Documents of the alleged conversion

I wish to post here a few scanned documents regarding the alleged conversion of the Late Gan Eng Gor.

I urge the readers of this blog to go through these documents carefully and make your own conclusion, bearing in mind that the late Gan had been paralysed for 2 years as he had a severe stroke in 2006 according to the letter by the family which was published in an earlier post today. The conversion was alleged to have taken place on 3rd July 2007.

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A mechanism is needed to prevent conversion controversy

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40 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. hkengmacao
    Jan 28, 2008 @ 10:31:15

    Even the documents were not treated with dignity. No Commissioner for Oath, spelling error on Buddha and bla bla bla. This only show lack of professionalism and tidak apa attitude of authorities involved.

    Are you telling me Sharia and Civil Courts accepted such documents?

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  2. trashed
    Jan 28, 2008 @ 22:16:50

    With these flaws, why did the religious authorities even contemplate their actions ?

    Zeal should be tempered with rationality.

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  3. karpa
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 01:21:44

    his eldest son( a muslim) wants to prevent his father from entering “other heaven” by using questionable document, it is understandable since his religion require him to to do so. His son is twisted inside his mind.

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  5. hjfrenhg
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 08:47:58

    So all it takes for the Elder Son of a Gan is to press his sick daddy’s thumb against the space of the first document, with or without the old fellow’s consent and then fill up SOME of the particulars in the forms. Then hand up the forms and blimey, the family fortune is all his!

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  6. fengshui
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 11:10:24

    notice the writing on top form/cert is not consistent and different style ….
    compare the top part where the particulars and the one on the date alteration….. the number “7” are different, one without a stroke in d middle of “7”???

    when I saw the photo of Mr. Gan’s wife/widow crying when they took his body away, it nearly broke my heart …. it this how u treat your mother as a son??

    Remember this question when u see God…….

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  7. asd
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 11:31:46

    i wonder did they circumcise his father… imagine having part of your dick being slice off when you are lying on the bed unable to do anything…. lol

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  8. Zaidey
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 11:37:43

    Dear all,

    Sadly to say, me, as a Muslim, the entire process of the conversion is flawed. Conversion in any religion should be treated as full of dignity and honour.

    Now, the Religious Department should not taken the documents as binding because there is no proof of the deceased converting to Islam.

    In Islam, a Syahadah of a convert usually is performed in presence of witness, usually two, or more. Thus, if this “Shasaine Siau” really witness the late Gan’s Syahadah, then she will not have problem testifying in court.

    This matter could and should be brouht to court. There is too many discrepancies in the documents.This could be regarded as document forgery, and should not be treated lightly.

    May All the patience be with the family.

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  9. Sam Tam
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 11:43:00

    The Syariah court allegedly claimed that because the non Muslim family did not turn up for the hearing, the issue was ruled in favour of the Muslim “son”. That is certainly an unprofessional ruling. The least they could have don’t was to ascertain that the documents met the requirements.

    Considering an earlier case where the Muslim party had to admit that the conversion was not done correctly, this one cetainly looks like the elder Muslim “son” had figured a way to grab the old man’s assets.

    Is this what Islam teaches it’s followers??

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  10. Perumal Naidu
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:11:04

    sad!!!sad!!!sad!!! If religious affairs officers push non muslim harder to muslim court than they must prepare on tough question by the lawyers on their religion practice and also about their “nabi” at their own syhriah court, this is disaster in waiting. Better for all to go for civil court. The best judgement is by being practical, fairness & truth not by emotional.
    The leaders failed US!!!!. one side talk unity the side dividing policy. Non-muslim tolarated to much.

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  11. King Louie
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:17:24

    The thing to note is that the central issue here is not the greedy son.

    Individuals are weak.

    But when an institution, an organized bureaucratic body, condones this act and empowers it with the full powers of the state in confiscating a dead body, then it underscores a systemic rot deep within the system and the ideology that propels it.

