Lessons from the past

Today, I will post an article fromDr Farish Noor about lesson in history for PAS:

JUNE 11 — The repercussions of the somewhat clumsy attempt by some sections of PAS to call for the investigation, and possibly banning, of the Muslim women’s rights group Sisters in Islam are still being felt today.

Many questions have arisen in the wake of the proposal that was passed without debate at the recent PAS general assembly: How and why was the proposal passed as one of the ‘non-debated proposals’ in the first place? Why was it not vetted properly and why was it tabled at all? What does this say about PAS’s internal cohesion and internal discipline? Does this proposal reflect just a faction of opinion among PAS members, or is it actually representative of the party as a whole? And what does this mean with regards to PAS’s avowed claims to be a modern party that supports the democratisation process and dialogue with others?

It is hard, to say the least, to believe that a party can be supportive of democracy if it starts by calling for the banning of NGOs even before it comes to power…

For now, however, we are left to watch the internal and external drama of PAS unfold as the party seeks to re-consolidate itself after what was clearly a hectic assembly for all. The lingering question of where PAS really stands and where it goes from here though will have to be addressed sooner than later.

To help answer this question, we would like to propose a quick re-visit to the history of PAS from the 1980s to the present to illustrate a simple yet important point: namely, that the public has never had much appetite for violent, extreme and exclusive political discourse and behaviour, be it from PAS or Umno.

In the 1980s, some of us will remember that PAS was heavily engaged in a fiery war of words with its nemesis Umno. The PAS leaders then — notably Yusof Rawa, Hadi Awang and Mat Sabu — were at the forefront of attacking and condemning Umno leaders — notably (now Tun) Dr Mahathir Mohamad and Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim. It was during this period that Umno and PAS both jointly raised the political temperature in the country, leading to the controversial kafir-mengafir episode where both sides were accusing the other side of being hypocrites (munafik), secular and un-Islamic. This culminated in a number of bitter incidents such as the killing of Ibrahim “Libya” Mahmood at the village of Memali in 1985 and the controversy around the book “Hadis” by Kassim Ahmad some years later.

PAS then had gone onto overdrive with its fiery polemics against Umno, and Hadi’s infamous proclamation that accused PAS’s opponents of being the enemies of Islam had done wonders to transform image of PAS into that of a violent and extremist party. At the 1986 elections, the result of this overheated rhetoric was obvious: PAS’s vote share dropped to 15.3 per cent and parliamentary seats to 0.6 per cent, winning only one seat.

Then, as now, PAS was trying to court non-Muslim support in Malaysia through the PAS Chinese Consultative Councils (CCCs), but to no avail. The public demonstrated that they were not able and willing to tolerate the violent oppositional dialectics of Umno and PAS, but were more worried about PAS’s language of jihad and kafirs.

Fast-forward to 2002 and we see a similar scenario in the off-ing. In the wake of PAS’s victory at the elections of 1999, an over-confident PAS took it upon itself to once again play the role of the “defenders of Islam”. In 2002, Muslim writers, academics and NGOs (including Sisters in Islam) were once again attacked and accused of all manner of things. In the same year, PAS declared its support for the Taliban in the most blatant manner when PAS members demonstrated in front of the US embassy with posters and banners that read “Taliban are our brothers”.

The rest of the Malaysian electorate, however, were not inclined to think of the Taliban as their brothers, and once again PAS was badly damaged at the elections of 2004.

These incidents demonstrate a simple fact: the public may vote for PAS as a reaction against Umno, but this does not mean that the vote is a vote in support of an Islamic state, liberal-bashing or Taliban-supporting. Consistently the public has shown that whenever PAS (or Umno) resorts to extreme communitarian politics and discourse, its votes will swing in the other direction.

PAS, like all political parties, has to learn the simple lesson of representative politics, and realise that the vote given to PAS in 2008 was given by the public to the Pakatan Rakyat and what the Pakatan stands for: a new, freer, more democratic and plural Malaysia where diversity is respected and enhanced. The call for the investigation and possible banning of a Muslim women’s NGO like SIS on the spurious basis that it is “un-Islamic” beggars belief, and makes a mockery of the Pakatan’s efforts thus far. But the ones who have the most to lose are PAS members themselves, who should always study their own history to learn from the past in order not to repeat the same mistakes in the future.

