my children, send money back and their contribution to our economy is no smaller than those who pay tax here, no to mention the millions here who do not pay tax.. Their remittance helps to balance our current account and helps to ensure the strength of our currency.

    Unless there is a discriminating law in force, differentiating Malaysians overseas and here, no Malaysians, whether local or overseas, should lose their right to vote, just like no Malaysian should lose their right of protection by our foreign missions if they are unlawfully held overseas, whether residing there or travelling.And that is part of the reasons why countries set up missions overseas.

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  21. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 09:50:19

    aiz….A person holding a Malaysian passport…he/she has equal rights…no class distinctions…at all.
    Don’t let dirty politics control you….fight it and be totally free.
    Chua Soi Lek knows BN cannot benefit from votes cast by Malaysians working overseas…..and so he came out with a cock and bull comment…to make an issue out of no issue.
    Ellese is doing that too.
    You are weighing the pros and cons.
    No need la.
    I repeat all Malaysians carrying Malaysian passport equal to all….no matter where they are.
    BN need to find ways and means to stop others voting against them with all sorts on stupid reasons..cannot vote…and will protect rapists…murderers….con men..crazy nuts….when all supporting them.
    It’s all political jargons…to pass away time…doing nothing..paid by tax payers.

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  22. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 09:56:03

    Doc….please keep talking like that to let readers know the truths.
    13th GE is near..
    We must never allow BN propagandists poison young minds.

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  23. Wave33
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:08:52

    I would say some of the commentators is having a siege mentality, fearful UMNO will loose its cash cow in the coming GE13. They will defend to the end of the world with their blind partisan mentality. Who is foolish enough to let the cash cow escape from your ranch. I wish sometimes, I can empathise with these blind partisan mentality people for loosing the cash cow. But… my patriotic desire to defend my beloved Tanah Melayu from the looters of UMNO takes precedence from being empathy. So be prepare to loose your cash cow. I am not allowing these UMNO’s blind supporters branding Tanah Melayu as a cash cow, I want onwership, I want voting rights, I want Malaysia to be free from these looters. I want Malaysia for Malaysian NOT UMNO.

    Rights of citizens to vote is challenge by these these siege mentality commentators whether by their own doing or being paid to do so. Conditions to vote is even implemented, that is outrages. Only those residing in Malaysia is allowed to vote?

    Just for argument sake (don’t bash me for it). The military should be prevent from voting while in service. When you are in military, you are not suppose to think, you are to follow orders in the battlefield. We have plenty of coups or attempted coups in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia. This is because military is involves with politics. Military personal is only allowed to vote once they leave the military. That is why we have assimilation programme for all military personals before going back to society. Did ask yourselves, why they need assimilation programme?

    As I said, just for argument sake. Which condition is much more critical?

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  24. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:18:51

    Doc’s advise…”Talk till you drop dead”…I will.
    Let those grumblers grumble and insult me…who cares.

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  25. Dr Hsu
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:34:56

    A Malaysian working in other country but contributing to human kind and make a good name for malaysia, is actually contributing to Malaysia.

    Just like the person who invented the pen drive. He makes a name not only for himself but for Malaysia as well.

    There are many well known Malaysians holding important positions in universities, corporations and industries worldwide.

    Even those who are not well known, but holding a job and doing it well either locally or overseas , and showing to the world how hardworking Malaysians can be, are contributing to Malaysia. They are better than some local malaysians who are corrupted and abusing the system and yet are allowed to escape the law scot free.

    Contribution, in a globalised world, can be many forms, and we should not be so narrow-minded as to limit their contribution by creating borders.. The world, like it or not is becoming borderless.

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  26. Dr Hsu
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:40:58

    Election can be anytime now.. If the authority does not allow overseas voting, I would like to call upon Malaysians overseas to travel back here and vote ( for those who have registered ).. Just take it as a holiday to visit your parents , relatives and friends and at the same time, vote.

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  27. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:42:33

    Doc is going to talk till he drop dead too.
    That’s good…teach others and doing what he teaches.
    Both of us can drop dead SMILING….Doc..proud to be Malaysians.

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  28. streetfighter
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:47:11

    Give her some allowance to catch up la.Another two of yours are off side judged by cili and Rhan.Will see the score further from here.

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  29. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:54:33

    I heard some Malaysian women pregnant overseas…rush back to give birth to here…to make sure the baby is Malaysian like the parents.
    If not allowed to vote….why must parents do that?

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  30. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 10:59:38

    hi…..Streetfighter…you pity Ellese ar?
    You think she will leave you alone?
    She will come back…sooner or later…to talk nonsense again.
    Now she needs to insult few….not me alone..especially you…giving her “O”..so insulting.

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  31. streetfighter
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:03:45

    All she needs is sensible and logic input then she will earn her scores.

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  32. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:10:20

    Doc…I can drop dead after 13th GE..if that’s what God wants.
    You must talk .talk ..talk…for 14th..15th ..16th GE…17th …to make sure PR keep their promises.
    After that relax and stay healthy…no more talk…just talk with your vote.
    Your job is done.
    StreetFighter takes over.

