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For today, i am not going to post any article, because I do not want my readers to be distracted from some very good comments made by commentators in this blog.. Pls read through the comments under the last 2 posts, and and hope that these comments can give us some food for thought….And share the thought with all of us, please.
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Jun 13, 2009 @ 12:11:11
Dear Dr Hsu,
You are right in your comments.
I was a product of the 70’s education system where I completed my secondary education in a missionary school.During that time, upon completing secondary education, to pursue tertiary education seems to be an uphill task provided you have the financial means to do it overseas. Most of my generation had to slot it out during the day working and taking part-time studies at night. For those of my friends who can afford to study overseas, they never seems to want to come back upon completion of their studies – a sad case indeed. Just imagine what they can do to the country.Worst, our next door neighbour seems to be way ahead not so much fully from their own home-grown human resources but rather some are actually our own bright people studying there and eventually becoming citizens there.
If only things can be done differently 30 – 40 years ago. Now to reverse it would take at least another generation – Can we afford to wait that long?
Sad indeed.
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Jun 13, 2009 @ 14:16:12
At the suggestion of a friend, I am posting the Malaysian Insider version of MM Lee’s interview under the comment coloumn:
SINGAPORE, June 13 — It makes no sense for bilateral ties to be sunny one day, stormy the next, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said at an interview with Singapore journalists in Kuala Lumpur on Thursday. This is an edited transcript of his remarks.
LEE: This is my fourth day, we’re off to Ipoh tonight. I leave Kuala Lumpur with some optimism, guarded optimism, because we have to see the words translated into action.
Prime Minister Datuk Serie Najib Razak said in Singapore that he wants cooperation with Singapore. He told the prime minister, let’s work together. He repeated the same to me.
I had to emphasise that it cannot be cooperation today, non-cooperation next year and then back again, backwards and forwards, because these are very big investments both in the Iskandar region and the third bridge to Desaru and the east coast, from Desaru up to Mersing, up to Kuantan and Pekan, massive projects requiring huge investments, the returns can only be calculated in decades, not in terms of years.
So it must be a long-term commitment and it must mean cooperation across the board, not just selective cooperation where it’s win for one side, less win for the other.
We either cooperate across the board and stay that way for decades or we revert to the old position where from time to time, we might work together, from time to time, we will not be working together. But no private investor will go into huge projects, which require decades to recoup, unless there’s long-term stability in the policy.
The third bridge from Changi, it’s for technical discussions. It does not make sense to us if at the same time, they punish us by making us barge sand from Vietnam. It’s no benefit to them; it’s just to cause us extra losses. So if it is cooperation, it must be across the board and the final balance must be fair on both sides and not just in specific, selective areas.
I was encouraged because I met the Deputy Prime Minister, Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin, and he repeated the same things, so obviously, the matter has been discussed in Cabinet and this was confirmed when I met the three vice-presidents (of Umno), Minister for Defence, Minister for Home Affairs and Minister for Regional Development and they told me exactly the same.
In other words, Najib had not only said this in Singapore, but had come back and briefed his Cabinet on his new policy. So as far as the Cabinet is concerned, they are solidly behind this policy, but as I said, if there are discordant voices, either from the states who may voice some reservations or from whatever high sources in Umno, then doubts will be cast in the minds of private investors.
The government will continue because we have promised an iconic project, we will carry on with that. But private investors do their long-term calculations; when they put these massive investments in, they need to be certain the policy will last decades.
Then we don’t have to send our economic plants to Vietnam, to China, to India or to Batam, which we thought it wise to do because there were times when, whether it’s rhetoric or otherwise, our investors felt they were not welcome.
Q: When hiccups do occur, how should both sides react?
Lee: My suggestion, which they have welcomed, is that there should be a lot of to-ing and fro-ing between the ministers and even the top officials, so even before hiccups reach the stage of third party notes, ministers can just pick up the phone, speak to each other and sort them out, which was the way it was done in the early years. But that generation, we went to the same schools, same colleges…so there was an easy relationship. Now we are separately educated.
Before, we used to have Malaya-Singapore Cambridge University Association or Oxford University, now we have two associations. So I suggest that both have joint celebrations, their national day, our national day, Hari Raya, Chinese New Year, Deepavali. In other words, let there be some bonding which will make the relationship easier.
Malaysia is our closest neighbour. Many Malay men have married Malay women from Singapore. Many Chinese have married men and women from Malaysia and they visit each other, so it does not make good sense to have this ambivalent relationship where one day, the weather is sunny, and the next day it’s wet and flooding.
Q: You spoke about guarded optimism. Is that how you feel also about the resolution of long-term bilateral issues?
Lee: There are no longstanding bilateral issues which cannot be resolved. There were agreements and if there’s any doubt over any agreement, it can go for third party adjudication, whether our interpretation of what has been agreed is right or their interpretation of what is agreed is right. There’s no need to quarrel. As with the case of Pedra Branca, both went to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), resolved.