PAS has indeed come a long way, and no doubt will remain on the scene for a long time to come. We hope and pray that as it develops and evolves, PAS will evolve in tandem with the new spirit of the new Malaysia that we are trying to build, and not against it. Having learned from its history, PAS should not condemn itself to becoming a historical relic instead.


40 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. disgusted
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 13:40:09

    Basically, some PAS leaders (a handful) have become swell headed and aspiring (self-intrest) to consolidate their position which they considered as timely.

    Like the Chinese says, “theirs legs are positioned in both ships.” One in UMNO and the other in PAS. They know UMNO is desperate to regain its image and also the hidden agenda to destroy Pakatan.

    It is helping an injured tiger to recoup the mountain territorial powers, and they are willing to score some goodwill. Why? Because they know PKR has the strength now and just in case, asking “Will Anwar be the PM?”

    You think PAS does not want to hold the PM post? Who else? Nasaruddin is just riding along with Hadi Awang, kissing the boots too.

    But both have become traitors in the eyes of many, dancing with the devil.


  2. Dr Hsu
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 13:50:12

    I am surprised that they do not listen to their spiritual leader on this . MAybe due to personal interest, maybe longing for the trappings of a minister, especailly for the one who was once a Trengganu MB. Power is like that. Once a person tasted power, it is like opium, and he would want more of it… You can find these people in most parties… 🙂


  3. cilipadi
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 14:30:55

    monk, Dr Hsu,

    This was what I mentioned “moles” & “openings”. Playing up some rhetoric, not of same wave length with their spiritual leader.

    PAS members are still clear, same wave length with their spiritual leader.

    One more thing, heard that counting of votes in PAS not requiring contestant’s agent to be present…….Many things can happen then, but they can’t do so in the case of Nizar…… Nizar’s popularity cannot be undermined, but other guys still can…..If not, more turbulent is what Malaysia see…..

    moles makan cili, moles rasa pedas


  4. cilipadi
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 15:11:31

    There is no hope for this kind of rhetoric to stop so long as Malays put their weigh on PAS, Umno & PKR.

    Someone is right here….DAP should have road shows to attract Malays joining the party, and if can reach a point of 40% Malay supports, then the future of Malaysia would be promising.

    Then, I still can stay put in Malaysia. Global FDI set to drop, and Malaysia sure to suffer if these rhetoric still going on.

    These people can tell people like me, go back to your own country? Haha, no sense.


  5. Dr Hsu
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 16:00:52

    Read this in MalaysiaToday. RPK wrote,

    ‘The DAP views the expose by MBPJ councillor, A Thiruvenggadam, alleging that the state divides Alam Flora’s waste management contracts to political parties – 40 percent to PKR, 30 percent to PAS and 30 percent to DAP, as reported in Malaysiakini yesterday, with grave and serious concern.”

    RPK calls this The BN disease..

    No wonder there is a Chinese proverb that ” all the corws in the world are equally black”… politicians are the crows..Why can’t there be a white crow??

    crow makan cili, crow rasa pedas.


  6. cilipadi
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 16:23:25

    Dr. Hsu,

    If this is proven to be true, then is in fact unfortunate.

    There are many crows in the political parties, be it in PR or BN. Then Malaysian needs to see which side have more crows, and vote them out.

    Both side must kill these crows to get votes, simple as that. What to do, Malaysia is governed by crows for 50 plus years.

    DAP has the least crows at the moment, Umno has the most,….and moles are planted anywhere. This crow a mole?

    You are right,

    crow makan cili, crow rasa pedas


  7. genesispassion
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 17:07:22

    cari makan susah ! i giggled to hear this….seemed nevr ending….dealing with the devil and deep blue seas…! this is an opening for gerakan perhaps !


  8. cilipadi
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 17:11:49

    Don’t question this, don’t question that. These are from the very top echelon of Malaysia. Top down. Crows not confined to politicians…..

    Atila, can you lead your people to join DAP? Can you see my reasoning?

    Kill crows to make Malaysia promising, no other option, Atila.

    Do you makan cilipadi?


  9. romerz
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 18:01:25

    Farish Noor speaks on the PAS general assembly.

    You can watch the video interview on Anil Netto’s blog here;



  10. Disgusted
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 18:48:12


    PAS is “NOT” a spiritual party in the truest sense. Spirituality CANNOT accommodate politics. Like OIL and WATER don’t mix. But Islam is a different brand altogether.