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  33. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:17:02

    StreetFighter…You dare call Ellese not sensible?
    Giving her “O” is insulting enough. Now you say she is senseless..worst than useless…or mumbling.
    More like a zombie…a nut case.
    Asking for trouble..you are going to get it.
    I am good in fanning….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  34. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:23:20

    Malaysians working in different countries responded to BERSIH 2 by demonstrating too.
    If not allowed to vote….why do they demonstrate….busybody ar?
    Streetfighter…what is my score now?

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  35. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:30:19

    I mean in Australia…England…Canada….to name a few..far far away…and of course…in Singapore too.
    At least 90% working overseas have an axe to grind with BN.
    Chua is really a sinking shit person…..so is Ellese.
    StreetFighter…got score or not?

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  36. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:32:31

    oopppp!.3!!….hatrick at last..
    Rest now….mission accomplished.

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  37. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:42:25

    Doc needs only to put out one…and he scores.
    I have to put out three or four to score one.
    His brain is much better…but I work harder.

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  38. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:53:51

    Govt send sampans….boats..helicopters.. and planes to carry jungle people to vote in Malaysia. Very costly assignments….yet they do that.
    They know how important votes are….and they know the are carrying BN voters.
    For decades never care to solve voting inconveniences and difficulties working overseas…why?
    Because they KNOW…these voters will vote against them
    Streetfighter….score or not?

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  39. cilipadi
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:58:29

    The Pariahment is dissolved.
    You believe? You aware?

    Pariahment makan cii, 13th GE rasa pedas

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  40. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 12:01:17

    Sleepyhead score keeper.
    Actually Ellese is the main attraction here.
    When she talk nonsense…..all are interested to battle her….because she brags…how smart she is.

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  41. sally
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 13:02:33

    It is not a simple issue. Let’s not focus on winning or losing the GE13 for a minute. We must admit that there are many Malaysian expatriates who have the intention of leaving Malaysia for good but did not change their PR status for citizenship of their adopted country. Moreover, some country like America allows dual citizenship; so many Malaysians have Malaysian-American citizenship. I can see a couple of issues here, i.e. loyalty to and participation in the development of our country. Thus, this is provided and captured in Article 24. Another thing is the cost to provide the facilities for 1,000,000 plus Malaysians overseas to vote.

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  42. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 14:52:32

    It is a simple issue made difficult by the Govt..for the are in two minds.
    Presuming anyone leaving with two minds is not good enough.
    Prove it. I know many leave and gave up Malaysia citizenship too….and those are prepared not to vote at all.
    But one leave out of no choice….holding back Malaysian citizenship is not unpatriotic or selfish.
    One must ask one’s self…why do they leave in the first place?
    Lets talk about that…”Why do Malaysians leave Malaysia…for greener pastures or for a job t feed family?”
    Do you know…they go to wash dishes at Australia…leaving their children in Malaysia….to earn a living and some are graduates..with degrees..why???
    Because UMNO b keep playing double standards and employ vast majority Malays….even lowly educated ….or the said lowly educated Malays become the boss of Chinese….bringi8ng down the quality of management..the don’t care.frustrating the Chinese.
    Stop talking about this or that article…when Mahathir can change all article and Constitutions to encourage corruptions ..race and religion politics…..so much so…even the little power the Rulers had….he made sure are taken away…and all listen to him…no power…for 22 years..

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  43. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 15:10:48

    The subject is…”Can Oversea Malaysians vote?”
    Chua Soi Lek said..no…and gave his reasons.
    Now that’s to the point….not talk this or that article.
    And we know his point are fired left and right…by Gerakan and even MCA past President…forgetting Oppositions.
    Like Doc said….13th election is near.
    They will loose more if we talk corruptions .. double standards..many more.
    So hudud created and overseas Malaysians …all diverting from the main issue…yet not one is getting more votes for BN.
    Ask yourself….why is Najib so silent over so many issues have loggerheads and quarrels…never step in like a People PM…or even a PM for selected people…why so silent?
    So all BN propagandists shout as much as you like.
    Sitting on the fence trying hard to calm all….and who knows whom will they vote for?
    We….the FOR or AGAINST…have no two minds.
    That is exactly what BN is afraid of…..firm and committed to vote for change.
    Chua keep trying luck..even utter majority Malaysians Chinese are supporting MCA.
    He simply forgotten MCA was voted out completely by Malaysian Chinese at 12th GE.
    This is BN politicians mentalities and behaviors.
    We also see it at Ellese.

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  44. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 15:17:37

    I think StreetFighter love badminton alot.
    The way he keep scores…indicate that…he is a fair referee….no taking bribes. .
    Should be chosen to keep score in Olympic..next year….but cilipadi can make him angry….loosing the chance.

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  45. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 15:27:11

    Doc better prepare a trophy.. saying…’Best Commentator” and present to me…if he recognizes StreetFighter scoring in his blog.
    Another..”Worst Commentator” and he sure knows who to present it to.
    But this is only one post…what about others…where I may score O???…i don’t know.

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  46. Phua Kai Lit
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 15:46:23

    My guess is that many of the Overseas Malaysians will be very happy to
    travel to the Malaysian Embassy or Malaysian High Commission in London or Washington, DC or Paris or Beijing etc to cast their vote in the upcoming General Election if they are allowed to do so.

    Other possibilities — postal vote, even “early vote”.