There are no legacy issues. These are firm agreements made between two parties, seriously intended, signed by both parties, knowing what its content meant. There’s now a difference in when is the operational date etc, we can send it to third party adjudication, either the international arbitration court or the ICJ or even any of the renowned arbitration centres. The thing can be resolved. But if we start arguing and say that this is a legacy issue, forget about it, it is not resolved.
Q: Given the results of last year’s general election in Malaysia, would you say there is uncertainty on the political front? What’s your reading, having met some of the opposition leaders?
Lee: Everybody knows there’s been a tectonic shift and the analysis has been that the urban Malays, especially the educated young Malays, voted this time for the opposition, together with the Chinese and Indians.
I met Hadi Awang (president of Parti Islam SeMalaysia or PAS). He told me, in Kelantan we are very fair to all races, the Chinese temples, Indian temples, Chinese are given ownership of land, so there’s no discrimination. He believes that same policy can spread across Malaysia, not just in Kelantan.
That’s left to be seen, what Umno does to win back Malay, Chinese and Indian support, which this time went to the other side.
Hadi Awang said in the countryside, rural Malays are not educated, therefore they still depend on the patronage of Umno, so they still stay loyal.
In the towns, they are now well educated, many engineers and professionals have joined and become members of PAS or Parti Keadilan Rakyat and he’s said we’re patient people, year by year, there’ll be more and more people moving from countryside to towns. Therefore, more and more people will be educated and be sceptical and critical, so they are quite sure that time is on their side.
It really depends on how Umno and Barisan Nasional (BN) react. I do not believe they are going to stay put, because then as Najib has said, they’re in for problems.
Q: The opposition has made great inroads. Are you concerned about that and what are the implications for Singapore?
Lee: If I’m not concerned, why should I be here? As I told you, it’s a tectonic shift which (opposition coalition) Pakatan Rakyat did not expect, neither did BN, and both sides have done their analysis and come to the same conclusions.
The town Malays and town Chinese and Indians want more transparency, no double language and a more inclusive society. So Najib has said, ‘1 Malaysia’.
The Chinese press, whom I met separately, said they first reported it as one multi-racial Malaysia and then they were corrected to say 1 Malaysia, that is to say we share one Malaysia but the communities remain distinct, as Malays, Chinese, Indians. It’s a different set-up.
Q: Is this a trip down memory lane for you?
Lee: In part, because I haven’t been to Seremban for 40 years. I used to go there and practise in Seremban in the courts, so I had some nostalgia to see some of the places.
The mentri besar was happy to see me, arranged for a coach, personally escorted me. He’d also like us to carry our investments up from Malacca to Seremban. – The Straits Times
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Jun 13, 2009 @ 18:29:35
Dr. Hsu,
😀 Good reference point when they change goal posts.
“guarded optimism, because we have to see the words translated into action.”
Wait and see if there is any shift in ‘goal posts’ later.
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Jun 13, 2009 @ 22:17:54
LKY has been watching over the causeway for sometime since the 308 tsunami. It has come to a point when his officers feedback prompted him to make the visit for a first-hand fact-finding mission.
His worries had been always a fear that the BolehLand be taken over Islamic governance and it needs a whole new ball-game to tackle the future.
So, with the worsening scenario of the mess here, it would be a good time to walk the ground.
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Jun 13, 2009 @ 23:26:24
Dr Hsu,
Sorry that I used the title of your previous article in my blog posting. I hope that you don’t mind as I thought it was a very good article and especially the comments left by your readers.
I hope you or clarence don’t mind but I’ve reproduced clarence’s comment in full in my blog.
http://romerz.blogspot.com/2009/06/tale-of-2-nations.html
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Jun 14, 2009 @ 00:09:13
Dr Hsu,
I would like to highlight this article to you, particularly of a comment made by your shameless thickskin mat klentong party president
http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.asp?dt=2009-06-14&sec=mas&art=0614mc30.txt
20年沒變．遠遜怡保芙蓉
李光耀：檳設施落後
許子根：李光耀做比較
怡保道路比檳好
首相署部長兼前檳州首長丹斯里許子根博士指出，新加坡資政李光耀以怡保與檳州道路做比較，怡保的道路情況比檳州還好。
許子根說，他向李光耀解釋說，很多道路是屬于檳島市政局的，而基本上檳城的道路是分別由市政局、州政府及中央政府三方面所管理。
許子根是在李光耀向他提出以怡保的道路與檳州的道路做比較時，向李光耀作出上述解釋。
也是民政黨全國主席的許子根是在今午于依恩澳酒店會見李光耀，進行了約半小時的會談后，于記者會上如是指出。
許子根說，怡保是在由民聯政府執政一年，如今是由國陣政府執政。
他指出，不知李光耀所做比較的道路是哪一條路，但多數是地方政府所管轄，只是州回教堂路、蘇丹阿斯蘭沙路、峇都丁宜路及機場的道路是由中央政府所管轄。
另一方面，針對檳州首長林冠英所指出的檳州的基設仍處于落后一事，許子根認為，林冠英應該向中央政府相關的部門反映與提出要求。
I am simply speechless of the way he tackle feedbacks from Harry Lee, it was under Koh Tsu Khoon’s administration in the last 18 years that Penang lost all that it has when Lim Chong Eu was in power.