    In Taoism, Buddhism, and even monastic Christianity…no monks or taoist sages “engaged” or hold political posts…EXCEPT in Sri Lanka…hence, the country is so f**k up.

    I am talking about spirituality like those practised by Mother Teresa…humanitarian activities and founded upon morality 24 hours a day and 365 days a year. Meditation, Occult exercises, contemplation and reflection. Searching knowledge and daily experiences of building and cleansing the psychic centers.

    PAS is primarily a political party fueled by political agenda.

    So Nasaruddin and Hadi Awang can defy Nik Aziz. In PAS (name) “spiritual guru”, in truth, differs much from the essence of the spiritual path.

    Remember, Buddha once said, “Avoid Evil, Do Good, But be Wise.” Avoiding evil and doing good is NOT good enough to escape the life and death cycle of suffering. In politics, greedy politicians do evil more than good, anyway. And rarely wise.


  11. ruyom
    Jun 11, 2009 @ 19:05:12

    I hope everyone studies this carefully crafted article by Awang Selamat (Utusan), one of the best apologists and spin doctors Umno has to offer us, and reflect on the cynicism, hypocrisy and corruption that opportunists hope might appeal to backwards feudal mentalities so beloved of those who walk the corridors of power in Putrajaya.

    Let us examine the Awang Selamat article.

    When Awang Selamat writes the malays have been betrayed, then he is keeping very good company indeed. Adolf Hitler repeatedly wrote the Germans have been betrayed by the minority Jews. Karadzan Milosevic repeatedly said the Serbians have been betrayed by the minority Bosnians.

    Robert Mugabe repeatedly said the Zimbabweans have been betrayed by the foreign West. The BJP regularly say that the Hindus have been betrayed by the minority Muslims.

    Nevertheless I am certain that the Malays nowadays are not as uninformed as Awang Selamat and his political masters in Umno would like to believe.

    The fact is, Malaysia is fast becoming another basket case country – and the most important thing if you can’t fix the problem or won’t fix the problem is that – Umno can still make sure they win the next elections by fixing the blame.

    There is rampant theft by Umno elites, wholesale corruption by Umno cronies whereby the rich and connected malays are entitled to rob the poor and everybody else under the guise of social justice via the NEP, Umno nepotism in the leadership selection process, a fixed judiciary by Umno, a fixed police by Umno and a fixed electoral commissions by Umno.

    Why should Umno leaders fix the problem when they are getting richer by the minute via corruption, cronyism and nepotism?

    Awang Selamat like other Utusan hacks have been hired to do the job for Umno – make sure Umno can fix the blame onto the non-Malays via a good dose of racist rhetoric, scare mongering, hate mongering, bigotry and ethnic xenophobia – straight from the serious and weighty editorial section of Utusan.

    They all have been victims – the minority Bosnian Muslims in the former Yugoslavia, minority Jews in Nazi Germany, minority Muslims in BJP India, minority whites in Zimbabwe and of course, the minority non-Malays in Malaysia.

    There are no prizes for guessing who is being prepared for the role of the fall guy, scapegoat and bogeyman by Umno in Malaysia – it is Hindraf, the Bar Council, Bersih, DAP, PAS and PKR.

    Adolf Hitler, Karadzan Milosevic, Robert Mugabe, BJP and Umno gangs all have one thing in common – they became obscenely powerful, filthy rich while their countrymen suffered, starved and died for it.

    All the while their leaders shouted – traitor this and traitor that – as if the louder they shouted the more easily their lies could be believed.

    Luckily there are a lot of Malay-Muslims in Malaysia who think for themselves, and not swallow everything Utusan tells them to. How stupid do Umno spin doctors think the rakyat have become?

    As for rich Umno elites getting contracts and scholarships, and poor bright non-Malay students not even getting a place in our higher institutes of learning, this is Umno version of social justice – what a joke, what a travesty, what a monstrous lie.

    The fact is Umno cannot make enough money to support their mansions, exotic cars, and wives without stealing from you and me – so Umno version of social justice will always be Umno steals from everybody – you should know by now Umno loves stealing from the poor because the poor are just such easy targets – Malays, Chinese, and Indians – semua di makan oleh Umno – sedapnya!

    Awang Selamat appears aggrieved that today generation of Malay Muslim leaders might actually believe in freedom, equality and fraternity. He might be upset that some Malay Muslim leaders are trying to preach goodwill and compassion to everyone – regardless of race or creed.