    This is how Australia does it:

    http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/ways_to_vote/

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  47. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 16:03:05

    If Phua keep talking like this..one small comment..so effective can score two points…with one comment and two or three more comments…the trophy is his.

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  48. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 16:26:02

    God forbids Azizah be like Rosmah.
    God forbids our Govt to fool around with voters.
    But God never take sides in politics nor speak out his likes and dislikes.
    However…you can see the signs are there..and God give signs only…no talk.
    When a person about to be executed…holy person give the last rites..praying to God to forgive his sins.
    Najib and Rosmah went to God’s house to ask for forgiveness…for all their sins.
    Depriving voters rights is very sinful.
    Employing idiots to be bosses over intelligent Malaysians…very sinful.
    Keep feeding making Malaysians lazy and stupid…no need to work…pay salaries from tax payer’s money…doing nothing..very sinful.
    Many more…including murders and stealing from the poor.
    Now……VOTES matter most…People Power awakened…and here we have some idiots trying so hard to convince readers why overseas Malaysians cannot vote,
    What a bunch of craps.

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  49. Ellese
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 20:36:33

    Dear all,

    Not many know of article 24 of our constitution which we must uphold. Many overseas Malaysian actually voted in other jurisdictions either due to ignorance or willingly become part of citizens of another country. I can understand blind followers like monsterball n streetfighter being ignorant of this, but can’t accept ambiga disregard of this.

    Apart from Aiz n sallys valid concerns there are huge logistical issue for political parties. It is intrinsic in our current voting process political parties be witness to the actual voting exercise and has a right to object if found wanting. As rightly pointed out by both we must provide logistics all over the world otherwise rendering such right to vote ineffective. Thus you see in developed countries the extensive right of postal voting as referred to by phua.

    This is where again I’m very critical of ambiga on postal voting. Overseas the concept is that one can vote in attendance or by postal votes. Thus if I don’t want to vote on polling date due to any reason I can opt for postal vote. The concept is everyone must get a ballot paper and once entitled can do with it as it wishes. Some countries even allow proxies. Principle is one man/woman one vote.

    So in our case instead of curtailing our postal voting we should allow more people to vote by postal voting. But ambiga out of partisanship I believe do the opposite.

    In brief, the way forward is this: we have to allow more overseas voters to vote. But it cannot be an unfeterred qualification. We can be guided by residence requirement or article 24 of our constitution ( which we must uphold) or other “stakes” such as repatriation or taxes. We should then expand postal voting rights rather than restricting it. And postal voting must be allowed to those overseas and locals. Otherwise it’s a double standard.

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  50. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 22:23:22

    I told you….she will come back ..with her usual nonsense.
    Now..it is a matter of….are we in the mood to enjoy her stupidity or ignore her.
    Who cares who she accepts ..reject..approve or what and why.
    Who does she think she is….Rosmah maid in waiting?
    Unbelievable…..Ambiga..the decorated lawyer..recognized as a greatest NGO…..is not spared.
    We are partisan….she is not..forgetting what Doc.Hsu accused and labelled her.
    Husband must be out…….lonely …lonely….need someone to talk….need attention.

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  51. streetfighter
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 22:41:17

    Ellese,are you that ignorant or mere too slow to understand what Dr Hsu,Prof Phua and monsterball had already put out the substantiated points where why oversee Malaysians should be allowed to vote.Yet you still desperately need people to answer your this and that nonsensical views.If not enough,you will try to divert something else to propagate BN’s feel good factors.I suggest you reread the comments put out by Dr Hsu,Prof Phua and monsterball as above and reinstate your thought about them.Dont twist and divert to something else again or no one will bother your lonely soul.

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  52. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 22:51:19

    Postal votes…so easy…post the forms…with planes carrying the forms…no need Ellese to told nonsense about logistic problems.
    Malaysians are all in big cities all over the world…not in war zone areas.
    Even in Alaska…we see truck drivers….delivering goods..with no logistic problems.
    And today…delivery boys are call “Logistic Representative”…experts in deliveries.
    Ellese has nothing to say…except this cannot do …..that cannot do…creating imaginary problems out of no problem.
    StreetFighter….any score?

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  53. streetfighter
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 23:04:35

    Postal votes has its pros and cons.Do we trust our postal votes?Remember the ex-service armforces were told to cheat on the postal ballots.No postal votes for local except oversee Malaysians.

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  54. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 23:09:02

    She needs panadol.
    I will talk till I drop dead to her….Doc’s order.

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  55. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 23:15:08

    That is another story…StreetFighter.
    If they want to cheat….not so easy now..not like before…because UMNO b members are very divided…who is a spy…Najib also don’t know.
    However…you are right….no local postal vote…except..overseas OK.
    All passports and details kept clearly.
    Hanky panky by donkies and monkies…very easy to expose them

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  56. streetfighter
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 23:17:02

    Correction:No postal votes for local service men except oversee Malaysians.

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  57. monsterball
    Nov 15, 2011 @ 23:40:20

    Answer to an article..don’t be parrots…don’t be pr stooges…overseas voters must guarantee this and that..before overseas voters can vote.
    Ambiga..a great Freedom Fighter..decorated and well respected all over the world…is not spared. She also attack her.
    Will Ellese dare to face Ambiga and talk like that?

    Use your imaginations.