Shame Shame on Party Gerakan Rakyat Malaysia for having a president like such.
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Jun 14, 2009 @ 12:05:42
romerz,
good things must be shared, so feel free to use the tiltes or any other things…
Personally, I welcome any repostings of the comments here in your blog. I can’t answer for Clarence, or other commentators, but I am sure they would want their views to be read by as many as possible.
I am sure they would not mind having their comments reposted in your blog.
🙂
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Jun 14, 2009 @ 12:19:07
romerz, I am indeed honored to have my comments cross-posted in your blog.
I appreciate the generous feedback from you and all the commentators
here.
Thanks also to Dr Hsu for taking the lead in posting a compelling and poignant narrative that coincides with MM Lee Kuan Yew’s visit to Malaysia.
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Jun 14, 2009 @ 14:12:29
What clarence commented is indeed very true. Singapore is an envy to many of us, especially its efficiency in managing its economy and no nonsense attitude in many of its institutions. For a country without natural resources, such efficiency, which is crucial for its survival is understandable. Another examples are Japan, Israel, Switzerland and Hong Kong.
Malaysia, a country blessed with natural resources and enterprising people, by right, should be on par, if not better than Singapore, if our system in on right footing as what we see in Singapore. Many people told me, what is the use of they contributing their hard earned money as taxes to the government, and let these unscrupulous people to carry on with their way of managing the country, and at end of the days, not accountable to their evil deeds. Perhaps, these people are right in this, especially in a situation of high inflation and declining in money value. We are in fact have no extra money paying taxes to the government.
Should we tell them, enough is enough? I leave it to you to decide. In fact, we have told them this, just that …..sigh.
It is time they realised their mistake and not being jealous we praise a foreign statesman. We are no apple polishers.
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Jun 14, 2009 @ 18:22:34
What did I say about Huan. Reported in MI today.
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Gerakan vice president Huan Cheng Guan has decided to stick it out with the party despite his recent rift with other party leaders.
After weeks of speculation that ignited due to controversial appointments of branch coordinators particularly in the Machang Bubok divison, the Penang-based member of 18 years announced at a press conference that he remains a loyal party man.
“I have received over 1,000 SMS messages asking me to stay,” he told reporters at a press conference here today. 🙂
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Watch out Koh Tsu Koon. He is coming after you.
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Jun 14, 2009 @ 23:16:17
And now Huan will be be playing chicken with Gerakan’s CWC. Will the CWC sack him? I think the CWC will chicken out of the show cause wayang.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 00:37:21
Putting together the venerable LKY with KTK and his ‘entourage’ in the picture, we can see a grandfather is talking to the grandsons and literally the grandsons were finding baseless alibis to explain why they had botched up their duties and how they failed to perform above marks.
Not only Seremban, once a dead town, has been leading in terms of infra structures, but also Melaka, one will see how great different has been the China Town become much more a tourist attraction when even the many Taiwanese or Hongkies during the short transit, will only visit Melaka and skip Penang from their itinerary! This has been the hard fact not since yesterday but decades ago! What had KTK done to rectify the situation except blind! Yet he was high hailing about Penang being the most advance State and the least indebted to the Fed Government, a good boy who seldom asked for money and a good paymaster which contributed to the National coffer which almost became private Bank of the famous and corrupted BN big guns!
If Tun Lim could ask for the World’s 3rd longest bridge and KOMTAR developments from the Fed. funds, why couldn’t the shilly shally Umno stooge also learned how to negotiate the best deals for Penangites from his next door mentor?!
Who is KTK? Now only he behaves as if he’s the Penang taiko who had been stripped off his pants to tell Lim Guan Eng how to refer to the Fed filthy den for future developments for Penang when he KTK supposedly to have been done so decades ago?! He better goes and fly kites!
He’s finally confessed, he’s the betrayer of the State and we Penangites acknowledge and will know do our part in the next next GE, just to make sure that since he only befits to be a backdoor dog, he will stay that way in the same position and be a forever crouching dog in the dog house of BN!
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 01:21:48
I think the blame should be also on Lim Keng Yaik. He was the president of gerakan for so long. He had not assisted to develop gerakan. Koh Tsu Koon was actually just Lim Keng Yaik’s puppet.
How come everyone only blame KTK? LKY just hide behind ……..he is actually the puppet master.
Now, LKY is sending his son lim si pin out and he be the puppet master. I believe next thing will happen is LKY will find someone like Huan Cheng Guan, Mah Siew Keong, Chia Kwang Chye and Chang Ko Youn to finish off Koh Tsu Koon and gang. And the ultimate plan is to put his son, Lim Si Pin on the throne after all the fight!
Hope that all gerakan member can really see the true picture behind gerakan puppet & master battle and don’t fall trap into Huan Cheng Guan’s recent drama. It was just a beginning!
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 02:16:44
Penangites,
Lim Si Pin can’t even keep his hair in place, so forget about him being put as leader of Gerakan.