    I suppose this is a shocking betrayal of Umno apartheid policies where in Malaysia today you can be threatened, mollycoddled, scapegoat-ed or jailed strictly on the basis of your ethnic origins.

    As a word of caution, I am sure the boys at Utusan will mix it up for their readers – sound conciliatory at some times and then sound racist xenophobic at other times – because even the most stupid people will be able to see through their ploy.

    So recently when Muhyiddin ostensibly tells Utusan off in public for being too racist, what he actually means is this – You Utusan hacks are fooling nobody so please change tactics for now – later when the climate is more conducive, then you can try being racist again!

    Whether the average Malay thinks Awang Selamat is talking sense or nonsense, it is immaterial to me as I have already emigrated to a country where they insist on equal citizenship, equal opportunity, inter racial solidarity, freedom of speech, rule of law, and freedom of religion – and they insist you get it for free.

    Although I love my place of birth, and I am used to racial and religious idiocy from people like Awang Selamat, I see no good reason why my children should have to put up with the same institutionalised racism in a rapidly declining Third World basket case like Umno apartheid Malaysia.

    In future, it won’t really matter if the next generation become university graduates or not because the Malaysian public universities will be so rotten that the degrees will be just worthless pieces of paper. What future will the kids have then?

    The fate of Malaysia will always be in the hands of the malays. I hope they will choose wisely but then again, it is way too late for me and my family, because I am busy creating a life for myself abroad.

    With people like Awang Selamat to lead the way for Umno, in spite of the pain of separation from old friends and family in Malaysia, and loneliness I feel abroad, I smile to myself every time I read Utusan, because I definitely know I made the right decision leaving for a country abroad that actually has a future.


  12. Disgusted
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 00:08:09

    You go to Kamunting, you can see the welcoming signboard, “Selamat Datang”.

    That’s where “Selamat” Awang should be located.


  13. A true Malaysian
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 00:10:08


    “The fate of Malaysia will always be in the hands of the malays.”

    I agree with you fully on this. Genuine Malays like,

    Haris Ibrahim
    Zaid Ibrahim
    Tunku Aziz
    Farish A Noor
    Azly Rahman
    Khalid Samad
    Nik Aziz
    Musa Bakar
    Khalid Ibrahim

    Should lead our Malay brothers and sisters to work hand-in-hand to rebuild Malaysia in the right footing again.

    Ironically, these gentlemen, if you notice, do not play rhetoric for their own selfish interests. They should in fact encourage the other Malays to give support political party like DAP, who practises multiracial and diversity ideology, to counter balance those with narrow racist ideology.


  14. A true Malaysian
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 00:29:31

    Only Malay can lead Malay out of doldrums for simple reason that, if non-Malay do that, they maybe accused of this and that by those playing rhetoric politics.


  15. 过路客
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 00:50:10

    Dear Dr. Hsu,

    This is very interesting…

    Tee Keat asked, and 3 out of 4 answer: Get MCA out of BN
    By Edward Cheah
    KUALA LUMPUR, June 11 – It seems like an odd poll to have on an MCA leader’s website but there it is: “Should MCA leave BN?”

    After all, MCA is a senior partner in the ruling coalition.

    And what did Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat find out from that survey? Well, 75 per cent of those who responded say MCA should leave BN.

    The already-battered MCA has been hit by the Port Klang Free Trade Zone scandal and has yet to find a way to recover from their dismal outing at last year’s general elections.

    Asked if he was worried about the survey result, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said: “As far as I am concerned, MCA has no interest in leaving. It is only an academic exercise but the political position of MCA is to be a senior partner in the BN.”

    Of course, the real question is: just what does Ong Tee Keat plan to do now that he knows.

    So now how many percent of Gerakan members want Gerakan to still stay in BN??



  16. Observant
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 02:07:57


    Well written , do contribute more …. articles!


  17. Chauncey Gardener
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 04:45:02

    I hope that before the next GE, Zulkifli Noordin will switch from PKR to PAS and Husam from PAS to PKR.

    It makes the voters choice easier with the demarcation of how pragmatic some of these aspiring politicians are vis-a-vis faith based politics.


  18. Dr Hsu
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 09:58:37


    thank you for your input. Pls contribute more of your ideas, as mentioned by observant.