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  58. Steven Tan
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 01:42:26

    Only those who pay taxes should be allow to vote! Wouldn’t this be a fair solution to our conundrum? This way we could establish a Malaysia-in-overseas fund to help pay down our debt! *Moooooo*

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  59. Ellese
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 05:13:35

    To the ignorant pr stooge of monsterball and streetfighter

    Please google up postal voting of Switzerland, UK, vote by mail US system etc etc. What I’ve described is what is done oversees many many times.
    Anyway your suggestion for postal voting for overseas malaysians and not locals are pure idiotic. No one country discriminate it’s citizen like that. Anyway going by your logic, if you have many concerns on local postal voting by bn, if we have overseas postal voting which cannot be witnessed by political parties all over the world, would there not be more unverified and challengeable postal votes than now? So don’t be stupid. If you agree with phua you must necessarily adopt liberal demOcracies pOstal voting manner.

    In all postal votes concept and method practiced worldwide it does not matter how the vote is used. What matters is everyone has a ballot. Thus I can ask for postal vote. If I don’t have it I can complain. But once I have it it’s up to me to use it. I can vote my self, or ask my mother or father to mark and post it or I can even ask my dog to do it ( if it can mark properly).
    So ambiga was wrong. The way forward must be to expand postal voting. It’s not wrong for our servicemen to ask some other people to vote. It’s wrong if they want to vote and didn’t get the ballot. There’s where our problem is. Ambiga knows this. But because servicemen are against pr, pr wants to wipe this out. This is wrong. What we should do is for spr to provide easy independent mechanism to complain for not obtaining the ballot paper.
    I want an option not to queue or vote on that voting day. I want an option where I can vote in my free time and do other things on that day. I want an option that if I can’t vote I’ll ask my family to mark and post it for me. This is available n practiced elsewhere in the world. I want that option.

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  60. Ellese
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 05:41:10

    I seldom do this. But this came from a strident anti government critic Bakri Musa which was eloquently written.

    “Malaysians abroad are misguided and plain wrong in agitating for exercising their right to vote in Malaysian elections.

    I can the see the validity for students, diplomats and others on temporary assignment abroad demanding such rights, but then they already have them. For others, especially those who have acquired permanent resident status elsewhere, their clamor for retaining their right to vote in Malaysian elections is misplaced for at least three major reasons.

    The first and most important is that since they do not live in Malaysia, they would not have to bear the burden of the consequences of their voting decision. Second, those Malaysians are essentially seeking representation without taxation; that is presumptuous. Third, since they had sought permanent residency status abroad, their focus should now be to prove to their new host country that they are deserving of such a status. Meaning, they should focus their attention, indeed loyalty, to their new adopted land.

    My last reason is not major but merely financial. There are considerable added costs to have Malaysians abroad vote in Malaysian elections; I would rather have the government spend that money and resources in Malaysia.

    Elections Have Consequences

    For an action to be meaningful its consequence must affect the participants, otherwise the exercise is merely academic or worse, a game. It may be a fun game for those abroad to vote in Malaysian elections, but for the locals who have to live with the consequences, it would not be so. In short, Malaysians abroad participating in Malaysian elections are engaged in a fraudulent act besides muddying the waters for the “natives” who have to live with the results.

    It is also the height of presumptuousness for those residing abroad to seek political representation but at the same time dispensing with paying their share of the costs, meaning, Malaysian taxes. Americans abroad have a right to vote not only because of the fact that they are citizens, but also because they are taxed on their worldwide income. An American may earn her entire income in Malaysia and in ringgit, nonetheless she still has to pay her share of income tax to Uncle Sam as if she had earned that income stateside. So I can see her demanding her right to vote and that the American embassy provides her the necessary facility so she can readily exercise that right.

    Malaysians abroad in contrast do not pay any Malaysian income tax, unless they have Malaysian sources of income, and those Malaysians already retain their right to vote. If the rallying cry of those original New England “Tea Party” colonists back in the 17th Century was “No taxation without representation,” today we have Malaysians abroad who pay no Malaysian tax yet perversely are demanding their right for representation without taxation. Absurd if not arrogant!

    The Election Commission’s retort to them should be, paraphrasing the famous words of John Hampden uttered at the height of the English Civil War, what a Malaysian abroad has no right to demand, their home government has a right to refuse.

    Malaysians abroad on permanent residency visas should not seek or be given the right to vote in Malaysian elections because they have essentially decided that there is no hope for them in Malaysia. If they were to harbor any sliver of hope for change, then they would have stayed behind and agitated for change from there, where their efforts would have the potential of having the greatest impact.

    Besides, having made the emotionally wrenching decision to emigrate, their main focus now should be to adjust to that decision and make the best of it. Thus they should endeavor to plant roots in their new adopted community, be an active and contributing member, and not be bothered with matters (especially political ones) they left behind.

    If they should be clamoring for any voting rights, it should be for the right to vote in the affairs of their new community, if for no other practical reason than that those decisions will now directly impact them.

    If after adjusting well in their new adopted community, these émigré Malaysians still retain a reservoir of goodwill and gratitude for their homeland and wish to contribute, then there are other more productive avenues to do so than to agitate for the right to vote in Malaysian elections.”

    As I said, there must be a “stake”.