Gerakan is as good as PPP where KVS = KTK.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 09:50:57
penangites. you do have a point. But then Lim Si Pin is an insipid and uninspiring middle aged man. I guess, without his father, he is no where in Gerakan. I have several observations
1. LKY cannot be the puppet master unless he is controlling the purse string. One way of doing this is to have Gerakan “assets” in his name. Just like Samy Vellu. I wonder if there are people out there who can determine this. I was told many millions changed hands in licenses deal from the ministry where LKY was the minister. Did any of these money enter into Gerakan’s book.
2. Huan, particulaly him, is very ambitious politically. Will he put himself in danger to push Lim Si Pin up. Personally, I dont think so. I may be wrong, but most of the 2nd tier leaders inclduing THN want to have position but are not capable of fighting dirty. So they ride on KTK’s coattail – not that there is really one.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 10:51:55
Huan has no real grassroots. He scraped through the VP contest and almost lost to an unknown Malay candidate, coming third after Mah Siew Keong and Dr VJ. Those who subscribed to Gerakan ideology would not support him.
LKY’s brother is in control of the party assets and purse strings even to this day.
Who is the real power behind? The first person appointed to CC is LKG who is LKY’s brother and manages all the party finances and money.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 11:17:32
klm,
you read political games very well. But as i have suspected too, he is not the type to leave.
As for hwo the party should response , I have written some comments on this before. Let us wait and see how the CWC respondes.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 12:18:46
AGerakanmember. This is new info, at least to me, LKY’s brother is the deputy treasurer and the one holding the purse string. Of course.
A low profile deputy treasurer is probable the real power behind the throne. Out of sight but carry a big stick together with big brother.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 13:35:43
Just check the annual returns of Gerakan to ROS, in the accounting sheet, who are the ‘Trusties’ of the Party assets will be clear evidence of who are behind holding the purse string.
Why is LKY still holding tight to the position of being the adviser, is he more concerned about the Party development or the perks which derive from the multi-millions worth of assets?
Would it be one day, the Party assets become a private asset and the many goofy heads are still holding sway to the so-called ideology which had proven to be redundant in reality due to the subservient leaderships which instead of the lingo -change BN from inside, they had been changed totally inside out to become the credenza of BN?!
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 13:59:36
LKGuan also heads a company called “cempaka”, which manages the twin towers, BU 8 and other assets of the party.
How the finance is being run only the president knows. I do not think CC members like our doctor here knows anything about it.
Controlling the purse string controls everything.
LKG was also the former director of Telekom, after 308, that lucratic post have been given to other parties.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 14:37:56
Ah! Gerakan has fuzzy fudgy accounts that very few people know. At least the CC members have the right to know the accounts. I am surprised.
What are the govt “allocations” to Gerakan and how much go into individual pockets? How are these accounted. Dont it sound like MIC and Samy Vellu.
LKG – former director of Telekom. That meant he must have got some pretty large projects. How much for him and how much for Gerakan?
If the members of Gerakan have no clue as to how the party gets it money and how it is spend, then they are nothing but pawns. The people who control the money play the pawns in anyway they want.
Why would people want to be Gerakan members and just be pawns for the puppet masters.
Very enlightening!
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 15:19:54
klm,
although I am not privy to any financial discussion, and financial aspect has never been discussed in the many meetings that I have attended to, I do not think Gerakan has received any allocation from Government.
Developemnt allocation from government to the individual MPs and ADUNs , yes, as with all other MPs and ADuns..and that is for the MPs and Aduns to service their own kawasan, and that is between the government and the MPs .
I have in fact advocated that to be fair to all, as a true democracy., even the opposition MPs should be given the same development allowances, and my former state chairman who is now PKR CC member Dr Tan just laughed at me and said that I am political naive and politics is not about helping your opposition. ( I replied to him that I am not naive but just being idealistic and above partisan politics).
As grassroots members, we have to foot all our own actitivites from our own pockets. For example, if certain branches in KL needs to carry out certain activities using one of the auditorium of PGRM towers, we pay the same rate as the public.. to the company Cempaka.
Gerakan is quite unique in that it is independent financially, since the incomes from the twin PGRM towers and other assets are more than sufficient to cover the party’s needs.
The twin towers and other assets were free from mortgage and loans,(unlike MCA whose building loans almost brought the party to bankrupcy) and whatever rental accrued is money for the party.
Similarly, in KL, our state building was free from debt, and the buildings (2 adjoining 4-storey buildings) was donated by Alex Lee to the party in the 80s..
This is just to clarify that we are not like MIC or MCA.
That is why I have always of the opinion that we can survive on our own without BN, politically as well as financially. We should be truthful to our selves and fight as an independent force to achieve out aim of a fair and equal society.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 16:21:07
Dr. Hsu. These were trade offs, concessions for political compromises – that is why i use “allocation”.