    In Malaysia, the only solution is to cast away race politics. But before we do that, we must convince the majority race that they will benefit more if policies are based on ‘needs’ and ‘meritocracy’ and not on race , in the longer run. If we do away with raced based policies, the people will be more competitive, more harmonious, and better prepared for the globalised challenge.

    Unless and until the majority race has agreed on this, and willing to give non-racial policies a try for a term or 2, we will not be able to break out from this cocoon.

    So it is upon us to try to spread the message and convince people that a nonracial approach to nation building is better.

    We have to reassure the majority race that they have nothing to lose to give nonrace policies a try. After 10 years, if they are not satisfied, being the majority race, they can vote to decide to go back to race based policies.. if they so wish.. Being the majority race with the majority votes, they will always be the deciding force.

    They hold the majority power being the majority race. But I am very sure that if they are willing to give non race policies a try, they will find that the country can progress faster, and everyone will benefit from it.

    That is why blogs have an important role.. to change the mindsets especially the younger generations whose minds are more receptive to changes and new ideas..


  19. A true Malaysian
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 10:52:45

    You are right Dr. Hsu. The majority race should give it non-racial policies a try, they have nothing to loose but everything to gain.

    The thing is, minority race views may not be as receptive due to rhetoric politics being the political culture of the backbone of BN. This kind of culture is being made worse by component parties for not able to stand up for obvious injustice moves of the government. Blind can never lead the blind, put it this way.

    But, that is not the excuse for civil society of Malaysia not continue to voice up. In doing so, we are being accused of ‘anti-establishment’, but, if you look at this, is there ‘establishment’ in the first place with bad practices all over?

    The gentlemen that I listed (of course there are more) are doing a good job. They play crucial role to change mindsets….and I believe our friends will be convinced.

    We need a whole set of new leaders, who don’t play rhetoric politics to lead the country. The more crows that you rid of within your parties, the better. Strict disciplinary action should be taken against these crows even if you lose some grassroots supports, but at the end of the day, you win respect.

    I wish I can list down the crows, but diplomatically, this is not the way. Maybe cilipadi may allow me to use

    crows makan cili, crows rasa pedas

    to put my message across.


  20. annoyed
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 11:24:57

    I am so pissed of with this Perak guy.

    Can’t believe those words spitted out from his mouth. He is a leader, doesn’t he? Susah.


  21. Kenny
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 11:27:08

    PKR already making reforms.
    What reforms did Gerakan do since the lost in GE2008?

    I thought there was suppose to be a reform plan by Koh Tsu Koon? What type and where is it?

    Dr Hsu,

    what type of reform is the top 3 most important for Gerakan to do?


  22. cilipadi
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 12:03:42


    If MM of Malaysia and MM of Singapore put to vote, say in an election in Malaysia (of course not Singapore) or idol contest, who do you think will win?

    MM M’sia vs MM S’pore

    MM makan cili, MM rasa pedas

    Haha, my catch phrase is not mine exclusively. Anyone can use.


  23. Dr Hsu
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 13:51:53

    the top 3 most important things to do for Gerakan is to:
    1. go back to its ideology of a fair and equal society

    2. Go back to the people and listen to the wish of the people

    3. Go back to the grassroots, who are the people on the grounds and who can really feel the pulse of the ground.

    Many grassroots have told me that the party has no direction now..

    The present president’s strategy is to go in and try to exert his influence to change… make government more efficient, create more people orientated policies, influence the police to change, influence better governance, and so on.

    But the big question on many members’ mind is that can he really change the entrenched culture inside the government and UMNO?


  24. Kenny
    Jun 12, 2009 @ 16:19:37

    Dr Hsu,
    I don’t think Koh Tsu Koon had really made any difference or reform the Gerakan. It is still the same after the 2008 GE lost…..except with a few leaders leaving the party.

    By the way, how about the Gerakan Wanita and the Youth?
    Have they made any reforms themself?
    I seldom here about the them, especially the youth.
    What do you think the Wanita and the Youth should do (their top 3 priority)?


  25. Dr Hsu
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 10:11:21

    the youth and wanita are busy organising seminars.

    WHile it is good to show that they are doing something and that these seminars serve to tell members that the party is functioning as usual, these meetings by itself cannot win us any votes and endear the party to the voting public.

    Look at those who attend the seminars. It is usually party members and their friends..Why can’t we attract more of the public to attend ? Is it because of the perception that Gerakan is too inert to effect any real changes and that any seminar is just empty talk? or Is it because the public has gone disilusioned about our party and our party is seen as hypocritical, advocating a far and just society in our ideology but no walking tha talk?