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  61. aiz
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 07:11:35

    “Malaysians abroad on permanent residency visas should not seek or be given the right to vote in Malaysian elections because they have essentially decided that there is no hope for them in Malaysia. If they were to harbor any sliver of hope for change, then they would have stayed behind and agitated for change from there, where their efforts would have the potential of having the greatest impact.”

    I believe that’s a fair comment from Bakri Musa.

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  62. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 07:47:35

    Here we go again.
    hi …my suggestion of a postal voting agreed by Streetfighter maybe not feasible but certainly not idiotic.
    Professor Phua gave two other options and there are 3 suggestions given.
    Naturally all are idiots to you…including Ambiga.
    There is no doubt you are an unhappy bitch….blaming everyone…doing your job at 5.30a.m…..and you need to wake up very early…..a miserable life… getting ready to send kiddies to school..day in day out..
    Sound like a divorcee life you are going through….which a smart man will do that and you are such an unbelievable itchify bitch…that you need to prove you are an excellent BN propagandist with your mouth…and what else??…”under secret document room”…ghosts only know.
    I challenge any man want a wife like you…reading your bragging…twisting and thick skin….being told off so many times by so many here….go away..and come back…talk cock and bull again.
    By the way you talk….I think you love talking postal vote…..Ellese way…or no way….all are idiots.
    “As I said, there must be a “stake”.”
    UMNO b ..your almighty Lord have developed that art of talking when you still cannot differentiate …a tootsie and a pussy.
    You sure need to hate Ambiga like hell….for she is making your miserable life more miserable….come 13th GE…and then…you may actually need to be a maid overseas.to support your children and taste the medicine you are condemning.
    Here is your pattern of life…
    1.14th{Mon}….around 5.30 am….talk cock and bull.
    What happen to week-ends? No service…gone to the zoo with children..
    2. 15th{Tues}…..again…around 5.30 am…talk till 7am…send kids to school and she to Govt office for work.
    3. 15th….8pm!!… lonely lonely…talk nonsense again….until, maid put children to sleep…go look for anyone in pubs wanting free milk….as sell.no one wants.
    PS: Sherlock Holmes cannot do better…..hahahahahahahahaha

    .

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  63. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 08:37:40

    From postal matters…quoting this…quoting that history…. starts again.
    She love to quote all sorts of her text book things….and say I don’t read like her….I am less educated and so….is an idiot….not her…she is too smart for me.
    I own a factory employing hundreds.. and managing dozens like her…
    for 4 decades.
    So are many thousands less educated Malaysians doing same thing.
    Is she blind???
    We are self made…engineers….lawyers…economists…experts in finance matters…and now..IT knowledge….all self studied…but not medical. That we lieave to doctors to take care of us.
    Besides that…lots and lots of daily life needs and wants….like religion and who are we.
    Does Ellese know more than me?….not in a million years.
    Challenging me for a debate..backed off..but talk postal votes…OK…because it is a subject she can use her text books to brag and divert attentions.
    Putting out…..all no values to Malaysians.
    We are fighting for justice and fair to all Malaysians..using postal votes as an example. …but she is using it to support Chua Soi Lek..even insulting Malaysia’s greatest Freedom Fighter….decorated and recognized all over the world..not important…Chua is smarter. What a low class BN propagandist she is.
    No words can describe Ellese.
    She is more than a bn propagandist.
    In real life away from work…she is simple a very lonely itchy bitch.
    Dr. Hsu had exposed her. She is avoiding him…but does not realize….her comments are indirectly insulting the good doctor too.
    Asking for trouble…or seeking for attentions?….you decide.
    I say…she blame the whole world for her miserable life.

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  64. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 08:53:05

    Someone has created a first class FI awards for UMNO b crooks.
    Not F I …racing cars award.
    That should also be awarded to Ellese too…..a first class F….ing Idiot award.

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  65. HuaYong
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 08:55:13

    I agree with sally this is a complicated issue and may take more time to resolve, I too agree with ellese that there must be a ‘stake’, but I think ‘stake’ require profound clarification and definition. For instance I take aiz pasted comment by B.Musa, I don’t know if the conclusion that “Malaysians abroad on permanent residency visas should not seek or be given the right to vote in Malaysian elections because they have essentially decided that there is no hope for them in Malaysia” do make sense or not, what fact does B.Musa possess to support his statement beside looking himself in the mirror?

    Ellese, I don’t think it is fair to say Ambiga is wrong by the fact that most overseas Malaysian will vote PR, this itself is an partisan view don’t you think so? Ambiga makes a stance which some of us disagree, and that is fine, in fact who could guarantee overseas Malaysian will definitely vote PR all their life? They may change their mind if there is a change of government, who knows? But I agree we shall refer to article 24, and examine ‘stake’ in a more thorough manner, like I said this is a complicated issue.

    PS/ Hsu, I use HuaYong from now onwards so I don’t have to keep on changing the name. Thanks, Rhan.