These concession were meant for the various communities. It does not mean real allocation of govt funds. MCA had it, MIC had it. I am quite sure Gerakan had it. From what I heard, these were mostly makan by the party leaders. These stories were around for a long time.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 16:34:21
Let’s read what Huan Cheng Guan said in September 18 2008
http://www.guangming.com.my/node/33887?tid=3
“免四角戰分裂民政”‧范青淵不爭檳主席
* 要聞
* 北馬
* 地方
2008-09-18 19:13
（檳城）一再盛傳將在最後一分鐘退出競選民政黨檳州主席的范清淵，今日（週四，18日）從海外返檳後證實將退選。他說，為避免檳州民政黨的分裂及照顧黨的整體利益，他決定退出競選，這使到原本出現的四角戰，最後形成謝寬泰，丁福南及章志偉的3人之爭。
民政黨檳州母體改選及投票日落在本週日（21日）。
剛從香港回國的范清淵週四接受《光明日報》專訪時指出，黨的凝聚力及團結已經不堪一擊，為了黨的團結，他決定退出州主席之爭。
“我在台灣與香港這段期間，對州主席之爭，以及自已是否還要繼續競選，已經做了深思熟慮及全方位決定。所以我一回國後，就當機立斷向支持者公佈決定。”
退選非倉促決定
他補充，退選決定是經過一番很長時間思考，並不是一個倉促的決定。
他說，他已經向部分支持者匯報，支持者表示尊重及諒解他的決定。
他說，退出競選主席的決定，也是顧及整個黨的團結，他不希望四角戰的局面，導致整個檳州民政黨鬧分裂。
他指出，週四晚他還會與其他支持者見面，告訴支持者他退選的真實情況。
“雖然4人競選主席的選票已經印製好，但是我會逐一向支持者們表明，在投票當天勿把票投給我。”
子根說挺誰我就挺誰
范清淵強調，他手中掌握80票張鐵票，如果原任州主席丹斯里許子根博士要他支持誰，他就會把自己手中掌握的鐵票投給誰。
他說，許子根是他的老板，他只聽許子根一人說的話，只要許子根指示他怎麼做，他就會怎麼做。
“許子根所作出的決定才算數，其他人說的話都不算。”
他指出，如果許子根要他支持丁福南，他同樣會支持。同樣的若要他支持謝寬泰或章志偉，他同樣也會支持，一切以許子根馬首是瞻。
他表示，現在球已經踢向許子根的腳下，他要等待許子根的最後決定。
范清淵：我非任何人的棋子
范清淵也澄清，他不屬於任何派系。“我是我，他們是他們，我出來競選是個人的決定，不受任何人牽制，也不是任何人的棋子。”
他說，其實他自己對州主席之爭，一直以來都抱著認真的態度，絕對不存在任何玩票性質，或是其他人的棋子。
本來他還以為州主席是一對一直接對壘的戰役，卻沒有想到會是一場四角戰。
他說，如果是一場四角戰，對黨的團結就不是一個有利的發展，畢竟惡鬥將會使到檳州民政黨留下難以磨滅的“痕跡”。
I think Huan will get away scott free by the CWC because he got strong backing from UMNO, particularly Johari Baharom and the rest of Gerakan will have to kow tow to him …
as for THN, you just as good as KTK, instead of get mud thrown on your face by UMNO goons, you got your own ppl in the state to splash you with human feces
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 16:44:41
I think Gerakan must disclose its financial report to all its member.
Every year at NDC, i cannot see the financial statement. Worst still, no one even bother to ask for it.
CC members should all be accountable for all the financial things done to the party.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 16:52:19
klm,
are you sure that Lim Kheng Guan is the director of Telekom?
How can Lim Keng Yaik put his own brother in government agency? If true, than it is one of the worst kind of nepoticism lah!!!!
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 17:22:30
Dr Hsu,
don’t you think gerakan is like an old man club?
Slow to move and slow to reform?
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 20:17:52
a gerakan member . See below:
Dato’ Lim Kheng Guan was appointed to the Board of TM on 23 June 2000 and as a Senior Independent
Non-Executive Director on 27 July 2004. Re-designated Chairman of Audit Committee on 16/08/2007.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 20:38:11
Dr. Hsu. You sound a bit pissed with me. 😦
You have your point of view as a Gerakan loyalist. I have another point of view as a skeptical citizen.
(1) What happened to the allocation of the Telekom shares, TNB shares etc. Did it went to certain individuals or Gerakan? How did the proceeds went back to the communities.
There were no questions asked in the chinese communities. But this was big problem in MIC and Maika. They were blatant and greedy.
(2) Lim Kheng Guan was a director for a long time in Telekom. He looks qualified. But qualification would not keep him there for so long. What takes?
(3) did any one asked where the funds to put up Gerekan twin towers come from? If it was bank loan, wont Gerakan have the same problem as MCA. MCA had bigger ambition and took more loan than Gerakan.
(4) As for Alex Lee’s donation. I dont think it was all charity. His banking license was the Chinese allocation. I am not so charitable about his donation.
Pardon my skepticism. I just see evil spirits everywhere these days.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 20:40:20
One more thing. As for the cempaka company and branches paying full fare. I call this the AMWAY formula. AMWAY asked its agents to pay for everything, including order forms.