    The party needs policy and direction change .. Nothing short of that can reverse our fate… But it seems that the very top still think our best hope is to hitch on to UMNO and try to convince UMNo to change……


  26. klm
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 10:49:58

    Dr Hsu. What you say about Gerakan youths and wanita seminars is exactly right. This is called preaching to the converted. It is a waste of time and money.

    Not that I like MCA. But MCA is now going direct to the ground. OTK is starting to push MCA reps to go and listen to the ground. The outcome of this MCA strategy is :

    (a) start in re-building its support base
    (let us talk strategy and forgot about whether this is effective

    (b) for those Gerakan supporters and members who still believe in BN, they will find a new home in MCA

    The end results are :

    (a) BN oriented chinese members and supporters
    will migrate to MCA

    (c) ideologically oriented members will flee to PKR or DAP.

    In the end Gerakan will be all chiefs and no (red) indians.


  27. A true Malaysian
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 11:13:10

    I read through MM Lee’s interviews with Singapore press as reported in The Malaysian Insider.


    You can see the way he answered is not of ‘rhetoric’ as what our side do, singing sour grapes and so on. His answers impressed me, and this is what we know ‘diplomatic’ is all about. Such kind of diplomatic is long gone with our ministers and leaders, especially while they are in foreign lands. Also, what MM Lee concerned most, is constant ‘shift in goal posts’ in our government’s policies and attitudes, resulting in lesser investors coming from Singapore.

    But, even if MM Lee didn’t mention, he is worried about Singapore’s existing investment in Malaysia. If one cares to compile a statistic, the figure is huge, not high.

    Malaysian leaders should learn from this ‘statesman’ of Singapore. He is one true ‘statesman’ to me, not ‘celup’ one.


  28. klm
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 11:23:48

    A true Malaysian. I think you stated the real reason why MM Lee is visiting Malaysia. Singapore is worried about its money in Malaysia. Recently, it blew 100B SD in US. Singapore cannot afford any similar problem in Malaysia. So uncle Lee is here to asses the future of Malaysia.

    If we see Singapore moving its money out of here, we are as good as dead.


  29. A true Malaysian
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 12:26:28


    Just imagine if

    SGD 1= RM3.00, assuming situation inf Malaysia get worse from now, how much Singapore investors will take back their investments?

    The history of the exchange rates are from,

    SGD 1 = RM1.00, then
    SGD 1 = RM1.50, then
    SGD 1 = RM2.00, and now
    SGD 1 = RM2.40

    Just imagine if the investor come in at the point of SGD 1 = RM1.00, and get out at current point, how much will they get back their RM1.00 in term of SGD?

    This is not ‘masak-mask’ game, no joke.


  30. cilipadi
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 14:30:38

    If I am one of the journalist in LKY interview, I would not be so ‘diplomatic’ and ask a ‘thought provoking’ question:-

    What do you think of the world famous murder case in Malaysia?

    By not mentioning the name of the case, I am in fact ‘diplomatic’. But, everyone would know which case, LKY inclusive.

    murder case makan cili, murder case rasa pedas


  31. Disgusted
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 18:38:03

    C4: Cilipadi 4,

    Don’t be so explosive. LKY of course knows, he check Malaysiakini news, remember?

    And MM Malaysia and MM SIngapore, some people in the old days said both were the best (heading the governments) in Asia.

    But not everything, they could be the worse fishing kaki in the world. The old joke that if they go fishing, they won’t catch any fish. Both had been generous is using the ISA detention without second thoughts.

    MM Mysia v MM Singapore: Who will win?

    Depends who the judges are? I would recommend Walt Disney to be the judge.

    Or Mickey Mouse?


  32. cilipadi
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 20:57:18


    MM vs MM. Malaysians are diplomatic not to vote. So, they choose ‘Mickey Mouse’, but they actually vote MM from ….

    Read comments in The MI and you know the answer. As what Dr. Hsu always says, when you draw a person, you don’t need to draw its intestines.

    How come Malaysiakini no coverage on MM Singapore visit?

    MM makan cili, MM rasa pedas


  33. Disgusted
    Jun 13, 2009 @ 22:13:33


    I have left the monastery (2 months already) so I don’t know why no MM coverage.

    Aahh, so you visit insider too.

    I do drop some cilipadi there too.