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  66. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 09:49:47

    Mydin said..out of 11 items brought out by Tony Pua to expose his so call..”I Malaysia ” stores are selling substandard products..imported from China..repack and label them..only i item Tony is right.
    10 he is wrong.
    Tony reply with more items to expose….cheap things are no good and good things are not cheap..with Nurul helping him to show the products…both smiling.
    hi….idiotic Ellese….shall we debate…”Cheap things are never good and good things are never cheap?”..if you wish to keep avoiding CORRUPTIONS….which all Malaysians are interested to know…..not Oversea voters rights only…which we know…have been controlled for decades.
    Never mind….PR looses few hundred votes for decades.
    We can accept the lost.,…but not phantom votes and frauds.
    Do that..just watch Ambiga goes into action.

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  67. HuaYong
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 10:05:16

    I don’t really grasp what is Overseas Malaysian with PR, can he vote in his adopted country? Most probably no. Does he/she have a choice to move back to Malaysia? I think so. What if he/she own properties in Malaysia, his/ her family, relative and friends are still in Malaysia, would all this constitute to ‘stake’? i too think so. If student and diplomat can vote, it seem cost and logistic is not an issue. On postal vote, i agree we must consistence in our approach.

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  68. CYC
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 12:16:18

    As long as you are a Malaysian by constitution, you right to vote must be protected. Otherwise, there will be categorization or grading in our citizenship if the so called “stake” were taken into consideration to determine the eligibility to vote. You either recognize him/her as a citizen or otherwise. There should not any case of in between. Period.

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  69. Phua Kai Lit
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 13:54:47

    Yes, CYC

    Except perhaps for those Indonesians, Bangladeshis and Filipinos who have been given fast-track citizenships in preparation for the next GE?
    Of course, our pro-BN friends here on this blog will defend (to their deaths) the right of these new Malaysians to vote. They will also guarantee the loyalty of these new Malaysians. After all, isn’t it wonderful to be a citizen of this country which is ruled by a generous PM and enlightened govt that is willing to distribute RM 100 to
    each of its school children irrespective of race, gender, religion, economic situation etc (sexual orientation too)? The Brazilizan govt’s Bolsa Familia programme only gives money to poor families and poor kids. Our govt gives to all, no questions asked! No quid pro quo too !

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  70. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 14:02:26

    CYC…you keep telling them..Ellese will keep twisting…quoting this or that article.quoting history and quoting anything from her text book knowledge.
    I hope Doc speak till he drop dead too…leadership by example and not let Ellese do as she likes ..using this blog to promote BN.
    Phua must help too.
    It is not about ignoring a fool.
    Since after 13th GE…ignoring allows BN propagandists ..the upper hand to influence young voters…..still learning.
    Even though hearts are all set to vote for change….it is people like Ellese…Sally..azi…that may succeed to influence weak minds.
    Therefore…Phua’s knowledge can battle Ellese anytime.
    She is attacking me….because he knows I speak the language…man in the streets understands..so much so…”cilipadi” have been trying following me for 6 years… insulting me…spreading rumors…and hope to upset me to be banned…which he does not mind…getting ban himself too.
    That is his mission….now quiet down…because streetfighter is protecting me.
    I will again leave for few days..that is…more than two days…is few days…in case the experts in English cannot understand English.
    See you soon.

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  71. Phua Kai Lit
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 14:05:46

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/general/2011/04/20114483425914466.html

    Watch “Absolute Power” (with Old Horse in mind) and “The People Want” segments.

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  72. CYC
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 14:23:43

    The only undeniable right that exists in Malaysia is “Its the discretion of the power to be to decide what constitute a wrong doing where courts just need to dispense the decided verdict”.

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  73. Dr Hsu
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 14:56:00

    There are many political and business leaders in Malaysia presently holding PR status of other countries. Some years back, a lady minister was defending her PR status by saying that she needs it for her children.

    Many Malaysians are working overseas not by choice but because of circumstances. Many are PR holders just to avoid the hazzle of having to apply for work permits and entry permits annually. Many of these PR holders did not apply for citizenship of their countries of residences because they want to be Malaysians, even when they are eligible for such citizenship..

    . Just like there are some British nationals who have been residing in Malaysia for many decades, and returning to Britain only on retirement.( This was common in the 60s 70s 80 and even 90s. )

    How are we to separate those local Malaysians holding PRs overseas, and those overseas Malaysians holding PRs? If we disallow Malaysians holding pR overseas from voting, how about those local Malaysians holding PRs overseas? How to categorise them? And then there are those who have been residing in Singapore for more than 20-30 years , are Singapore PRs but still come back to vote everytime there is elections, like my sister? How to stop these people from voting since they are already registered to vote long time ago, in their previous area of residence?

    As I have mentioned, we just cannot disallow overseas MalAysians from voting if there is no discriminating laws or rules that differentiate them .

    FYI, those overseas Malaysians holding PR status are not eligible for many of the rights of their citizens, like voting. Like I was told by a friend in melbourne , that he applies for PR status because otherwise he cannot buy a landed property (he told me that non PR holders can only buy new properties in the form of apartments).

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  74. Phua Kai Lit
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 15:24:40

    Yes, I was a PR of the USA back in the 1990s
    (my then wife was an American).

    Now, I’m back here in Malaysia — and my loyalty to Malaysia
    has not been diminished even one bit.

    My prediction is that a lot of “disloyal” Overseas Malaysians will return home to
    Malaysia once the regime changes and we start dismantling this system of semi-apartheid that brings shame to our country.