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 21:25:55
klm,
I am just giving a clarification. I am not a wee bit pissed off, 🙂
I was told that the money from twin towers came from donations from well wishes and members and sales of certain units (not all since some were kept for rental purposes) , just like the wawasan university, which was also funded by donations.
SOme of the new towers’ units were for sale, and many members as well as public bought the units and these units are now part of the Seri Cempaka hotel, which will give rentals to these buyers who let out their units to Seri Cempaka to manage . (I think many bought for investment because it guarannteed ? 8% return on investment, I am not sure how many since i did not buy any unit)).
Bank loans were not involved.
SOme of the old tower were sold too before the building process , eg the Overseas Restaurant bought their premise., the former citreon also bought their units and had resold to other . These are just examples.
The buildings, sale and management were all done through cempaka, and LKG did a better job than MCA for Gerakan did not have to take any bank loan for these buildings.
As for ALex Lee, he was the VP of the party and deputy minister when he donated the building to the party. He was also very rich then, his family controlled D&C bank, Roxy and so on… at the time he made the donation.. I did not know whether there was any trade off for his donation..
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Jun 15, 2009 @ 23:09:10
Dr Hsu,
please propose a resolution at this year NDC to ask the party to disclose its financial accounts.
It is also important to see who is holding the party’s asset.
If there is any irregularities, then Lim Keng Yaik and family must answer to gerakan and the police.
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Jun 16, 2009 @ 08:54:00
more on HCG … now he claimed he has the backing of Najib 😉
and somemore can come to kiss KTK’s palm altho i know he pretty well would love to his the latter’s backside
http://www.guangming.com.my/node/49943?tid=3
（吉隆坡）國陣後座議員俱樂部執行秘書范清淵，今日（週一，6月15日）在國會走廊與民政黨全國主席丹斯里許子根上演“親手”曖昧戲碼。許子根在進行記者會時，范清淵突然趨前，親吻許子根的右手背，然後交出一封解釋信。
許子根也是國會新鮮人，他首次以首相署部長身份在國會走廊召開記者會，就新加坡內閣資政李光耀早前指檳城建設落後，遠遜怡保及芙蓉的談話作出澄清，並指林冠英在匯報時沒有提供全面的資料，導致李光耀有這樣的誤解。
記者會進行中途，有記者問起民政黨基層挽留副主席范清淵的新進展時，許子根聲稱他必須等到范清淵提呈解釋信後，才交由中央工委會決定是否革除其黨職。
話才說完，范清淵就突然現身，手拿著一封信，邊走邊笑地說：“我要親你的手（ciumtangan）。我是來交信的。”然後就拿起許子根的右手，親了一下；兩人過後擺出移交及接收信函的甫士供攝記拍照。
范清淵還隨口說，信裡頭有支票；然後哈哈大笑。許子根聽後立刻當著媒體面前把信拆開，以證明信封裡只有信，沒有范清淵說的支票。
“你們看，有甚麼支票。他就是常常亂講話，才會有問題。”
范清淵是於5月29日不滿素來與他不咬弦的檳城州主席丁福南，在委任馬章武莫區州議席國陣協調員時沒有徵詢基層意見，擅自委任“天兵”陳帝銓，並恫言將於三週內率領20多個民政黨分部的逾千名黨員退黨抗議。
范清淵的恫言退黨言論因此招來民政黨中央工作委員會祭出黨紀，對他採取紀律行動，限他於14天內作出解釋。
另一方面，也是前任檳城州首席部長的許子根透露，民政黨將於近期內向人民作出交，解釋過去國陣執政檳州時曾經執行的基建計劃。
他說，怡保的機場比檳城小很多，而且檳城有港口，但怡保及芙蓉都沒有。他懷疑，目前的州政府在向李光耀作匯報時，並沒有給予完整且確實的訊息。
他聲稱，李光耀所認為基設不如怡保及芙蓉的言論，可能是指檳城的道路設施。
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Jun 16, 2009 @ 11:18:20
If only Gerakan to have many more of these kind of so-called leaders, whom they are good in performing charades, uncouthly pose themselves in front of the journalists’ cameras like they are clowns, mockery yet cheekily unabashed, there will be no tomorrow for this kind of Party for peoples to have trust on them! Only their master, UMNO will be greatly amused!………
The relics of Tun Lim’s ideology had been far bygone. There’s not an iota of principle nowadays prevail in this eunuch Party still called themselves ‘Gelakan’, sounds alike to Gerakan!
I don’t know how would Dr Hsu look at this disgusting picture of – a lackey kissing the poodle’s hand in a sassy and sardonic way, so disgusting and puke inviting like a lowly rated Punch and Judy show!
If only others may enjoy it as the opening clownish show of a circus, I am not a bit entertained except can feel all my goose pimples stand, stretching to the back, and expanding to the bottom part, my goolie bag!
Is this what the bozos of Gerakan claimed to be the ‘ideology’ or rather it’s ‘Eunucheology’ in actual fact, only those castrated eunuchs will treat it as a tradition for in house observance and obeisance! It’s utterly an insult to the founding fathers’ noble ideology indeed!
Should those members with sound minds pledge loyalty to these kinds of principle less eunuchs only good for licking the boots, and the goolie bags of their masters?!……..Sigh!