  34. jimmy
    Jun 14, 2009 @ 17:44:03

    Dr Hsu,
    you r definitely right. The seminar organised by gerakan youth is only for “SHIOK sendiri”.

    SOmetimes, I think is a waste of money especially party’s money (unless it is sponsored by Lim Keng Yaik and son).

    Anyway, i feel sick when i hear about the activities as even myself as a member don’t even know about it. It is a event that is within the inner circle of Lim Si Pin.
    If this continue, gerakan can close shop!


  35. cilipadi
    Jun 14, 2009 @ 19:07:19


    Where is your new monastery? I wish you well there.

    As to why no coverage of MM Lee, thing looks fishy here, hahaha.

    Huan is a confirmed ‘crow’ anywhere he goes.

    Malaysiakini makan cili, Huan rasa pedas


  36. klm
    Jun 14, 2009 @ 19:25:57

    I had an interesting discussion with some friends.
    Behind the local politics in all the countries of South East Asia, there is a geopolitical angle as well.

    Sea East Asian countries are most south of the South China Sea. These countries are sources of oil and gas and also the route to ship oil and gas to North China. Can you guess who is north of the South China Sea. You are right China.

    Who do you think is afraid of China in the 21st Century. Yes. The United States. Do you think the US will keep still while China build up its presence and strength in its backyard – the ASEAN countries.

    What do you think the US will do in each of the ASEAN countries? Make sure the govt in each country is very friendly to them. Else ensure key elements in the country are friendly to the American interests.

    For starter.

    If Najib is a friend of China, what would the US do?

    This is an interesting topic to explore. Geopolitics may be playing an invisible hand in the local politics.


  37. disgusted
    Jun 15, 2009 @ 10:13:54

    No coverage? Maybe the bosses frequently make trips there and it’s better not to run stories so that their future trips cannot be endangered.

    Just a stupid guess by a stupid monk.

    Monks don’t claim any monastry to be their own, to avoid the mindset that of a BELONGING or worldly attachment. The sky is the roof, the ground the bed and the mist, the blanket.

    But not all monks feel this way. Monks should be travellers in a sense, not physically but on the spiritually path. Again this is theory unless it is practised. Buddhism is the antithesis of politics.


  38. cilipadi
    Jun 15, 2009 @ 11:09:17

    You are free. Happy for you, but…..kini no more…

    sigh !!! makan cili, sigh !!! rasa pedas 😦


  39. monk
    Jun 15, 2009 @ 12:39:06


    Don’t be happy for me, we can’t live on free air and water, have to pay for regular supply of ciliPADI to feed stomach-lah. Just look for new pastures for survival.

    But without greed like certain PAS leaders.


  40. Atila
    Jun 17, 2009 @ 02:32:54


    I like your article becoz e and some frends talk of these past 4years.

    IslamHadhari was complemented “open Islam” by the USA President before Obama to PakLah.

    Muslims (school of Sunnah Wal Jamaah) dont accept IslamHadhari that PakLah preached.
    The whole text of Quran and Hadiths mentioned is “Islam”, never IslamHadhari. PakLah mocked Islam to please US Govt.

    We feedback to UMNO, our voices wasnt heard, instead IslamHadhari became to the extend of printing Hadhari Quran & publicity on TV ie ” Perkampungan Hadhari”.

    Its only during GE2008, that Muslims had to teach UMNO a lesson – stop IslamHadhari.

    As at today, no more IslamHadhari openly
    but its influence comes in other forms, in NGOs in extreme entertainment, etc.

    Majority non-Muslims in Malaysia do not grasp the true meaning of Islam resulting from UMNO.
    Even amongst components BN leaders do not have the basic understanding of Islam.

    Also our education system does not allow Malaysians to understand each other’s religion.

    UMNO forget surah KAAFIRUN-109, they want to tell the world they are Muslims exclusively.
    It is UMNO creating the fanatism the fear of
    non-Muslims towards PAS.

    Seven years ago, i gave an English translated Quran to my Chinese General Manager as a gift.
    It is not wrong for non-Muslims to read the Quran, but it is wrong for Muslims ignore reading the Quran.

    I pat dogs when they are clean-dry, i do feed thin stray dogs on the streets….some chinese cannot understand me and they say i cannot touch dogs. I smiled, coz they dont understand provisions in Quran and Hadiths.

    Condolences to UMNO, dissecting Quran for its own interest.


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