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  75. Dr Hsu
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 15:34:25

    One of the reasons many BN people objected to let overseas Malaysians to vote is that they think these people are pro-opposition.

    But looking at long term, maybe this election they may be proPR but in the next election, they may be overwhelming for BN if PR wins and then does not govern well.

    Like now in Taiwan, Ma Yin Jiu ‘ s rating has gone down, and DPP may even win the next round, like a pendulum swing..

    So the inclination of the votes should not be a reason to bar them from voting.. because inclination changes according to governance.

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  76. JYC
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 16:42:49

    Those overseas PRs who sends monies back home to Malaysia on a monthly basis are stakeholders too, to some degree in my opinion . Everytime the price of kembong fish or chicken rises, the energy bill rises or the interest rate rises, these overseas PR would have to send additional funds back home to the already substantial amounts being sent. They may not pay taxes directly but indirectly they contributed to the taxes that is going into govt coffers. Are we beginning to see a similar situation like those in the Philippines where a large amount of the country’s income is derived from those overseas workers?
    Quote from Bakri’s “Malaysians abroad on permanent residency visas should not seek or be given the right to vote in Malaysian elections because they have essentially decided that there is no hope for them in Malaysia. If they were to harbor any sliver of hope for change, then they would have stayed behind and agitated for change from there, where their efforts would have the potential of having the greatest impact”
    – This does not make any sense at all, Bakri lives and work in the US and I bet he is US PR. But isn’t he someone who aspire for a better Malaysia therefore hopes to “agitate” a change by writing what he writes in his blog? I bet he sends monies back home too. Not everyone who lives in Malaysia is itching to agitate for a change and just as well, not everyone of those overseas PR are sitting on their arse not giving a damn about Malaysia.

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  77. sally
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 17:23:05

    As I say it Doc.. it is not a simple issue. If this is a constitutional law exam question, how would a law student answer it? One student would argue that that point of law as unconstitutional because it is an infringement of a fundamental right. Another student would argue in the alternative that the law is constitutional even under the strict scrutiny test. As you have correctly put it Doc… depending on the situation, it could be a benefit and also a liability.

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  78. Ellese
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 21:31:35

    Dear Hua Yong,

    First, I can agree with you that it’s not justifiable for me to call ambiga partisan based on overseas voters argument. I have jumped a bit as I derived my conclusion based on other points made by ambiga. I’ll probably explain later when we touch on a few items of bersih’s and ambigas demands.

    Thanks for putting up article 24. Essentially as a citizen we must be loyal to our country in that we must not exercise the rights afforded as citizens in another country. It makes it clear that once you vote in another country your citizenship can be deprived. This is the constitutional value we’ve agreed upon.

    In determining a stake I thought this value is crucial and must be considered. If one cannot abide by this value one should not be entitled to vote.

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  79. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 22:03:47

    I need to break my promise….because Ellese is involving Dr.Hsu with the very same tactic she uses all the time…asking permissions to use foul language..knowing Doc will never respond.
    So I will respond.
    First and foremost…I am not making remarks to ALL mothers. I am talking .only about YOU..
    You have said you met many like me in the streets.
    How do those many in the streets talk to you?
    With that experiences why do you need to ask permission?
    If Doc can approve my comments…surely you can do the same….and same goes for your ever faithful assistant.
    Your insults are equally vulgar…..with no vulgar words needed.
    I can do that also…but not to you.
    Please leave Doc away from this nonsense..and you and Rhan can do your worst.

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  80. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 22:08:04

    Ellese have hundreds of employees under her….WORKING for someone.
    I had hundreds working for me..only me.
    You can see she does not know how to differentiate bosses too.
    Why then she thinks she is smarter than Ambiga?

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  81. monsterball
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 22:12:56

    Got to leave for more than 2 days as promised….starting now.
    Ellese..please concentrate insulting me and don’t try to embarrass Doc anymore.

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  82. sally
    Nov 16, 2011 @ 22:49:59

    Hi Rhan,

    It is just a general statement from me and not specifically on Art 24. One can argue that the EC has violated one’s constitutional rights under Art 119. One can argue that it is a duty on the EC to facilitate casting of votes by Malaysian Overseas. One can argue that Malaysian Overseas are qualified to be postal voters under the Election (Postal Voting) Regulations 2003. One can also argue that Art 24 is against the commonwealth spirit. Lacuna, fundamental liberties, human rights and democratic rights are turning into a nightmare.-:)

    Warm nite Rhan…

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  83. sonny
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 00:23:14

    CSL you are a real traitor to the chinese, go to timbaktu and rot there. we don’t need you here.

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  84. Wave33
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 09:13:55

    Hey Guys!

    Stop all these nonsense. You guys have been trapped by the blind partisan supporter from UMNO named Ellese.

    Please stop it. You guys have been screwed.

    Ellese GAME PLAN is to

    1. Spin from the main topic, Ellese is a master spinner. Gold Medalist!
    2. Ellese had succeeded making Dr.Hsu blog into a name calling battlefield. Please Dr.Hsu delete all those name calling posts. Readers would stay away, if these continue. We want to attract more readers to come to Dr.Hsu blog.
    3. Pesonal attack is one of Ellese weapons to provoke you. DO NOT fall for it.
    4. Ellese has been banned from Din Merican blog for inciting name calling, Ellese has succeeded here again. Ellese got a darn good wack from Din Merican!
    5. Ellese has succeeded in making drrafick ban at least two commentators in R2W blog for name calling. In R2W, we managed to put Ellese on a strap and do some damage control to maintain as a good intellectual blog.