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Jun 16, 2009 @ 12:48:20
Dr Hsu,
it is disgusting to see some gerakan leader kissing the president hand……..it is like kissing the sultan hand.
I think i cannot eat lunch.
Do you think it is a sign that huan will now “kow tow” to president koh?
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Jun 16, 2009 @ 13:54:22
Whatever happening in Gerakan do not bother me a bit. You guys are just washing dirty linens in blogosphere and at the end of the day, nothing concrete will emerge ultimately. The only thing is going to change is who is who chairs in CWC and CC, who will become President of the party, bla, bla, bla. To your taiko Umno, you guys are just clowns because, to them, everything is ‘quota-ed’ and up to you guys to fight for these crumbs.
Will it be more beneficial to consider pulling out of BN, back to your ideology and offer yourselves as an alternative to the people at large? At least Ong Tee Keat has the gut to put up a poll to survey whether MCA should be out of BN.
MM Lee must be laughing at you guys. No wonder Penang has not developed much for the last 20 years under KTK of Gerakan. You guys are more interested in “who gets what”.
Sigh! 😦 , none of my business, anyway. Keep washing dirty linens, good luck.
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Jun 16, 2009 @ 23:25:09
MCA is financially quite lucrative now with party assets worth some RM1.6 billion, including Jalan Ampang headquarters, share ownership of Star Publications group, a university, radio station etc.
So it is understandable anyone would want the throne to rule the mosquito empire (compare to UMNO big brother).
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Jun 17, 2009 @ 11:05:11
If the estimate of MCA assets is 1.6B RM, I wonder how much had been walloped by the past leaders.
1. I was told Lee San Choon is one of China’s biggest fresh flower exporter. Where did his capital came from.
2. How much is Ling Liong Sik really worth. He does not appear in Forbes list and no one know.
3. Similarly, how much is Lim Keng Yaik really worth.
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Jun 17, 2009 @ 11:13:44
I am intrigued by the comment that HCG kissed KTK’s hand.
It is normal in Malay culture to kiss the hands of the elders and higher ranks as a mark of respect and obedience.
I am wondering why HCG would use the Malay practice rather than chines culture. Is it to signal to his supporters elsewhere that he still respect his party president. I am quite sure this is not done casually.
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Jun 17, 2009 @ 13:14:48
a gerakan member,
FYI, yesterday i did not take lunch. Had I taken, I would have vomited out.. 😦
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Jun 17, 2009 @ 16:03:10
Dr Hsu,
just imagine if Koh Tsu Koon just came out from toilet in a rush and forgot to wash hand just before the PC.
Arghhhh………….
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Jun 18, 2009 @ 08:13:46
a gerakan member,
no worries wut … HCG is kissing his own kind ma.
now let’s see what Gerakan CWC and CC is capable of.
a. HCG is let off scott free
b. suspended his membership for 1 year
c. KTK arrange a shake hand hug hug kiss kiss PC session between HCG and THN under the Satu Hati theme
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Jun 18, 2009 @ 15:35:48
I think it will be option c. And my 2 reasons are :
1. KTK dont like confronting hard issue. This give him a way out.
2. Face saving for Gerakan. Will say it it was misunderstanding between 2 “friends”. Then (a)
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Jun 19, 2009 @ 14:48:01
KTK will chicken out again. And just back out with the issue with his head down.
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Jun 19, 2009 @ 14:48:46
HUan Cheng Guan got the backing of Lim Keng Taik. KTK don’t even have the guts to talk to LKY!~
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Jun 22, 2009 @ 16:16:26
klm,
looks like HCG had enuf of LKY and KTK and THN …
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/106941
he indirectly hinting that someone in the party is trying to remove him to ensure that their sons and dotters can steer Gerakan in autopilot mode.