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  12. fainessforall
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:17:52

    If a bank were to take legal action against a borrower and submit such documents, the case will probably be thrown out or judgement would definetly be in favour of the borrower. Seems shariah courts have no justice and they have idiots there who dont seem to know what they are doing. Its obvious that they have been going around converting people without their knowledge and that is why the documents are in such a mess.

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  13. 9to5
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:22:27

    It would be very interesting to question Shasainie Siau (bad meaning in hokkien) Abdullah in any court of law who had witnessed the alleged thumb print at the address stated when the senior Gan was not even there.

    The whole episode runs smacks of a hastily done con job. Is this the low standard of evidence accepted by the Syariah court or is the Syariah court an accomplice to the con job? How can such a court with a low credibility be an official court in Malaysia? It’s a laughing stock of the world!

    It is no wonder that a Syariah court judge supposedly beyond material things is caught red handed with accepting bribes recently.

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  14. cruzeiro
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:36:41

    Speaks volume about the credibility of the Syaria system/ courts that many religious zealots wanna defend!

    And PAS is quiet about this …. so much for the wise clerics!

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  15. edzera
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:47:02

    the stupid syariah and religious authorities are giving islam a bad name with their actions. Clearly the eldest son has an ulterior motive apart from believing that he is going to heaven. He may want the asset of the deceased to be under syariah where he will be the sole beneficiary. nobody will do this to their family except for monetary gain.

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  16. Taikohtai
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 12:55:46

    Its quite obvious that the process is flawed but what’s really appalling is that the Syariah court ruled in favour of the ‘conversion’.
    I somehow believe that if a religion can so easily be hijacked, such religion may border on being a cult. Surely the keepers of the Islamic faith need to examine their protocols further before committing their ideals onto others. Otherwise, they are a long long way from civilisation as we know it.

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  17. Ibrahim mahdi Phee
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 13:05:13

    It appears to me thqat the Shahadah (proclaimation of faith) has not be validly effected, as there is only one witness. I personally cannot see how the ‘conversion’ could have been upheld. The presumption, I would have thought, must be that in the absence of proof that a person has knowingly converted to Islam; is that no valid conversion has indeed taken place. Any syariah lawyers out there who wish to comment?

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  18. Ganesh Raj
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 15:39:33

    Malaysian non-Muslims, are you going to take this sitting down, and do nothing about it?

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  19. monsterball
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 16:44:34

    By doing this….does UMNO really think they are protecting the religion?
    What is being exposed is…..showing UMNO does not practice freedom of religion for the Malays…period!!

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  20. the truth
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 16:50:56

    The real face of ‘Islam hadhari.’
    The devil is amongst us.

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  21. panca
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 17:34:12

    This is a very serious crime, if proven, to falsify documents, to body-snatch, to cheat/steal property. Legal action must also be taken against the religious authority that took away the body.

    It must be thoroughly investigated if there were wrong-doings. The muslim authority must show undisputed documents and other credible proofs to show deceased was a muslim, he is of his own religion until he is proven a muslim. The above documents have raised reasonable doubts.

    This will be mockery of the law to allow lies to cheat, steal, rob and even convert murder to look like suicide. The elder son must be hauled up for a full and open investigation to prove his claim whose words are also the action of religious authority has taken, making them look like a team(hand in hand) of people of high-handed fanatics.

    The process law must be allowed to take place. and there is no substitute for law and order without the process of common law, fair and just.

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  22. Kaypee
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 18:08:17

    God bless Malaysia

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  23. Rajaretnam A/L Nadason
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 18:39:19

    Any judge worth his salt can see the unprofessional way the documents have been prepared and throw out the case. But in this case the Syariah Judge has used his personal feelings and his lack of knowledge as a Judge obviously, to rule for the inefficient department. I will be shy to be working in a department that cannot even get basic documents right. A classic case to ponder for the non-muslims going to the polls shortly.

