An inconsequential debate

A friend asked me why I didn’t want to attend the Chua-Lim debate yesterday.

Not only did I not want to attend , I did not even listen to the debate on radio. 

This is because I do not want to waste my time. 

This debate is inconsequential. Nothing is going to be changed after this debate. 

Whatever each side says would be old stuff that have already come out in the internet. ( I was proven right)

There would not be any policies changes; much of the debate would only be mudslinging, and defending each others’ record. 

This debate is also not going to change how people are going to vote.

Malaysian politics have become so partisan that a person is either for Chua or for Lim, and for those who supported Chua, everything he said would be gospel and similarly for those who supported Lim, whatever he uttered would be the truth.  

In the city area, especially among the target group ( urban Chinese and English speaking crowds), most have already decided how to vote and most are just waiting for the Election. 

NO matter how much dirt each side digs out, it would not make any difference.


12 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. CYC
    Jul 09, 2012 @ 17:48:54

    Dr, you made the right choice.


  2. HuaYong
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 08:50:01

    i think like u said no matter how, diff or no diff, we should cultivate debate among politician.


  3. Dr Hsu
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 09:52:16

    I am not against debate. A political debate should be on policies , directions of the nation or community, and the merits and demerits of certain rules and regulations.

    MCA is now largely irrelevant and CSL just wants to show “ATAS” that he is doing something for the coaltion. The Chinese community, of which the party draws ints support in the past, has largely abandoned them.


  4. HuaYong
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 11:17:33

    can agree, when i was young, i listen to many speech by lee kim sai, i was from his constituency, we may call his sendiwara but at least mca still give an impression that it struggle/represent chinese, so called mahua, not sure since when they sell their backbone, start from that sick head fella i think.

    那二毛子虽然缺乏大将之风甚至有时蠢顿如猪, 可还不致以媚外卑颜屈膝到不堪入耳。


  5. WildCard
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 11:49:36

    Malaysian seems to mix up debate with pissing contest. It was indeed a waste of time.


  6. Taikohtai
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 14:03:26

    Inconsequential may be but repercussions still abound and ringing loudly:
    1. Najib still too chicken to debate aganst DSAI, not too busy or transformational.
    2. Ng Yen Yen’s Aussie feral cat still out of the bag and pissing all over TAR college!


  7. John C. Lee
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 15:32:20

    Interesting article by Matthias Chang at

    He said, “When the crowd of pissed-offs with BN/UMNO return to the kampongs, it will be with a vengeance and the Tsunami of pissed-offs will overwhelm those in the state of denial.”


  8. Li Li Fa
    Jul 10, 2012 @ 22:49:02

    Debates are beneficial to the debaters and their audience. However, the Chua-Lim Debate2 was like night-market peddlers claiming their wares were best in the world.

    Slinging mud at each other will not get them to double their sale. Might as well have a good, genuine, professional soul searching debate than wasting precious time of ticket holders and those listening to air broadcast. Why invite a battle royale between Ah Jib Gor and AA when these two Malaysian Chinese leaders cannot conduct a decent debate, (knowing well that AJG is a flip-flopper and AA a flippant speaker)

    GE13 is fast approaching. Debate or not, the people , especially the young and new voters, more or less know whom to vote for.

    This time, the voters will try out the indelible ink, the only proposal by Bersih, approved.

    Keen to debate on this, anyone?


  9. disgusted
    Jul 11, 2012 @ 15:11:08

    Dr, U are absolutely correct saying the debate is a waste of time. I messaged in my FB that I would rather watch Bugs Bunny show. Glad I also made the right decision, not wasting my petrol and time and saving another RM88 to buy good food for my family table.


  10. Thor
    Jul 12, 2012 @ 00:41:00

    Dr Hsu, what you wrote is so true.

    Political debates (or any other live debates, for that matter) may not be an ideal vehicle to reveal a candidate’s fine qualities.

    Firstly, a live debate requires the participant to be able to think fast on his feet – to score points, to deflect attacks – but not many people are good at that. A deep, serious thinker who is slow and not too facile in speech may come off second best when pitted against a glib but shallow motormouth who could impress and sway the audience with his verbal fluency when in fact it may be the former who is far more superior in intellect and overall competency.

    Secondly, because of the pressure to respond immediately, there is little time to reflect and think more deeply before speaking and this may lead to superficialities and even errors.

    Therefore, live debates are more appropriate as a form of entertainment than as a showcase of the participants’ best qualities.

    To debate using the written word is better.


  11. HuaYong
    Jul 12, 2012 @ 10:31:52

    “To debate using the written word is better.”

    I think writing allow too much time for polishing and decorating while debate can actually let the audience read one mindset in a more veritable manner. Of course a better speaker usually has the capability to modify his speech in a much shorter time, nevertheless that still require some sort of conviction and sincerity in order to present his worldview and belief in a convincing way.

    To debate well and able to articulate are the prerequisite traits of politician, actually i believe one of the main functions of politician is to lead and maneuver the people to work toward an aspire direction and that require superior articulation skill, the problem is that many politician that possess this fine quality like to talk rubbish instead. Debate allow us to see through the rubbish, as demonstrated in this particular inconsequential (Hsu word) case, but at least rubbish still provide the avenue for participants and audiences to think and to state opinion, I believe this is good for democracy, and to slowly transform our patriarchal mindset and education that doesn’t promote asking question or contest against conflicting view.


  12. Wave33
    Jul 19, 2012 @ 19:54:03

    Dr Hsu quote: “A political debate should be on policies , directions of the nation or community, and the merits and demerits of certain rules and regulations.”

    These are rare opportunities for Pakatan Rakyat (PR), to make policies known to Malaysian from MSM, free major public relation exercise. LGE just wasted it TWICE! PR still has not recovered from the “culture shock” of governing from the tsunami of 2008. What I am saying is that, LGE does a good job on Penang, he just need to avoid temptation of playing politics, it brings no benefits to LGE. The pigs of UMNO are inviting LGE to play in the mud. At the end, the pigs ended happy and LGE just get himself dirty with mud.

    Only the new generation of PR politicians that taken up the steps to move beyond. The old dogs have old habits that cannot be changed. I like politician like Tony Pua, Hannah Yeoh, Nurul Izzah, Khalid Samad, Mat Sabu etc etc.

    Taking about debate, Khairy Jamaluddin does it better. He is so feared among UMNO members, that they have to put KJ into cold storage. First time a youth chief whom does not have a minister post. Fear of their own shadow, perhaps the Oxford credentials.

    What we need now is Ah Jib Gor vs Anwar.
    It is the Prime Minister duty to engage the opposition leader.
    Unless FLOM had fried both his eggs.

    My condolences to you, Ah Jib Gor.


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