Interesting enuf … KTK still remain numb
指党内老人赶尽杀绝年轻领袖
范清渊：冻结党籍三年违党章
6月22日 上午11点46分
huan cheng guan gerakan penang pc event 150609 03因恫言退党而遭冻结党籍三年的民政党全国副主席范清渊（左图）今日做出惊人指控，声称他遭对付与党内有一批老人试图把拥有基层支持持的年轻领袖赶尽杀绝的阴谋有关。
“冻结三年的行动有效地阻止我在2011年竞选任何党职，以及在大选中竞选国会或州议席，摧毁我的政治前途。我相信，党内有一批老人试图把拥有基层支持的年轻领袖赶尽杀绝，为他们的太子和公主扫清障碍，无需付出即可接手掌管民政党。”
范清渊的矛头明显是指向前民政党全国主席林敬益的儿子，现任民政党青年团团长林时彬。林时彬曾非议范清渊利用媒体“作战”，公开促请国阵领导层对付该党槟州联委会主席丁福南，并呼吁范清渊及早退党，免得拖累党前途。然而范清渊却反呛林时彬，民政党不是“林氏父子”的天下，他没有资格说这句话。
民政党犹如其第二个“妻子”
范清渊今日在国会召开记者会时，也矢口否认他将会加盟民联的炽热传闻，但不排除将加盟其他的国阵成员党。
至于未来的计划如何，他斩钉截铁地说，就算遭党开除，本身也不会加入民联，但不排除加入国阵成员党的可能性。
“如果党真的要开除我，我需要先休息一段时间。我不会加入民联，不过可能加入国阵成员党。”
他说，民政党就犹如他的第二个“妻子”，即使被这名“妻子”抛弃，也不可能马上就寻找“新女友”。
范清渊今日在国会走廊受询时也透露，他将不会做出上诉。询及他的做法是否刻意要让党开除，他却辩称，“没这回事”。
不过他却谢谢许多中委对他的关心和支持，因为他们向他保证，若他在14天内向中委会提呈上诉信之后，将会仗义执言，维护正义，“我深信，由党代表选出的中委，必将维护正义，置党的利益于一切个人利益之上。”
槟17区部拒绝交年费力挺他
huan cheng guan gerakan penang pc event 150609 05他表示，本身早前恫言退党，只是因为那时槟州民政党出现许多问题。而槟州已有17个区部发表联合声明，拒绝在未来3年缴交年费，与他共进退。
他更炮轰该党中央工作委员会选择公开在媒体宣布这项冻结党籍决定，反映了一个邪恶的用意，企图刺激他用了很大努力才安抚下来的支持者，挑衅他们作出反击，制造他跟党直接对抗的事实。
“我对民政党中央工作委员会冻结我的党籍为期三年的决定深感遗憾。这肯定是一项仓促作出的决定，由一小撮自私自利的人士在推动，无视于党的整体利益，因此，根本就不愿意考虑民政党当今所面对的政治现实。”
“我呼吁支持者保持冷静，不要掉入一小撮自私自利人士所设下的陷阱。”
利益相关者观察员参与决定
范清渊也举出中央工作委员会做出冻结其党籍决定的过程仓促，在许多方面违反了党章。
他不满本身两次未受邀出席中央工作委员会会做自我辩解，但是一名利益相关人士以及另一名中央工作委员会观察员兼受邀出席人士，却获准在会议中对他展开攻击，并参与冻结其党籍的决定。不过范清渊并未在文告中点名这两者的身份。
teng hock nam据悉，有关的利益相关者是丁福南（左图），至于有关的观察员兼受邀出席人士则是民政党全国议长陈福荣。
“身为正式中央工作委员，我未受通知出席两次召开来讨论我的问题的中央工作委员会会议。相反的，一名利益相关人士，只是中央工作委员会的观察员和受邀出席人士，却获准在会议中对我展开攻击，并参与冻结我的党籍的决定。”
“我未获准在会议作自我辩解，另一名中央工作委员会的观察员或受邀出席人士却被允许在会议中建议把我开除出党。一名观察员，竟然可以试图开除由党代表选出来的副主席和正式委任的中央工作委员。”
中委投票证明非“一致决定”
他指出，虽然他及受委副主席谢宽泰，都没出席中委会会议，但有关的会议却以“一致议决”的方式冻结他党籍3年。党章规定，中央工作委员会的议决，必须依循consensus, 在华文和马来文的译本中，都清楚说明是“一致决定”，即“全体都一致同意”。
“ 我作为正式委员不获表达机会，何来一致决定？据悉，6月19日的中央工作委员会会议，一名观察员要把我要除出党，反对我的利益份子要冻结我三年，部份中央工作委员只要半年至一年，另一、两位则采取中庸之道，要两年。我被告知，其他的建议都在投票时被否决。投票明显证明不是“一致意见”，违反了党章的规定。 ”
党章指冻结令每6个月检讨
他强调，党章规定，冻结党籍以等待调查，并规定此类冻结得每六个月进行检讨，若不是更早被撒消的话。因此，根本就没有条文规定可以冻结党籍来作为惩罚，特别是高达3年。
范清渊也深感遗憾，他写给党主席和中央工作委员的解释信，竟然被一位受邀出席者，（他本来就无权参与中央工作委员会的决策），当成是我的罪名成立的证据，要强行通过把我开除出党的议决。
“他这么做的时候，根本就不让我有任何机会进行辩护。自然正义必须受到维护。因此，任何人不应该在未进行听证前受到惩罚。”
设公正调查团拒绝利益分子
“民政党号称维护社会正义，不应姑息玩弄手段迫害同志的文化。必须履行正义，及让所有人看到公正的履行。因此，中央工作委员会决定在未经任何公正调查情况下下冻结3年的重刑是荒唐的。”
范清渊强烈抗议有人企图剥夺党章赋予他的权利，“作为党员，我有受到公平合理对待的权利。中央工作委员会，必须成立以备受敬重的领袖，谢绝自私自利的利益分子，组成调查团作公正不阿的调查。那些要对付我的利益份子，是全部角色合集一身，是投诉者，也是警察，也是主控官，也是辩护律师，又同时是法官。这是不公平的”。
民政党犹如其第二个“妻子”
槟17区部拒绝交年费力挺他
中委投票证明非“一致决定”
设公正调查团拒绝利益分子
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