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  24. astro
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 20:59:03

    Seems very convenient that another Chinese covert to attest to the conversion. – brothers to the cause?!
    I would have expected an august body such as the shyria to have exercised more diligence, caution and care in processing conversion applications, especially in light of all the abuses and bad publicity

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  25. VJ
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 22:25:30

    it’s not Gan whom paralysed but the judiciary integrity . Blame TDM whom gave equal power to Syariah courts compared to Civil courts.
    I’m very interested to know what MCA had spoken about this issue ? Another “mandor” in BN ?

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  26. Sharing
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 23:48:09

    Men without Heart & Souls
    So system without Rights or Wrong!
    Or, no system at all!

    Laws mean no Law!
    Judge flip-flop around Law!
    Only thing remains!
    Victim with grievances in the air!
    no matter how hard any Victim screams or yells until air or sound exhausted?

    What had happened took many steps and hands to go!
    Those many steps and hands are evils with many loopholes any reasonable man has no difficulties to confirm!
    Staffs, Officers, Judges are blind?
    All their hearts and souls had gone?
    Then, many Malaysian had sold their hearts & Souls!!
    At the end, a country of Ghosts??

    Don’t forget this is only one kind of grievances done by People with hearts and souls sold!!
    By Officers ignoring and manipulating the Laws!
    By Judiciary System flip-flopping the Laws!
    At the end, a society of NO Law or Out-laws!

    MCA supposingly for Chinese
    MIC for Indians
    UNMO for Malay!
    Anyone really care for any one of their races?
    Even after death, they still cannot escape the TORTURE OF their Machai!!

    May be we can only wish the TORTURED SPIRIT to revenge!!
    Then, it is a country or What??

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  27. CL
    Jan 29, 2008 @ 23:53:58

    Documents are flaws as pointed out. It shows the ugly side of those trying to perpetrate Theocratic rules in this country. They will go to all length no matter how low down in “human moral gauge” to forge, to rob, to steal and to kill to achieve their evil aim.

    The Syariah fiasco today was created by Mahathir when amendment were made to article 121 in late 80s. Now we all had to suffer the conflict of interest in our justice system. The amendment elevated Syariah house to be as powerful as Civil court, and most of judges in Civil house are Muslim anyway (Thanks to NEP) Other religion do not stand much of hope for favorable judgment.

    The sad thing is our Muslim friend they will suffer most when Syariah comes in full force under the mercy of theocratic institution with its thugs. Other races probably will migrate anyway due to their inherit competitiveness without affirmative action like NEP.

    If you do not believe me, try ask why few wants to migrate to Saudi or Iran or Libya or Iraq, but everyone wants to goto Europe ,Australia and US .

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  28. Food for thought
    Jan 30, 2008 @ 00:54:59

    Looking at the over-whelming flaws in the documents here makes one wonder how credible is the syariah court in Malaysia as opposed to cases in the civil courts that takes years to pass judgement.
    It seems that those entrusted to uphold Islam in Malaysia in Perkim, Pejabat Ugama, the syariah court and the BN government is making a mockery out of the religion. Isn’t religion supposed to make people a better person? Then again, this kind of ruling can only happen in the Malaysian syariah courts..again and again. What a shame!
    To the Gan family, my deepest condelences and may God bless the soul of the late Gan Eng Gor.

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  29. karpa
    Jan 30, 2008 @ 02:57:33

    Forced conversion of non-muslim corpses into islamic faith, quite a smack idea ! Is it what pak lah means Malaysia is a multi-religions country? ha ha , may be he want to see Malaysia turn into islamic state during his reign of power in the country.

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  30. trashed
    Jan 30, 2008 @ 06:08:54

    Perhaps Malaysians can use this case to press for a constitutional change of Artcle 121 ?

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  31. Bob
    Jan 30, 2008 @ 09:42:07

    MONEY. Now the estate of the late Mr.Gan will be shared between the son & the state.