    Dr.Hsu, please do some damage control.

    Thank you.
    Majulah Malaysia!

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  85. Phua Kai Lit
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 10:15:15

    Hi Wave33

    You are right.

    Pro-govt guys fear that certain blogs will get too widely-read and too influential.

    So they try to disrupt in all kinds of ways e.g. getting commentators
    to waste band-width commenting on the rubblish they post, getting people into
    flame wars (rather than discussing the substantive issues) etc.

    In street demonstrations, you have agent provocateurs from the ruling regime trying to get the demonstrators to engage in violent acts (so as to discredit the real demonstrators).
    In blogs, you also have agent provocateurs trying to do what I described in paragraph 2 above.

    Either ban them or ignore them totally. They can go back to intellectually dishonest pro-ruling regime blogs like Rocky Bru or Big Dog or more fittingly, the racist-fascist blog of Barking Magpie.

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  86. hanprem
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 11:07:52

    Dear Dr Hsu,

    These unsavoury characters invited themselves to your blog and tried to pollute your blog. The hidden agenda is quite obvious as pointed by others. It’s up to you as host to take whatever action you deem necessary to stop the nonsense.
    I am pretty sure many people in this blog have no time for them.

    Best regards.

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  87. Dr Hsu
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 11:31:22

    Dear readers,
    This blog is evidently under attacks by certain cybertroopers for obvoious reasons.
    The commentaries in the guise of personal attacks have made this a battlefield.

    I suspect some of them may be presenting different views but from the same cyber team, causing havoc and making use of the freedom this blog allows.I noted some of them have more than 10 IP addresses in a short period , which is not the norm for most serious readers/commentators.

    I have deleted most of the comments posted in the past 24 hours, by the various persons. They have taken advantage of the fact that I was not feeling well last 2 days and have not spent as much time on the blog as I wish, and throwing in rubbish..Those deleted included ellese, HuaYong, Streetfighter, monsterball, and so on.

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  88. Dr Hsu
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 12:05:40

    wave33, Prof Phua, Hanprem and others,

    thanks for the timely reminder to me to stop all these nonsense. I have not be feeling very well and did not sleep well, too for the past couple of days, and I have not spent as much time as I would noramlly do, and they have taken advantage of me sleeping early yesterday to amke this a battlefield.

    You are right, and for all you know, all of them are from the same side but creating havoc just to make people stop reading..

    Cheers!🙂

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  89. Ellese
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 12:51:27

    Dear doc,

    Please note that wave has besmirch me and I have a right to reply.

    1) to the contrary I’m not a cybertrooper. None in UMNO knows me what more paid for. Wave is propagating unstantiated lies and claims and I will defend that allegation. I write my own personal opinion. I have also disagreed with bn.
    2) din did not whack me. He chicken out without even giving me a right to reply to protect his crony.
    3) to the contrary dr rafick has never banned me. I am on my own and wave had many times unable to answer and resorted to name calling.
    4) my view is valid and even shared by precedents and staunch pr supporter dr Bakri Musa.

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  90. Ellese
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 12:55:43

    Dr hsu,

    Please note that vulgarities started from monsterball. He called me bitch and “f…king idiot. I’ve asked permission whether this is allowed. The comments are still there.

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  91. Ellese
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 12:58:41

    Dear phua,

    Please note that my view here is even shared by staunch pro pr supporter in the like of dr Bakri Musa. Please don’t make sweeping statement. If disagree you rebut.

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  92. Ellese
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 13:05:57

    Wave

    You are spinning lies and deceit. In r2w I’ve never been banned. You know that I respond in kind. If you write nicely I’ll write nicely. But if you use vulagarities I will respond in kind.

    To the contrary doc rafick have allowed me to give contrary views. People counter views except those who are unable to like meek etc there including you. So don’t be an agent provocateur spreading lies and deceit. If don’t like counter my point. This is the essence of free speech.

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  93. deadeagle
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 14:19:33

    If other nations can let their oversea citizen vote, then if Malaysia cannot, then simply means MALAYSIA TAK BOLEH !!
    By that Bakri Musa logics, all those natives who live in remote parts of Sarawak or Sabah, etc, or any Kampong folks who had less than Form 3 educations etc, should not be allowed to votes, I respect Bakri Musa, but his reasoning for oversea citizens voting is utter rubbish !!

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  94. Ellese
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 16:07:23

    Readable,

    You miss the point. The issue is not that overseas Malaysian cannot vote. But rather those who can vote must have a stake. Check the US. Not all overseas citizens can vote unless they pay tax. Nz Singapore also like that. Not all can vote unless they have some residence requirement. Thus I put it back to you that if overseas they have a stake requirement why is it so objectionable to follow them? Is it because they are mainly pr supporters? If so is it right to do rules to favour you? If so what’s the difference between PR n bn in this regard? We must be principled.

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  95. Ellese
    Nov 17, 2011 @ 16:08:57

    Hahaha….my last posting was to deadeagle but my spellcheck change to readable. Apol.

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