    MONEY is the root of all evil.

    MONEY lubricates the way…

    MONEY is the son’s God, not the religion he embraced.

    He embarrassed the religion that the embraced, but this blasphemous act has been overlooked…

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  32. NoName2000
    Jan 30, 2008 @ 10:35:10

    How to judge if your religion is TRUE or FALSE?

    Here and now, if the religion bring peace and happiness to the person, family, neighbour, country and the rest of human community in this planet with human diverse culture and belief.Then this religion is a TRUE religion.

    Here and now, If the religion bring havoc and unhappiness to the person, family, neighbour, country and the rest of human community in this planet in it diverse culture and belief. Then this religion is a FALSE religion.

    It did not makesense for a God, which claimed to be a loving and compasionate God to preach hatred toward it own creation. Unless it is the Satan who is pretending as God. Are any of u unknowingly worship Satan?

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  33. NoName2000
    Jan 30, 2008 @ 10:53:15

    TRUE religion will asked it follower to countered INSULT with word and reason.
    TRUE God will asked it follower to treat all human with it diversity in belief system (which is also God own creation) with love, compasion & equality.

    FALSE religion will asked it follower to countered INSULT with violent, sword and bomb.
    FALSE God will asked it follower to treat another human with different belief system (which is also God own creation) with hate & UNequality. Only SATAN will did this as SATAN hate God and it creation.

    U actualy worship God or worship Satan? Just use the above criteria, then u will know the asnwer.

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  34. steven
    Jan 31, 2008 @ 09:43:12

    syariah court rule in favor of non-muslim? keep on dreaming, Malaysians. Your rights are being stolen by the faulty system in placed by your government.

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  35. jeff
    Feb 01, 2008 @ 03:20:40

    muslim going all out to convert every non-muslim Malaysians is nothing new, even the decease has to put up with their twisted way of religious supremacy.
    look around middle east, my fellow Malaysians, the fact is there for you all to see.

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  36. ahpeng
    Feb 03, 2008 @ 11:42:23

    what can we non muslim Malaysians do? nothing ..just cry and get angry, but what else can minority do, sit down and watch….too powerless to defend one own love one’s religion.

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  38. jeff
    Feb 04, 2008 @ 03:26:58

    My dear fellow Malaysians, why you think BN letting in so many middle east and chinese muslims into our country so easily, without proper document and visa upon their arrival? Trying to quicken the process of “islamisation” of this multi-racial and religious country.

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  39. humbleforest
    Feb 11, 2008 @ 02:06:15

    In dealing with people, courtesy must be observed. Never fall back on ceremony for only with courtesy that harmony is seen.
    Learn to love all as brothers and sisters and no differences.
    One must learn not to use force against force. By using gentleness one may lead in the struggle
    against the force.
    Seek not revenge for this is the root of evil.
    A mind that is calm sees things with a better view.

    In this World of upheaval, everyone wishes to
    show their might. It is the abuse of power that
    causes conflicts, controversies, fightings and wars.
    The innocents and the blind followers are then
    deluded and dragged into this web of sufferings.

    The Supreme Lord is known by many names.
    HE appears as a human, light, inspiration
    and in dreams.
    To the ancients, to the illiterates and intellectuals
    HE has taught,
    Different ways and different means to help man find salvation.
    But many still do not believe
    In the end one suffers through one’s own
    retribution or karma.
    Retribution is the proof of reincarnation.
    Reincarnation is the proof of retribution.

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  40. mikewang
    Feb 11, 2008 @ 09:09:02

    Has the court verified that the thumb print is indeed the old man’s since the family members claimed at the date of the alleged conversion, the father was at a different address ?

    The son could be charged for forgery and cheat and Shasaine Siau be charged for abetting the crime (or be discipline for negligence).

    Cannot understand how the Syariah court can be so sloppy !

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